Is the Bible real?

[JesiGash]

I decided to start this debate because there is a lot of controversy over whether or not life was created by intelligent design. Well to defend intelligent design you have to know that what you are defending is real. What does the Bible say? "in the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth."(Genesis 1 verse 1) I am a Christian by faith and I believe in the Bible and it's words by faith and I believe in God by faith. So there is both my view and my stand. I am rock solid in my faith and I am ready to defend the authenticity of the Bible. Now, be so kind as to tell me your stand and why you believe that. Also, tell me why you don't believe the Bible is true and how you know.

"The Law of the Lord is perfect converting the soul: the Testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple" (Psalms 19:7 KJV)

[atomsk]

yup its real
and everything it says is true

[soulten]

Originally Posted by atomsk

yup its real
and everything it says is true

I'll second that, read it and see the truth man.

Throw this out there too.

[SmokedBoo]

Like how you used KJV.
"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." (Revelation 14:12, KJV)
By the way, what's your denomination and stance on the trinity doctrine?

[Anime_Dude]

Originally Posted by soulten

here he is

[Koopaking]

Okay first off, everyone can agree whether or not they are Christian or whatever, that the Bible is a very important piece of literature. It is the world's best selling book and the crux of Hebrew literature.

One thing I notice is, the Bibles are always in their own section of the bookstore. They have their own entire shelves dedicated to all these Bibles. You couldn't do this with any other book, just have twenty different editions of a novel on the same rack, but you can with a Bible.

The Bible itself does not really claim to be true or false. It's written like a story, not like a nonfiction book. It's people who make it what it is. If enough people said and believed that those stupid Twilight books were real and based religions around it, they might have their own section in the bookstore as well.

The Bible itself claims that it had many authors, pretty much a different one for each book. Assuming these were written over periods of hundreds of years... how could it be entirely cohesive? These people gathered compilations of stories and put them together. It had to have had some sort of editor and publisher in order for this book to be originally available to people, you can't just write something down that you may (or may not) have seen and stick it into a stack of papers that other guys over hundreds of years have done and expect it to be a valid book.

There are many other religious books like the Bible, the Torah, the Qur'an, heck even stuff like Dianetics and that Spaghetti Monster up there. Are any of these less real or false than the Bible?

There is always a suspension of disbelief with these types of things. If you are a religious person, you can watch the Transformers movie and understand that those robots aren't real, but then you can go read Bible stories about a man living on the inside of a fish for three days or a virgin getting knocked up and having a son that can walk across water and is immortal and swear by them. Because it is a story of religion, people accept this. But if I went around with copies of Harry Potter and preached that J.K. Rowling was a messiah and that Lord Voldemort would eat our souls if we did not repent to the almighty prophet Dumbledore, people would call me insane. People treat the Bible differently because it is a religious writing accepted by society and those of its religion.

The debate boils down to not whether you think the Bible is true, but whether you believe in the teachings of Christianity, ergo you follow the book by default pretty much. Christians will tell you the book is real, and Non-Christians will tell you it isn't.

I personally don't follow any religious teachings, so yes I would have to say that I believe that while the Bible is a very important historical writing, I don't think it's any truer than Alice in Wonderland or Lord of the Rings.

As people continue to debate the fundamentals of religion, and the existence of deities, this conflict will inevitably continue. In the end it comes down to a matter of faith.

[puppetz]

i respect peoples beliefs but i cant stand people who base their whole lives around this book. its just literature. whether it be true or not. the book wasnt writtin by "god" so chill out on the whole bible thing.

[JesiGash]

Throw this out there too.[/COLOR]
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Yeah, except for the fact that it's taking the Bible completely out of context.

Here are my thoughts on that:

The Death + Resurrection of Jesus:
We all have done something wrong in our lives. Sure, we didn't get the death penalty for lying, but it still was wrong to do that. Well, the wrong that we do is sin and if we sin we are deserving of death. Eternal Death.

Romans 6:23 says, "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord".

Romans 5:10 says, "For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of His Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by His life."

However, God loved us so incredibly much that He didn't want us to die so He sent Jesus His Son. Believe it or not, but Jesus is God in the Flesh. I know what you're thinking, "Wait they killed God?!" And yeah, they did (or thought they did: they killed His earthly body). However, God wanted to prove that He has power over "death". So He rose again. No, He's not a zombie that wants us to symbolically eat His flesh. If He's the all powerful God (which He is), then it stands to reason that He cannot die(which He can't). Makes since.
Now a guy just takes a bullet for you. Would you not love that guy forever? I mean seriously this stranger just died to save you! I don't care who you are, you'd love Him. You'd have to!

Lets sum it up now:
We are supposed to die.
He saves us with His life (earthly life of course)
However, He is God and has power over death so he is resurrected by His Power and Glory proving that He has power over death.
All He asked in return was for us to remember the sacrifice that He made by eating some bread. Jesus said, "This is my body given for you: do this in remembrance of me." and, " This is the cup of the new testament (agreement of covenant) in my blood, which is shed for you." (Luke 22:19, 20 KJV)

No, Jesus is not some zombie. He is an awesome God who proved His love for us by paying the price for our sins AND conquering the power and fear of death.

[fazenda]

while I don't believe that god created us i won't yell at people to agree with me, and I will try my best not to judge people on there religion.
i do think the potability of a intelligent design exists but i think the bible is mostly exaggerated story's used to make people more confident in times of trouble or stop riots with fear.

Originally Posted by JesiGash

I decided to start this debate because there is a lot of controversy over whether or not life was created by intelligent design. Well to defend intelligent design you have to know that what you are defending is real. What does the Bible say? "in the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth."(Genesis 1 verse 1) I am a Christian by faith and I believe in the Bible and it's words by faith and I believe in God by faith. So there is both my view and my stand. I am rock solid in my faith and am ready to defend the authenticity of the bible. Now, be so kind as to tell me your stand and why you believe that. Also, tell me why you don't believe the Bible is true and how you know.

"The Law of the Lord is perfect converting the soul: the Testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple" (Psalms 19:7 KJV)

most wars are started over religion

[JesiGash]

most wars are started over religion[/QUOTE]

Yes, they are. However, Christianity is not a religion: it's a faith. A debate for another time.