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Old 03-26-2009   #21
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Cyd ; You can't kiss till marriage? O__O I could not do that. But how my religion goes, it's pretty much free reign. Just, don't harm others.
well it is very hard to try not to kiss but ive been consistent with it so..... in your religion what do you do? like how many gods are there in your religion.
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well it is very hard to try not to kiss but ive been consistent with it so..... in your religion what do you do? like how many gods are there in your religion.
Yeah,I couldn't do it. ._.
Well in my religion,it's just more or so honoring the gods with feast and/or spells and rituals. And no, It's not curses and voodoo dolls, like everyone thinks it is.
&& I'm Norse-Wiccan, so I believe in the Norse gods. Like Thor, Freya, Frey, Loki, Odin, and so on.
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Yeah,I couldn't do it. ._.
Well in my religion,it's just more or so honoring the gods with feast and/or spells and rituals. And no, It's not curses and voodoo dolls, like everyone thinks it is.
&& I'm Norse-Wiccan, so I believe in the Norse gods. Like Thor, Freya, Frey, Loki, Odin, and so on.

Well i think that is cool to learn other religions other then our owns. well all i can say is if you believe in it and love it then stick with it.
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The only way to judge a religions worth is by learning fully so in order to judge a religion you must learn them all :)
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Huh!?! It's not like that at all! We are arguing over what are God's powers. I believe that there is only one God and that he is absolutely perfect. Muffin said she believes that there are many Gods that are perfect in something. We are not arguing over which concept is the strongest or smth like that. We are just trying to figure out which scenario would be more effective.
Also that 1=1 thing you said is not true. There are religions, like the ancient ones, that stated that gods are not perfect, in fact they presented them with many flows. So, I was trying to understand how Muffin considers the gods to be like.
It just rubbed off that way with me. Your understandable attempts to comprehend her religious affiliation just appeared rather outlandish and a little demeaning, saying her gods may be a weaker team (not to say that's your intention, of course).
There's no means by which to gauge a god's power. there's no god-o-meter. Just because some dudes a while back wrote down that certain gods are better or have fewer flaws, or that one can run faster than the rest doesn't mean jack, cuz the guy wasn't some godly adjudicator.
The Norse gods (muffin can correct me if I'm wrong) are much like many other polytheistic religions in that rather than allotting all aspects of the world to one divine moderator, you share the burden amongst many. It's a rather interesting concept and explains why everything can become so easily intertwined. Your power is only equal to the amount you control, and in this case the amount controlled is always equal. The universe. Therefore to maintain the universe a certain amount of power is needed, and thus regardless of your god(s), the power is equal.
I've probably added two cents far too many when I just meant to keep this thing on track. Though I've been quite proud of people of late concerning the religious threads that popped up, they do tend to go off track (which is why others have been closed in the past), and this one looked like it was starting too. If I'm not mistaken this is a question of whether you believe in a god/greater presence/holy diety(s) or not. Not which is the more effective or enlightened path.
while I'm stretching my breath I might as well say that I don't believe in a god. simple as that...*inhales*
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well, i believe there is a God. of course, im Christian, and even though i do have freedom of belief, i still choose to believe in God. i understand why people whould believe in God at a time like this, but im very faithfull in my faith, so that helps. i guess whatever you believe in believe in. im not sure how to make you believe in my God without a miracle, so believe in what you believe in now.
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It just rubbed off that way with me. Your understandable attempts to comprehend her religious affiliation just appeared rather outlandish and a little demeaning, saying her gods may be a weaker team (not to say that's your intention, of course).
There's no means by which to gauge a god's power. there's no god-o-meter. Just because some dudes a while back wrote down that certain gods are better or have fewer flaws, or that one can run faster than the rest doesn't mean jack, cuz the guy wasn't some godly adjudicator.
The Norse gods (muffin can correct me if I'm wrong) are much like many other polytheistic religions in that rather than allotting all aspects of the world to one divine moderator, you share the burden amongst many. It's a rather interesting concept and explains why everything can become so easily intertwined. Your power is only equal to the amount you control, and in this case the amount controlled is always equal. The universe. Therefore to maintain the universe a certain amount of power is needed, and thus regardless of your god(s), the power is equal.
I've probably added two cents far too many when I just meant to keep this thing on track. Though I've been quite proud of people of late concerning the religious threads that popped up, they do tend to go off track (which is why others have been closed in the past), and this one looked like it was starting too. If I'm not mistaken this is a question of whether you believe in a god/greater presence/holy diety(s) or not. Not which is the more effective or enlightened path.
while I'm stretching my breath I might as well say that I don't believe in a god. simple as that...*inhales*
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NO!!! if god did exist, he wouldn't let wars take place. I believe in the theory of evolution.
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I want to see these gods duke it out. the logic that "what if one god had super powers" is utterly ridiculous. this is all leading to a similar argument along the lines of my dad can beat up your dad. neither of you have backing for whose god is more godly. their all gods. 1=1, or in this case 1= (lots of fractions that add up to 1). If I'm not mistaken this is a thread about your belief in god, not which god would win in a battle royale of deities...which would make for a good thread should anyone care to make it.
Actually, there are numerous Biblical occurrences in which God has proved Himself to be... well, God. He did this by standing up to to what the other god's followers were saying about their god. But you're right, this was shaping out to be a "my dad... your dad" type thing and just to put in my two cents on that topic; My God could/can/will beat your God at anything! ^^


