VP - Page 3

**Zaraki** · 09-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Dolly

It's a bit of a headache how much you're trying to victimize the Republicans, here. Please don't start on going low, it's not as if the media isn't practically "swimming" In Obama gossip.

"Obama: High-income taxpayers would pay more in taxes, while everyone else's tax bill would be reduced. Those who benefit the most - in terms of reducing their taxes as a percentage of after-tax income - are in the lowest income groups.

Under both plans, all American taxpayers could pay a price for their tax cuts: a bigger deficit. The Tax Policy Center estimates that over 10 years, McCain's tax proposals could increase the national debt by as much as $4.5 trillion with interest, while Obama's could add as much as $3.3 trillion."

i'm not they are picking on Palin that is low b/c she is a republican and she's actually on a ticket.. like i said before Obama will raise taxes on everything he will raise it on the middle class. McCain will cut taxes. So what if it also helps the rich most of them have worked their butts off to gain their money some of inherited. my both my grandfathers are wealthy one keeps his money in the bank while the other one does buy stuff but both of them give it to charity....point is the wealthy even with a tax increase can still pay it off while the middle and lower class can't. why do you want someone who will put health care into the governments hands? why do you want Obama to be president when he has said about the current Georgia vs Russia conflict that both sides are at fault when Russia started this mess. we are winning the war in iraq and obama wants our country to stick it's tail in between it's legs and back off before the job can be finish, and why the hell do you want him to be president when him and his running mate hasn't had any experience. now riddle me this what has obama and his running mate biden ever done instead of writing memiors however you spell it? also i have heard more people picking on Palin more than Obama. and whoever replies better answer my question b/c i really like to know. if you can't that just proves my point no one doesn't know.

**analogZero** · 09-05-2008

I'm not going to write much here, as I don't follow drama too enthusiastically, but to put it short about Palin, she's a big fish in a small pond. She was mayor of a 7000 person town (big fn whoop), governor of alaska (again, not too fancy), and has a downright average personal life that everyone's pried into and spilt on the floor. When you write everything she's done down on paper, ya it looks long and interesting, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to the giant leap she's going to have to make if she becomes a VP.
she's a very good decoy to garner votes. period.

Obama's alright, and the best I can say in defense of his track record is that he does have one, it spans years through the senate in illinois (rather impressive), and his 'writings' are for the benefit of the people of your country and not that of the advancement of his career. I notice that type of movement moreso from your republican candidates....
plus mccain is a crazy old man.
end communication.

**Dolly** · 09-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Zaraki

i'm not they are picking on Palin that is low b/c she is a republican and she's actually on a ticket.. like i said before Obama will raise taxes on everything he will raise it on the middle class. McCain will cut taxes. So what if it also helps the rich most of them have worked their butts off to gain their money some of inherited. my both my grandfathers are wealthy one keeps his money in the bank while the other one does buy stuff but both of them give it to charity....point is the wealthy even with a tax increase can still pay it off while the middle and lower class can't. why do you want someone who will put health care into the governments hands? why do you want Obama to be president when he has said about the current Georgia vs Russia conflict that both sides are at fault when Russia started this mess. we are winning the war in iraq and obama wants our country to stick it's tail in between it's legs and back off before the job can be finish, and why the hell do you want him to be president when him and his running mate hasn't had any experience. now riddle me this what has obama and his running mate biden ever done instead of writing memiors however you spell it? also i have heard more people picking on Palin more than Obama. and whoever replies better answer my question b/c i really like to know. if you can't that just proves my point no one doesn't know.

Look, if you're going to emotionalize your entire argument, I would begin to doubt bothering with you.

Your grandfathers are wealthy men who give to charity. Alright, so by your logic, "all" of the upper class are just like them and do their part for society. And if you mean that they aren't, you're saying your grandparents and the fraction of others are good enough for the U.S. as a whole.

You keep shouting about Obama raising taxes on the middle class when I've already given information that he isn't. I guess I have to throw more at you.

"Under his plan - which would be the largest tax hike in at least a decade - the 6.2 percent payroll tax would be applied to the entire income of workers making $250,000 or more a year."

Honestly, if I'm telling you one thing from all of these sources and you just close your eyes and yell, there's not really anything I can do. So please, if you insist on spreading immature lies, I won't bother.

**Zaraki** · 09-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Dolly

Look, if you're going to emotionalize your entire argument, I would begin to doubt bothering with you.

Your grandfathers are wealthy men who give to charity. Alright, so by your logic, "all" of the upper class are just like them and do their part for society. And if you mean that they aren't, you're saying your grandparents and the fraction of others are good enough for the U.S. as a whole.

You keep shouting about Obama raising taxes on the middle class when I've already given information that he isn't. I guess I have to throw more at you.

"Under his plan - which would be the largest tax hike in at least a decade - the 6.2 percent payroll tax would be applied to the entire income of workers making $250,000 or more a year."

Honestly, if I'm telling you one thing from all of these sources and you just close your eyes and yell, there's not really anything I can do. So please, if you insist on spreading immature lies, I won't bother.

alright but you never answered my question dolly what has he done as a senator?....no i wasn't implying that all the wealthy gives their money to charity some do some don't. call 700 WLW and talk to will cunningham if you want facts that guy has a lot of them. one more thing you imply i'm sitting at my keyboard ferouciously typing your so called lies. well i'm sorry to disappoint.

