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View Poll Results: Do you think abortions are ok?
Yes, i think it's ok to have an abortion 19 47.50%
No, i think it's wrong to have an abortion 21 52.50%
Voters: 40. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-10-2009   #21
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of course its wrong its the parents responsibility and its wrong to kill a fetus
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It seems the poll is almost contradictory then what most are writing here. People are that afraid to type the reason they picked it's OK to abort? Geez...
 
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Im all for abortion (and while we're on a controversial issue, Im pro- gay marriage as well).

You have no right to tell a woman that abortion is wrong and immoral BECAUSE GOD SAYS IT IS! Im mainly talking to you Christians.

I dont give a fuck who you are, you have no right to force your religion and beliefs on other people. And dont fucking say this is a Christian nation (U.S). This is not a Christian nation or will it ever be a Christian nation. Our Founding Fathers created this nation on the idea of freedom of religion and beliefs. The laws you are trying to pass in our federal courts are unconstitutional! You people who bombs abortion clinics are nothing but domestic terrorists (no matter how much the retarded Sarah Palin denies it). And you all need to be shot to death.

If a woman wants an abortion, she has the right to have said abortion.

As for gay marriage, they have the constitutional right to wed if they want. You religious fanatics needs to get out of other peoples business. Who fucking cares if homosexuallity is against the Bible. Not all believes in the book or in your faith. Stop forcing your damn religion on everybody else. And keep your beliefs out of politics. And Im not just talking to the Christians, its to all religions Im talking to.

And if you dont like what I just said, tough, Im expressing my opinions, Im protected by the Constitution. The same document that you are trying to destroy.

*deep breath* Anyways...
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Im all for abortion (and while we're on a controversial issue, Im pro- gay marriage as well).

You have no right to tell a woman that abortion is wrong and immoral BECAUSE GOD SAYS IT IS! Im mainly talking to you Christians.

I dont give a fuck who you are, you have no right to force your religion and beliefs on other people. And dont fucking say this is a Christian nation (U.S). This is not a Christian nation or will it ever be a Christian nation. Our Founding Fathers created this nation on the idea of freedom of religion and beliefs. The laws you are trying to pass in our federal courts are unconstitutional! You people who bombs abortion clinics are nothing but domestic terrorists (no matter how much the retarded Sarah Palin denies it). And you all need to be shot to death.

If a woman wants an abortion, she has the right to have said abortion.

As for gay marriage, they have the constitutional right to wed if they want. You religious fanatics needs to get out of other peoples business. Who fucking cares if homosexuallity is against the Bible. Not all believes in the book or in your faith. Stop forcing your damn religion on everybody else. And keep your beliefs out of politics. And Im not just talking to the Christians, its to all religions Im talking to.

And if you dont like what I just said, tough, Im expressing my opinions, Im protected by the Constitution. The same document that you are trying to destroy.

*deep breath* Anyways...
Wasn't this way too random? Why did you go insulting all the Christians? Shot to death? What's wrong with you really? Just as you have the right to express your opinion so do the Christians. Didn't see anyone force their opinion on you. They were merely expressing their beliefs, just as you...
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Okay, let me clarify. Im talking to the religious poeple who discriminate against gays and abortions.
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Okay, let me clarify. Im talking to the religious poeple who discriminate against gays and abortions.
Well no matter who you're addressing, this is not polite at all. It would seem you were talking to some inhumane terrorists. Nobody in this thread is like that.
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@suigintou there isn't a specific statistic in mind, simply that a) people want the sexing b) people are stupid c) overpopulation is quickly becoming a problem and d) if we can't abort the result of slip ups and mistakes, those babies will be born into a world that cannot support them. Dying peacefully in the womb is far better than dying scared alone and starving in a hospital that has no food left for it's patients.
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@suigintou there isn't a specific statistic in mind, simply that a) people want the sexing b) people are stupid c) overpopulation is quickly becoming a problem and d) if we can't abort the result of slip ups and mistakes, those babies will be born into a world that cannot support them. Dying peacefully in the womb is far better than dying scared alone and starving in a hospital that has no food left for it's patients.
I have to agree with mellowguy.

My brothers and I grew up on state aid. For those of you that have not had that 'privilege', growing up like that is not a responsible way to raise children. Food, clothing, shelter, and medical care are all sub par. You know those ads for feed the children? The children they show on those ads are not that much different than I was.

If you think for whatever reason raising children in a situation like that is okay, do a few things for me, 1: turn of you cable 2: get rid of you name brand clothes and food 3: turn off you're computer, iPod, and your video games 4: Eat maybe two meals a day 5: Stay living like that for a month.

Now, after living like that, tell me having an abortion is a bad thing to do.
As for adoption
"In 1992, there were 127,441 children adopted in the United States(Flango and Flango, 1994)"

"The AFCARS Report Interim FY 1999 Estimates as of June 2001

- 581,000 children were in foster care on September 30, 1999

- 297,000 children entered foster care during FY 1999

- 251,000 children exited foster care during FY 1999

- 127,000 children were waiting to be adopted on September 30, 1999

- 46,000 children were adopted from the public foster care system in
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http://www.acf.dhhs.gov/programs/cb/publications/afcars/june2001.htm"

Knowing figures like that, would you think children put up for adoption have any better childhoods than those kept by their birth parents? They have a 50/50 chance of being adopted. In the mean time they live under those same people that administer the welfare programs.........

I know this goes against what I had originally posted in this thread. I had hoped that it would die be for I got to this point and had to really vent against those that feel abortion is never a good choice and think it should be outlawed. I'm not even going to get in to all the deaths from 'back ally' abortions before Roe Vs Wade.......
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I think to have an abortion is a very personal thing and we shouldnt point it out those who make that decision as murderers.
I dont think adoption is a right alternative either. The baby is not a thing that you can just leave and forget about it. I hope that anybody here dont give me the lame excuse "the baby may be adopted by a good family and have a wonderful life..." cuz thats not true. Not all the children get that wonderful family, if they get any... is not that cruel? wait for somebody to love you, that if you getting older you have less chances of being adopted, to know that you have been left by your mother...?
About gay marriage... im not against either...
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I can't believe Obama wants to make it legal to have an abortion even when your like 7 months, its a baby already T.T
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