Anyway, on to the real topic. The thing about humans, whether they be Christian or not, is that they tend to put the Almighty God in a box ( or try to make Him small enough to understand Him). This cannot happen... Ever. So to know if God is truly real or not you have to talk about what makes Him real. By this I mean His attributes. Only by discussing these will we not be tempted to "put Him in a box". Ok, here is a list of God's attributes:

God is: Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient, Sovereign, Eternal, Immutable, Righteous, Love, Just, Veracity; God is an All Consuming Fire, Truth, Faithful, Kind, Caring, Compassionate, Hope, Salvation, Long Suffering, Peace, Joy, Infinite, Self Proclaiming, The Beginning and The End; God is Life, and God is Forgiving. Those are just a few of the ones we know about! That's 28 + attributes that are only found in ONE God! So you say, "how can one God do everything?" That is explained in the first THREE of His attributes! Now I don;t know about you but I had a choice, like everyone else, whether or not to choose to follow a god/gods that either had to work together to accomplish anything or was still learning and a God that COULD do everything Himself AND already knew everything. It's like this, you have a student edition of The Websters Dictionary (as we all know a Student edition does not have every word in the english dictionary), but you have a question on a word not found in the Student Edition. What are you going to do? Are you going to continue using the dictionary that cannot tell you what you want to know or are you going to find the dictionary that will tell you what you want to know? Any one would of course choose the dictionary with the most to offer... No? Same thing with God v. god's. which are you willing to believe in? A God who can/will explain everything or a god that's can't explain everything? As you can probably tell, I choose the first. Why? Because I am not going to put my trust in an platform that is not firmly grounded and I am not going to put my trust in a god that is unsure if his/her capabilities or has to rely on another being to accomplish something. I put my trust in God because I KNOW He is God. There is NO question in my mind as to the contrary. And I gladly count everything I am and everything I have accomplished as lost for the joy of knowing I am secure in my faith. ^^

Question: Are any of you absolutely, 100% sure that God does not exist?

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Wars are not of God's doing, but of man's. You ask, "why does God let bad things happen?" or, "why doesn't God stop all wars?". My question is: "Why don't you?" God has the ability to stop wars and when He comes back for His Thousand Year Reign on earth He will enforce peace. However, until then He will allow free will to govern the lives of man. Man chooses to war so, God let's the wars take place and actually uses them to benefit man. Why doesn't God Stop wars? Because man does not WANT to stop warring. If God were to stop wars He would change His nature to let us govern ourselves and, as I've already stated, God is Immutable.
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well..i believe god exists!
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