Gay Marriage

[Zaraki]

Originally Posted by hsb39

There are some parts that I find to be BS as well, particularly the Job bit and natural disasters.

But the part that explains at least half of it is human free will. The Bible says that we were given it, meaning that evil people can do what we want. While God (assuming that It exists) could make a perfect world, it would be better otherwise as we all would just be mind slaves, the imperfect world with free will is better than a perfect world without it.

@Zaraki: I'll try to generally cover your points.

Saying that marriage is all about reproduction would imply that infertile people should not get married, also remember about adoption. And I think that currently the world does not need to reproduce that much, it says that they were meant to reproduce together, but it does not say that man and man and woman and woman could not be together. And if you want to say otherwise, first read the link that I put up earlier in the thread going over the six Bible verses that actually "adress" homosexuality.

Many of those verses say things that are bad about divorce, that it shouldn't be allowed. I need to know if you think that divorce is a sin before I continue on that point.

On to the disease point. There is actually only slightly more risk of disease which is irrelavent now due to condoms. Also, this (along with many of the other verses) would also condemn non-conventional sex between heterosexual couples, yet again, I need to get your opinion on this.

To go back to the discussion, religious points should still be moot. I can (sort of) understand churches not allowing gay marriages, but I don't get why gay people of other religions should be disallowed of something because of something that they don't believe in. Bringing back separation of church and state here.

To bring a new point in, gay marriage would actually lower the rate of gay sex (ask any married person), and increase the rate of safe gay sex.

honestly i don't believe it divorce should be a sin. that could of been a catholic translation or they added that. my friend who sent me those versus is catholic. catholics frown upon divorce and have a different word for it. honestly if a man and a woman or gay couples don't love each other and all they do is fight then they should. on the other hand if you knocked up your girl friend you should marry her and do the right thing. we know there are a lot of dead beat dads out there who want to get away from it. even if you don't marry her be there for your kid and help support them.

now you second question confuses me. if you can make it easier for me to understand what you are saying there then thank...i'm sorry i just got home from school and i took a few tests so yeah i'm running a bit slow. if your saying if you are married and use a condom is that considered to be bad then of course not at least it shouldn't i mean if you aren't ready to have a child yet then by all means use a condom. now you know you can still pass a STD or HIV even though you are wearing a condom right?

Originally Posted by lee matsu

ok ok ..dis is not fucken funny but since your an ..staff guy or herman doesn't mean to ride on me ..second you delete my post cus you say ..i make no sense ......dis website sux cus people like you man ..u fagots jus want to hear what u like an delete what u don't ..... ..(s*gh)

if that was honestly true then my comments against gay marriage would be deleted. if you say something that dumb or doesn't have anything to do w/ the topic it should be deleted. i'm a admin myself and i do it when i need to.

[Nightmare]

you have a point (both of them) But... well I've never read the bible. So enlighten me because as far as I know the bible never explicitly says, gay marriage is bad. Then again as I have said I've never really read the bible.

[Lince]

While debating is good and all, just remember it all comes down to the government. xD
You could be the extremest of the extremists and if the head honchos disagree it wouldn't matter very much at all.
Alrighty, continue to voice your opinions, this is interesting. :p

[Nightmare]

Indeed it is... so any way I think that gay not gay it doesn't matter it's all personal preference.

[hsb39]

Originally Posted by Zaraki

honestly i don't believe it divorce should be a sin. that could of been a catholic translation or they added that. my friend who sent me those versus is catholic. catholics frown upon divorce and have a different word for it. honestly if a man and a woman or gay couples don't love each other and all they do is fight then they should. on the other hand if you knocked up your girl friend you should marry her and do the right thing. we know there are a lot of dead beat dads out there who want to get away from it. even if you don't marry her be there for your kid and help support them.

You said that that is probably a Catholic translation or it was added, that is incredibly more likely in the case of homosexuality. The verses that reference it a far more vague and there are less of them.

Also, I don't think that having a pregnant girlfriend is reason to marry her, I think that the appropriate action there is to see what the girfriend wants to do (be that keeping the baby, abortion, adoption etc.) and support her. But saying that someone should only marry on the basis of children is degrading marriage far more than gay marriage would.

now you second question confuses me. if you can make it easier for me to understand what you are saying there then thank...i'm sorry i just got home from school and i took a few tests so yeah i'm running a bit slow. if your saying if you are married and use a condom is that considered to be bad then of course not at least it shouldn't i mean if you aren't ready to have a child yet then by all means use a condom. now you know you can still pass a STD or HIV even though you are wearing a condom right?

My question was mainly on whether you thought that strait couples should be able to have non-conventional sex.


if that was honestly true then my comments against gay marriage would be deleted. if you say something that dumb or doesn't have anything to do w/ the topic it should be deleted. i'm a admin myself and i do it when i need to.

I do find that this site does delete quite a lot of comments, I am on quite a lot of forums, and this is even close to smogon (the most elitist site on the internet).

[Zaraki]

Originally Posted by hsb39

I do find that this site does delete quite a lot of comments, I am on quite a lot of forums, and this is even close to smogon (the most elitist site on the internet).

i'm not on that much to notice so i'll take your word on that. to the knocking up you g/f comment i see what you are saying, but if you g/f does decide to have the kid then you as the father should do the right thing. that was the point i was trying to make which i'm sure you got.

to you other question then i don't see anything wrong w/ it.

[Nightmare]

I'm pretty much neuter on the matter. But I think that a striate couple shouldn't dis gay couples then go doing it *cough cough* "that way" because in a sense it's hypocritical.

[Zaraki]

Originally Posted by Nightmare

you have a point (both of them) But... well I've never read the bible. So enlighten me because as far as I know the bible never explicitly says, gay marriage is bad. Then again as I have said I've never really read the bible.

the first verse i posted pretty much said it's supposed to be between a man and a woman. really those versus doesn't say anything about it. for some reason my mind keeps saying it falls under adultery which my gut is saying it isn't. i'll have to talk to my youth pastor on where it says it. i know there is a verse that says it is but i don't remember where.

to your other comment i missed about why can't a man be a wife. well right there in the first verse it says that.

[Nightmare]

adultery? I don't think it dose. adultery is when a man/woman is marred and he/she has sex with some one other than there spouse or with someone that . I suppose it's possible for gay sex to be adultery... but it's not in it's self.

[Zaraki]

Originally Posted by Nightmare

adultery? I don't think it dose. adultery is when a man/woman is marred and he/she has sex with some one other than there spouse or with someone that . I suppose it's possible for gay sex to be adultery... but it's not in it's self.

yeah i know.