Environmental Effects On Children

[Jack]

Originally Posted by Kaseru

Some environments are very conservative as in they don't believe in same sex marriage nor dating, whites people are the majority of the population, and of course being a republican. This environment is one of the worse because you are taught under strict values and are not able to see other points of views that are actually in the world. This view could be I suppose a "tunnel" view. All you can see is what you learned from growing up and when moving and realizing that there are so many more views out there then you will feel out of place and amazed at there is actually out there.

I disagree with you. I was raised in a Christian, republican, home schooled lifestyle (might as well have been raised Amish) and I appear to be more open minded and familiar with things than my own democratic friends who have only been brainwashed and beat down mentally by the public schooling system. Same goes for my older brother and younger sister. I am not bashing anyone that has gone to public school here, just shooting down a ridiculously assumed stereotype. You cannot judge, literally, thousands of people based on the behavioral patterns of one. That's like saying, "I met a black guy once and I didn't like him so now I hate all black people."

Anyways, back on topic: I think that both Katana and zuluedison have made an excellent point in that a person's growth does not completely rely upon one's surroundings but rather how they choose to react in certain situations.

-Jack

[Kaseru]

But you also have to know that so many factors as put into this as well. For example, the internet. You learn a lot of other people's lifestyles on here especially when going into an anime forum or chat box. You then learn about other people and their values which causes you to stray away from the original environment or reality.

And I do believe at first when someone doesn't like a certain person from that stereotype they are more likely to not like the people in the stereotype. Just because that's how they first perceive someone. It's like not likely a certain food because it's different and you have never had it before but once you get use to the different taste of it you then begin to like it.

And yes, I do agree with both katana and zuluedison.

[Jack]

Whoa there, are you actually insisting that everyone who is raised within a conservative environment or lifestyle are oblivious to the world and that I am merely an exception? That's showing bias to a stereotype, my friend. Look, I may have been able to take in info from the world wide web but I've also gained knowledge from other kids. Being home schooled these days is basically the same thing as being public schooled without the typical distraction-filled learning environment. If anything, I think that your view is close-minded.

-Jack

[Katana]

Originally Posted by Kaseru

And yes, I do agree with both katana and zuluedison.

Not to be a bother, but while it's great if you really do agree... By doing so, aren't you completely contradicting your own argument??

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[Kaseru]

Katana I agree with the fact that the environment has a huge impact on someone and how I am contradicting myself I'm not sure. Which brings the "products" of our environment. Being a product can have it's positives. I wasn't trying to direct toward all of the negative effects.

Jack, I never said there were exceptions I had merely said there were factors. And I was speaking towards the general audience when speaking about the stereotypical ideals.

[Katana]

My main point, as Jack said before, was that a person's growth depends more on how they choose to react in situations, rather than the environment itself. What you're saying, or at least what I'm understanding from what you're saying, is that a person brought up in a certain environment and around certain people, will make them exactly like the people in that environment. The two contradict each other. I may just have read wrong, so please correct me if that is the case.

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[sasnin14]

hmm, don't ya think that EVERY single thing that happens to the person, is how they react to everything around them? It depend on every single detail, from the place they live at, to the persons they hear out in the super-market. Also, every single person, sense they were babies, were born with a certain character. My cousin's daughter, sense she was a baby, would do mean stuff to MY grandmother even though her environment was, I would say, "ok" HER grandmother (note: that would be my aunt) Was rich by that time, and she always got what she wanted. Her dad had this blood disease and he could dye any day without notice, but he was the most sweetest guy I ever met. Her mom was cool and everything, always taking care of her. Now, the thing is, she was evil sense i have memory, like i said before she would do stuff to my grandmother, like putting her leg out so when my grandma would pass she would fall and stuff like that... She was straight up evil. And at 3 and a half you really don't know what's going on around you, so it really wasn't influenced by her dad being sick and whatever. So i think that in this situation, is going to be different, every body that read this will think i'm crazy/weird/ and creepy so be prepare.
I think this is mostly pass by generation, HER grandmother has been known to be a b**** and she is just like her grandmother, and i think that sense she was really little she was like that, then she had to be born with this character, cuz like everybody knows, ppl don't "create" their characters until they're, like, ergh i don't know the age, but i bet is not 3. lol. But ya, what i think happen here is something more of an abstract situation then something that can be proven so easily.
The funny thing is, 2 brothers that have gone through the exact same thing, can have totally different characters....
And ppl that have gone through totally different stuff can be so equal that every time they say something, they'll be saying what the other one was going to say XD
~sassy~

