Greatest Triumph, or Greatest Disaster

[leerock89]

Ok then please don't go back and edit. Instead please make a new post describing yourself better.

[Russkie]

Originally Posted by leerock89

Ok then please don't go back and edit. Instead please make a new post describing yourself better.

Is it not considered anoying when someone posts after ones self? So far, all the forums I have been to feel that same way.

I do not believe I can argue my case anymore, I feel I may have lost this debate due to the fact that I have insufficient evidence to back up my claims. Although I am admiting defeat, I hope I have at least incouraged you to prove me wrong by doing your own searches and studies on the matter.

I had fun debating this subject, I hope you feel the same .

[Felix42]

Well actually all oil company's have to make annual accounts for the sake of the shareholders. It seems that shell had a profit of 31 billion dollars, compared to 355 billion in revenue. Their assets were 187 billions which means the interest on the assets were 17 % which is alot. (im not too confident in these numbers, are used to annual accounts in danish)
But anyway why shouldn't the oil-companys make money when we're willing to pay. They are not stupid.

Anyway the prices are high because the demand for oil riser quicker than the supply, make the price rise. In the long run however, supply might rise because of the higher price. The demand will increase because of emerging countries like China, but will fall because we will use less oil as prices rise.
As an example General Motors now produce fewer 4WD because that Americans now prefer more gasoline-efficient cars.

In the end no one can say whether the price will rise or fall then, though it will rise when we run out some day.

[analogZero]

Originally Posted by Russkie

Oil is a great resource, its just that simple.

K, i got lost in youz guyziz conversation, but I did catch this. and I don't see how it could be mistranslated. particularly considering your side of the thread.

Oil is actually a terrible resource. it's useful for energy, I'll give it that, but it is also an incredibly damaging and toxic pollutant. One of the greatest this world has ever seen. If you looked beyond the oil stain in the driveway, the one of several billion automobiles running and the candy wrapper that somebody was too mechanically challenged to actually drop in the oversized hole that is an everyday garbage can, you'd see the enormous amount of crap that there is piled up from oil manufacturing. it's only being pumped because you pay money for it. lots of money that you complain about later, but then still pay more money for after you're done complaining. they're the pimps, oil's the hooker, you're the john. though oil can't give you herpes. but it is dark, slippery and ready to ignite!..and smells bad

[Koopaking]

great analogies... hehe oily pimps...

[Felix42]

Actually aren't you talking about when you make oil into gasoline, Analogzero?

If you burn oil correctly you only get CO2 and water. It's relatively cheap to get. It can be used to create plastics and is fantastic for engines.

If you use coal instead you get all kinds of poisonous gases, is mined by small children in dangerous mines and you couldn't drive a car on coal. So oil is definitely better than coal.

There are lots of things better than oil, but they are all very costly in comparison. And if you want to use f.x wind power for all the cars, it would be necessary to change all the cars to electric cars. This might also cost a bit :D

[partyprobe]

No matter how you look at it what ever we choose to do in the future will be takin advantage of from those companies. No matter how cheap it will be to make that product the companies will get greedy and start to over charge and then us the consumer will be forced to pay that because we need it. In the long run the only thing us common folk can do is sit back and take what ever comes to us cause nothin will changed in this world we have destroyed for our own ambitions.

[analogZero]

Originally Posted by Felix42

Actually aren't you talking about when you make oil into gasoline, Analogzero?

If you burn oil correctly you only get CO2 and water. It's relatively cheap to get. It can be used to create plastics and is fantastic for engines.

If you use coal instead you get all kinds of poisonous gases, is mined by small children in dangerous mines and you couldn't drive a car on coal. So oil is definitely better than coal.

There are lots of things better than oil, but they are all very costly in comparison. And if you want to use f.x wind power for all the cars, it would be necessary to change all the cars to electric cars. This might also cost a bit :D

coal's gross, but oil is processed into far more things than gasoline, and a lot of those things aren't too super in the long run. plastics are the top of that list I'd say. Is straight oil used much for anything? I was unaware of the CO2 water thing, seems wierd but I'll take it as it is right now.

[Felix42]

Oil is long CH-chains (that is carbon and hydrogen, which when it burns make C02 and H20)
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasc.../chem00937.htm

Coal is in many ways the same, except that its harder to burn hot enough. If it don't burn hot enough CO are released instead of CO2, and CO is very poisonous. Further more it releases more PO3 and SO2, which are the stuff that cause acidic rain.