Is the Bible real?

[Russkie]

*Face palm*

If I had known you were going to post such a thread, I would have stopped you from walking into a FUCKING DEATH TRAP... wait... that doesnt sound like me. Okay, so I would let you walk into a fucking death trap, but the point is, I've learned that the majority of the AF society is that they're mostly atheists... and they're going to FLAME YOUR ASS.

Clearly I'm a little late, but I thought this message might serve as a "I told you so" scenario. Personally, I've been raised a up in a certain religion, so yeah... I believe in a God. But like I'm trying so hard to say... if you throw the bible in their face, they're going to throw a flaming-bag-of-poo in yours.

Cheers.

[JesiGash]

Originally Posted by analogZero

You're just transforming the word religion to suit your speech. Religion is in it's basics a set of fundamental beliefs and practices. By your design of the word any christian who goes to church is a phony. Anybody who reads the bible would be as well. If Jesus doesn't believe in religion then you'd have no reason to follow him. Faith is nothing more than an element of religion, you could say. Hope can stand alone to all decrees, religious or non, while faith requires something by which to focus.

Well that depends on the person. A lot of people, as I believe I stated, just go through the motions expecting their actions to save them. So they are phony. However, there are those who know that faith is founded on the Word of God and if the building burnt to the ground the church, and their faith, would still stand. The same goes for people who read the Bible. I heard this story of this guy who was trapped in a prison and all he had to read was the Bible. He read the Bible, but instead of trying to determine it's meaning he went through and made a list of all of the unessential facts about the Bible. For instance: instead of realizing that "Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God" (Rom 10:17) he determined how many times the word "I" was used in the Bible. Although they don't treat it to that extent, there are still people out there who read the Bible as just another book. They put no effort into finding any truth written therein. That is the difference between "Spiritual Faith" and "religion". (I probably should have mentioned the spiritual faith part >_>;)

[Zaraki]

Originally Posted by Russkie

*Face palm*

If I had known you were going to post such a thread, I would have stopped you from walking into a FUCKING DEATH TRAP... wait... that doesnt sound like me. Okay, so I would let you walk into a fucking death trap, but the point is, I've learned that the majority of the AF society is that they're mostly atheists... and they're going to FLAME YOUR ASS.

Clearly I'm a little late, but I thought this message might serve as a "I told you so" scenario. Personally, I've been raised a up in a certain religion, so yeah... I believe in a God. But like I'm trying so hard to say... if you throw the bible in their face, they're going to throw a flaming-bag-of-poo in yours.

Cheers.

yeah i found out the hard way even when the author said post your opinions about gay marriage. a good portion of AF society is liberal. any-who i like these debates better than the which is better debates.

[analogZero]

Originally Posted by JesiGash

Well that depends on the person. A lot of people, as I believe I stated, just go through the motions expecting their actions to save them. So they are phony. However, there are those who know that faith is founded on the Word of God and if the building burnt to the ground the church, and their faith, would still stand. The same goes for people who read the Bible. I heard this story of this guy who was trapped in a prison and all he had to read was the Bible. He read the Bible, but instead of trying to determine it's meaning he went through and made a list of all of the unessential facts about the Bible. For instance: instead of realizing that "Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God" (Rom 10:17) he determined how many times the word "I" was used in the Bible. Although they don't treat it to that extent, there are still people out there who read the Bible as just another book. They put no effort into finding any truth written therein. That is the difference between "Spiritual Faith" and "religion". (I probably should have mentioned the spiritual faith part >_>;)

I understand what you're saying, but your faith is equally measured through your actions and your beliefs, thus, religion is formed. Religion is your truth, a combination of your faith, belief and action equaling a varity. It's somewhat hateful to say that someone is phony simply because they haven't achieve the same level of development as you, but that isn't to say that they can't change their ways. That's what repentance is for, am I wrong? It's often the case, I find, that christians care more for the quantity of their flock rather than the quality. There wouldn't be so many phonies if they were given proper direction rather than focusing on those who know not/wish not direction.
Spiritual faith doesn't require a christian god. Spiritual faith is applicable to any and all religions/faiths that require a following. So then why is a christian god the one and true god?

[Zaraki]

Originally Posted by analogZero

I understand what you're saying, but your faith is equally measured through your actions and your beliefs, thus, religion is formed. Religion is your truth, a combination of your faith, belief and action equaling a varity. It's somewhat hateful to say that someone is phony simply because they haven't achieve the same level of development as you, but that isn't to say that they can't change their ways. That's what repentance is for, am I wrong? It's often the case, I find, that christians care more for the quantity of their flock rather than the quality. There wouldn't be so many phonies if they were given proper direction rather than focusing on those who know not/wish not direction.
Spiritual faith doesn't require a christian god. Spiritual faith is applicable to any and all religions/faiths that require a following. So then why is a christian god the one and true god?

sorry for bumping in but i do agree with you there. i am a christian, but i do a lot of things that i know i shouldn't have. i pray for forgiveness each night for it. i'm a baptist and we believe no matter what you do you can't lose your salvation to a certain degree. i've been through a rough year myself, and it seems most christians lose faith when something bad happens to them. my would of been girlfriend lost her faith and basically gave God the finger. i know i'm going way off topic again, but will she burn in Hell for eternity. i don't know, i guess she could for it.