[analogZero]

adaptation
one of the most steadfast characterisitics of any human is that they will adapt to their environment. In fact this can be said of many species. It's known as a survival mechanism, and though some people may act on it unconsciously, it's what makes many situations tolerable. you may not like work or the people there, but you can adapt to your surroundings to make it more suitable (or quit, haha). You may make more friends at school if you're more similar to them. I'm not talking flakes that try to be something they're not. But, for instance, I smoked a lot of pot when I was younger, and it could more than likely be attributed to the fact that everyone around me did too. in certain circumstances we can become something we're not. However, when I gave it up, I was the only one to do so. Yet I didn't lose a single friend over it.
As a counter, it's also true that we constantly shift ourselves to create our own individuality. Even going so far as to rebel against what we've been taught to be true. For instance my taste in music has shifted in it's primary over the years. As a boy I used to listen to a lot of my dad's tapes. By the 90's I was listening to grunge and garage stuff, most likely due to the fact that it was popular then. but could that be excused by the fact that it was dominant and therefore I was more exposed to it? Later I listened to rap almost all the time, and though I still do today, I'd say it's a minority in my playlist.
Homeostasis and transistasis: anybody seen evangelion? probably where most of us would've heard of it. one is a marker of change, while the other is a marker of how we stay the same. There's an infinite amount of possibilities, and a equal amount of influences that can change us. but while we may stay the same, we are also subject to change. did you know that over the course of 3 years all cells in the human body are replaced thereby making it completely recomposed of different materials, while retaining the same semblance? 3 years ago I was completely different matter, but am I all that different?
the question remains though. If I were to be cloned as a baby and raise in this day, would I turn out the same?

[Sun Tzu]

Its an obvious fact that you are influenced by the culture that you experiance every day. Regardless of whether you wish it or not, or are conscience of it. But it isnt simply the people around you as it is your scenery, objects you interract with, and your pre set genetic emotional disposition that eventually completes the transformation that creates the every day person you see on the street.

None of you will argue that if you beat a child daily for no reason whatsoever, it will begin to have an effect on his both his behavior, emotional, and mental well being. Subjecting him, perhaps, to a greater disposition towards anger, fear, and most likely a large portion of self loathing. All having an effect on the way he/she interracts with the outside world.

Likeways if you took that same child and placed him in an environment where his every need was doted upon, and an extreme lack of punishment he/she would begin to develop a sense of superiority.

Its the slut mentallity, if a women was sexually abused by her father she might then begin to think and believe sexual activity is the only way to recieve love from a male figure, simply because when she was young this is how her father expressed his "love"

Now of course none of this is this simple, there are many different types of quarks that decrease the impact of the environment on the finished "product" that we call the adult human. Genetic predisposition is a main one, it effects how easily they respond to certain emotions such as anger, happiness, and sadness. Often times these nuts and bolts can effect the environment around them having a further impact on the psyche of a child.

So in the end, think of the childs psyche as a car. The engine, wheels, and all other essential parts are the genetics, while the body, frame, and paint are the environmental impacts. A child's environment certainly has an effect, but it is by no means the nuts and bolts, rather it simply gives a recognizable shape to the mind and attitude.

[Koopaking]

Wow, all of you people are so... deep. I don't really have any philosophical insights to give but I think that how someone is raised doesn't always effect how they act, at least after a certain age anyways. I mean, I was raised by females for my early life until around when I was 7 when my mom remarried after being divorced 7 years earlier. I was brought up moving a lot too, I never really stayed in one place long enough to settle in there, I mean I went to seven different elementary schools until we did finally settle in one place for 4 years but we ended up moving from there again too. I never made too many friends a lot of the time so I suppose that's why I stayed inside and played games and watched anime. So this kinda made me hate moving and I decided when I got a place of my own I would stay there for good and never move. I also got tired of having to wait on the parents to go places, and I had to do yard work, and I decided I would live in the city where I could walk everywhere and I would have no yard to do work on. My parents always tried to get me to not play games and sit inside as much, but haha, here I am.