The Problem of Evil???!!!

[FlrcntKnht]

Ok people here is the argument and I especially make this for JesiGash :D

The Argument Straight out
actually i lie first we have to agree that in general Popular Monotheistic religions belive that God is Omnipotent (all powerful), Omniscient (all knowing), and Omni-Benevolent (in other words he is Morally perfect)
Please note: I know the bible/Torah/Quran does not say the morality part but it does say he is a Perfect being and with that comes the morality
anyway the Logic part that causes a contradiction

1. If God exists, then God is omnipotent, omniscient, and morally perfect.
2. If God is omnipotent, then God has the power to eliminate all evil.
3. If God is omniscient, then God knows when evil exists.
4. If God is morally perfect, then God has the desire to eliminate all evil.
5. Evil exists.
6. If evil exists and God exists, then either God doesn't have the power to eliminate all evil, or doesn't know when evil exists, or doesn't have the desire to eliminate all evil.
7. Therefore, God doesn't exist.

copy and pasted from http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/evil/

and as I did for my College paper I put a disclaimer I personally o not use as an argument for the fact that God doe not exist but the God that Religion has anthropomorphized many times over but some how God does not seem to recieve any flaws.

Now Do you guys find this a sound argument?

[Russkie]

Dont mind me, I'm only dropping by to urinate on this topic so as to leave my mark... But my thoughts are; so God is perfect... but since when has the world been perfect? And what if God has a totally awesome reason for having it "not perfect"?

Call me crazy, but I'd like to think life is nothing more than testing grounds.

[FlrcntKnht]

well thanks for the Golden shower LOL and actually that is a pretty good outlook on life.

[Beastking]

everybody has their own believes and im glad i could hear yours. and yes that is a nice argument. Good luck.

[Viduus]

Correct me if I'm wrong here (and trust me, I'm not in favor of the entire god thing at all, no matter what sect), but according to religions, isn't the world not perfect because not everyone follows God? I mean, isn't it basically christian belief that if everyone was a good christian everything would be perfect which is why they strive to convert every person?

[analogZero]

For this to hold ground you have to convince me that evil serves no purpose. til then, I'll be eating nachos. crunch.

[madman]

what is evil?
and is an evil man evil because of his actions, his reasons, or both.
and is becoming evil to defeat evil truly evil.

[Silverleon]

You wanna know the thruth why there's so much evil in the world? (somehoe that sounds familiar...)

[leshinor]

Interesting thread thread!!! So, here I am once again to debate with FlrcntKnht lol

3. If God is omniscient, then God knows when evil exists.

Well, this is the first thing that should be cleared I think. What is evil?
Here is what Einstein debated once:
There is not really such a thing as cold. Cold is the absence of heat. There can be almost no heat at all, there can be some heat and there can be a lot of heat. However, there is nothing that we can call 'cold'. Cold is not the opposite of heat but its absence. The same way is for light and dark. There is not such thing as dark. Dark is used to denote the absence of light.
The same thing is applied to Good and Evil. There is no Evil. We call Evil the absence of Good.

I find that very interesting. What do you guys think?


4. If God is morally perfect, then God has the desire to eliminate all evil.

Well this is the part I don't really agree with. If God is morally perfect, then by destroying Evil He would take the possibility from humans to chose for themselves what to do. If we only had the choice of doing Good, then it wouldn't be much of a choice right? God would be more of a tyrant. However, now that we can choose for our selves what to do, we are free. It might hurt God when we do evil but He will not stop us because it is our choice, just like a loving parent who is hurt by his/hers child evil deeds but will nor forcefully stop him/her just give him/her advice.

[Zaraki]

Originally Posted by Viduus

Correct me if I'm wrong here (and trust me, I'm not in favor of the entire god thing at all, no matter what sect), but according to religions, isn't the world not perfect because not everyone follows God? I mean, isn't it basically christian belief that if everyone was a good christian everything would be perfect which is why they strive to convert every person?

if you mean to keep everyone from burning in Hell for all eternity then yes. true we are trying to become more Christ like but can a christian become perfect while living on Earth, no. we are human and we will screw up. i'm way far from perfect a long with everyone else. now why God doesn't get rid of the evil in this world is a good question. He did give us free will to do pretty much whatever we want. either to obey Him, and let Him guide our lives, or try to make it in this world by ourselves, and walk down the wrong path.

now if i remember this right God was going to kill everything on Earth by using the flood because of the evil of men, and start over. of course He saved Noah because he obeyed him and promised Noah he wouldn't of flood the Earth again. now why God doesn't use wind, earth, or fire to wipe out the evil people on Earth now good question as I wonder that myself. i'm sure when the Rapture, and after the so and so years of darkness those who to accept Christ will move on to be with Him in Heaven while those who don't will be sent to Hell.