[jamjfly]

For all that think God does not exist, then explain to me how it is we came to be?

[analogZero]

Originally Posted by jamjfly

For all that think God does not exist, then explain to me how it is we came to be?

http://www.animefuel.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11520

that's how...well not really.

[JesiGash]

Originally Posted by analogZero

I understand what you're saying, but your faith is equally measured through your actions and your beliefs, thus, religion is formed. Religion is your truth, a combination of your faith, belief and action equaling a varity. It's somewhat hateful to say that someone is phony simply because they haven't achieve the same level of development as you, but that isn't to say that they can't change their ways. That's what repentance is for, am I wrong? It's often the case, I find, that christians care more for the quantity of their flock rather than the quality. There wouldn't be so many phonies if they were given proper direction rather than focusing on those who know not/wish not direction.
Spiritual faith doesn't require a christian god. Spiritual faith is applicable to any and all religions/faiths that require a following. So then why is a christian god the one and true god?

Huh, that is very interesting. I'm gonna look more into that.

I'm not saying that the people who haven't achieved the same level of spirituality as me are phony. I am still learning and I'll always be learning. However, what I am saying is that people who think saying a prayer is the only thing needed or people who think that doing good works is the path to salvation and never work on their faith are the ones who are phony. And of course, any one who truly wants salvation only needs to ask, but as Christians we are either hot or we're cold. Hot being those who are never satisfied with their faith and are always trying to improve their relationship with God. Cold being those who think that going to church is the same as being PART of the church. God won't reject anybody, but He does expect you to mature as a Christian. Those "Christians" who don't even try to are... Phony. No way around it.

Well the question comes done to, are you going to believe in a God that wants you to better you, Him, and those around you? Or are you going to believe in a god that either demands sacrifices or the betterment of just yourself? Better yet, are you going to follow a God that sacrificed Himself for YOUR sake or are you going to follow a god that tells you to give yourself up because he demands it?

[Nightmare]

Originally Posted by jamjfly

For all that think God does not exist, then explain to me how it is we came to be?

Actually I just finished a book that explains this pretty well, and I quote.
"People believe in God because the world is very complicated and they think it is very unlikely that anything as complicated as a flying squirrel or the human eye of a brain could happen by chance... it is like if everyone in the world was tossing coins eventually someone would get 5,698 heads in a row... there is life on earth because of an accident. But It is a very special kind of accident. And for this accident to happen in this special way, there have to be 3 conditions. And these are
1. things have to make copies of themselves (this is called Replication)
2. They have to make small mistakes when they do this (this is called Mutation)
3. These mistakes have to be the same in there copies (this is called Heritability)"
I had to skip a little hear and there (the author tends to ramble a bit) but you got the important stuff.

[soulten]

Originally Posted by JesiGash

Blah, blah, blah.....etc.

However, God loved us so incredibly much that He didn't want us to die so He sent Jesus His Son. Believe it or not, but Jesus is God in the Flesh. I know what you're thinking, "Wait they killed God?!" And yeah, they did (or thought they did: they killed His earthly body). However, God wanted to prove that He has power over "death". So He rose again. No, He's not a zombie that wants us to symbolically eat His flesh. If He's the all powerful God (which He is), then it stands to reason that He cannot die(which He can't). Makes since.
Now a guy just takes a bullet for you. Would you not love that guy forever? I mean seriously this stranger just died to save you! I don't care who you are, you'd love Him. You'd have to!

blah, blah, blah.....etc.

No, Jesus is not some zombie. He is an awesome God who proved His love for us by paying the price for our sins AND conquering the power and fear of death.

Define Zombie: Human corpse brought back to life.
God in the flesh means he is a human, no?
We killed him, he was dead.
Define dead: not showing characteristics of life especially the capacity to sustain life.
He rose again. That would mean he came back to life.
Pretty much sums up a zombie to me.

For the he(god) can not die. You would be referring to the spirit/soul(if that exists). Spirit/soul has nothing whatsoever do with the transformation of a zombie. If you are considered dead for longer that a day you are probably dead, come back to life miraculously after that you are a zombie, be it you are back to your old conciseness or not. You are still a re-animated corpse i.e. ZOMBIE!

I wouldn't.