John McCain believes we must make a farsighted, robust, and fervent commitment to innovation and new technologies to sustain our global competitiveness, meet our national security challenges, achieve less costly and more effective health care, reduce dangerous dependence on foreign sources of oil, and raise the quality of education in the United States. John McCain has been a leader in keeping the Internet free of taxes. As President, he will seek a permanent ban on taxes that threaten this engine of economic growth and prosperity.

Cut The Corporate Tax Rate From 35 To 25 Percent

Will keep the top tax rate at 35 percent, maintain the 15 percent rates on dividends and capital gains, and phase-out the Alternative Minimum Tax. Small businesses are the heart of job growth; raising taxes on them hurts every worker.

"In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their careers. And then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to promote change."

--Sarah Palin

http://www.newsweek.com/id/156246

and analog "gov. Palin has spent two years as a reformist, getting rid of corruption, stopping earmarks, stopping the bridge to nowhere.....while sen. obama has spent two years in the senate running for president".

**Dolly** · 09-05-2008

[QUOTE=Zaraki;79666] like i said before Obama will raise taxes on everything he will raise it on the middle class.QUOTE]

"one more thing you imply i'm sitting at my keyboard ferouciously typing your so called lies. well i'm sorry to disappoint."

I never implied you were "ferociously typing" as a note. But it's right true that it's a lie when you say that Obama is raising taxes on the middle class.

But getting to your question, what has he done as a senator?

"According to the Illinois archive papers.
He's brought the republican and democrats
together on many issues.
The commercial airing here in California. Have
Republicans speaking out for him.
He's provided health care. He's aided in cleaning up
the ghetto's and slum area's of Illinois. Up until the fall
of the real estate market. He for years donated his time
to poor people legally and not just
minorities, he aided Caucasians also. This is why he
was elected. He appealed to all races in that State."

"-Obama passed legislation with Republican Senator Jim Talent to give gas stations a tax credit for installing E85 ethanol refueling pumps. The tax credit covers 30 percent of the costs of switching one or more traditional petroleum pumps to E85, which is an 85 percent ethanol/15 percent gasoline blend."

"-After a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, Senator Obama worked with law enforcement officials to require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases."

"-His first law was passed with Republican Tom Coburn, a measure to rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars is spent."

"-Obama created the Illinois Earned Income Tax Credit for low-income working families in 2000 and successfully sponsored a measure to make the credit permanent in 2003. The law offered about $105 million in tax relief over three years."

I could go on...Please understand both sides of the coin, you're obviously not an idiot.

**Zaraki** · 09-06-2008

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Originally Posted by Zaraki

like i said before Obama will raise taxes on everything he will raise it on the middle class.QUOTE]

"one more thing you imply i'm sitting at my keyboard ferouciously typing your so called lies. well i'm sorry to disappoint."

I never implied you were "ferociously typing" as a note. But it's right true that it's a lie when you say that Obama is raising taxes on the middle class.

But getting to your question, what has he done as a senator?

"According to the Illinois archive papers.
He's brought the republican and democrats
together on many issues.
The commercial airing here in California. Have
Republicans speaking out for him.
He's provided health care. He's aided in cleaning up
the ghetto's and slum area's of Illinois. Up until the fall
of the real estate market. He for years donated his time
to poor people legally and not just
minorities, he aided Caucasians also. This is why he
was elected. He appealed to all races in that State."

"-Obama passed legislation with Republican Senator Jim Talent to give gas stations a tax credit for installing E85 ethanol refueling pumps. The tax credit covers 30 percent of the costs of switching one or more traditional petroleum pumps to E85, which is an 85 percent ethanol/15 percent gasoline blend."

"-After a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, Senator Obama worked with law enforcement officials to require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases."

"-His first law was passed with Republican Tom Coburn, a measure to rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars is spent."

"-Obama created the Illinois Earned Income Tax Credit for low-income working families in 2000 and successfully sponsored a measure to make the credit permanent in 2003. The law offered about $105 million in tax relief over three years."

I could go on...Please understand both sides of the coin, you're obviously not an idiot.

thank you for answering that question so far you are the only one i know that has actually answered with what he has actually done. yeah i do understand both sides of the coin....anyways we both believe in our candidates and i/k that he will raise taxes on everything and everyone and you know he'll only do it to the rich...doesn't matter what we say to each other we can't convince who's right and who's wrong. if you were old enough to vote you are actually voting for what he has done and not voting for him b/c he's saying change change change like how i know some of my democrat friends are voting for him because of that reason. anyways i'm switching internet providers so i won't be back for a few days.

**Dolly** · 09-06-2008

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Originally Posted by Dolly

thank you for answering that question so far you are the only one i know that has actually answered with what he has actually done. yeah i do understand both sides of the coin....anyways we both believe in our candidates and i/k that he will raise taxes on everything and everyone and you know he'll only do it to the rich...doesn't matter what we say to each other we can't convince who's right and who's wrong. if you were old enough to vote you are actually voting for what he has done and not voting for him b/c he's saying change change change like how i know some of my democrat friends are voting for him because of that reason. anyways i'm switching internet providers so i won't be back for a few days.

Alright, I'll respect that finalization. I also apologize for being rude.