Diesm or Naturalism

[Koopaking]

I have thought about this for a while... and I suppose I would fall into more of the Naturalism category. I don't believe in a god or divine creator... I do believe that science can do a pretty damn good job of explaining a lot of things that are attributed to a divine creator, but only as much as we can work it out to explain.

The way I see it, we are here. We were somehow created, we are somehow alive, we can somehow feel emotion and live our lives. And I like to leave it at that. The problem with humans is that they have a need to explain EVERYTHING. Can't logically explain something? Make up something. Humans just find it horribly difficult to say "This is just the way things are, and I can't really explain it" and just leave it.

Take note that both religion and science are ideas devised by man to try and explain things they didn't understand, so who knows, they could both be wrong. Although I am sort of meh about the existence of a god, I am much opposed to the structure of religion, which extends beyond "where did we come from" and tries to force ways of life and behavior on you. People like to have something to believe in, be it religion or science, but the problem with a lot of religious types is that they cannot keep their beliefs to themselves and try and force it on others. I could explain many other grievances of that nature, but perhaps another time.

"Where did we come from?"
"Where do we go when we die?"
"How did this get the way it was?"

I say: Does it matter how it got there? Does it matter how it is the way it is? Think about it. Centuries ago, people had no idea what gravity was. Then a guy named Isaac Newton explained all about physics. Did that change the way gravity worked? Nooo, it was the same it had always been. Say one day we invent some time machine and we go back and discover exactly how the universe was created. Good job. What will come out of it? Not much but just the smugness that we now know.

So I guess when it comes down to it, I really don't give a crap about how we got here or where we go after we die. I am going to live as I please, and enjoy my life.

Originally Posted by leerock89

Or do you believe in nothing but yourself and what you can do?

This what I believe. I sometimes think about existence and whatnot, but I honestly have better things I can do rather then dwell on something that will most likely never be proved or disproved within the indefinite future.

[a2ng0d]

Originally Posted by Russkie

God may not have physicaly concieved you, but he created man, and what man makes, God receives credit as well. If you happen to save the life of a doctor who specialized in, say, open heart surgery. Then from that moment forward, you technicaly receive some credit for his good deeds.

Now, God being the good guy here, you might bring up the argument that there are alot of bad people out there who do alot of bad things. Does God receive the bad credit? No, and the answer for that is simple. God is perfect, he cannot make a mistake, God is not evil, and God CAN NOT do evil things.

However, there is this one guy who happens to be a total jerk that you may have heard of. He doesnt like you, me, or any living thing with a physical body. One of his most common names is Satan, and he is here to disrupt your life and cause you pain. The evil in this world comes from one, and only one source, and that source is the adversary.

Again, the credit of the accomplishments you make in this life will also be given to God. God wants you to do great things, because he loves you.

Why, I never thought I'd ever see the combination of 'Great, You, and Love' in the same post by you, Russkie. ^_^

[quietchat]

I would have to be a Methodical Naturalist. I have some pretty strange views, for example I believe in spirits and the presence of souls, yet not an all powerful being. I also reject the idea, that the only reason that peace exists in the world is because of universal law by a creator. Rather, I feel the concept of god is mearly a way to convince people that there is a reward and punishment for what you have done in life. If you are able to commit an act of generosity or of pain, then you demonstrate free thinking without the leash of god around your neck, guiding your actions.

[analogZero]

well I suppose I'd fall under the category of methodical naturalist. In a way I see the existence of a great power such as a god in the natural elements of life. As much as there is in the universe or there beyond and as little as we know it only seems right to give credit that there's something greater beyond our sight, but we've advanced quite far and I only see prospect in everything that exists. The mysteries that constantly unravel are filled with possibility and intrigue, and lead us further into our search. I sometimes see our quest for knowledge as a search for god. A means of becoming god's equal in it's omniscience. We try to break the universe apart and qualify it in odd and unusual ways with string theory and quantum theory and the likes, but the composition of an entire universe seems as something of a god itself. That which exists is, and always will be a greater entity filled with far more knowledge than anything else. It bears all the processes of a science and all the mystery of a deity. I don't really see why people make such drastic separations.

[AyumiBee]

I don't believe in God I believe in Nature. I think there are supernatural things (maybe they were created by an other more intelligent beings). I was always wondering about Man in Blacks last picture when the camera zooms out of the Earth and you can see a univers and after that a big hand what is playing with the small balls (the planets and the universe). Sometimes I think that what if I'm a doll and something is making my movements? And it's not me...

[jamjfly]

Diesm. Plain and simple. I could go into greater detail, but I don't think people would read it even if I did.