Is the Bible real?

[Sadrith]

Anymore I'm open to any anwser if science can provide it then great but I feel better trusting in science and what we can prove.

[leerock89]

You know I was watching Ancient Aliens on tv the other day. Its a documentary on a theory of how aliens were with our ancestors and how they might have helped our earlier civilizations such as the Egyptians, Indians, Chinese, Aztecs, Mayans etc etc. There are some really bizarre and unexplained things on out planet that points to extraterrestrials helping our people in the past. One of them is an ancient ruin's of a city that is dated to be 15 thousand years old but thats not the amazing thing. If you take a closer look at the city you can see pieces of rock that have drill holes and such that our ancestors could not have done. I mean I got to see a close up of a huge ruin piece and there were symmetrical holes and even more symmetrical lines on it that we could only have done in the last couple hundred years or so not 15 thousand years. Also the ruins were made of granite and dia... something (tried to look it up but I couldnt find the word. Its a stone thats so tough the only thing that will cut is is a drill or blade that is diamond tipped) and these stones aren't found ANYWHERE near the ruin site. Heck, even modern architects and construction masters took a look at the ruins and said we CANNOT DUPLICATE THESE RUINS. The documentary also went into the bible and a certain apostle, Enoch. Enoch's book is a forbidden book of the bible, that explains that he was taken away from the planet for 300 years and when he returned he gave detailed descriptions on what had happened and who he traveled with and the apocalyptic prophecy he returned with. There are also some things in the bible such as Ezekiel's Chariot, a device which allowed him to fly. The way I see it, humans who experienced these amazing things, these feats that were so astounding they could only explain it as godlike, these events that shook the whole world, they had to write it down and when they wrote it down they wrote it down as they would during their time period. So in other words what seemed like an angel with full head gear and body armor comes down from the heaven bringing gifts or power or anything, our ancestors had no other way to describe it other then saying that it was beyond anything they know and it had to be a work of a god which is why I said the bible had lost a lot of its actual meaning in translation and time itself. Whats funny is humans can seem to explain these things as works of a god but not aliens! Are not both idea's far out and wacky?? I mean why does it only have to be god? Why couldn't it have been some wise and uber super teched out alien who wanted to help out our race?

[leshinor]

Originally Posted by -.Shiki.-

From my perspective, The Bible is just a thing that the apostles wrote,
not because they were "illuminated by the light of the holy spirit" [that for me sounds like the reasoning of a stupid/drunk man] but because they just wanted to make some kind of book to teach people not to be "bad" by using the example of Jesus. They just wanted to help. But people in that time were very stupid [just as in now], so they took literally everything that was written in there.

To sum it up: Don't take literally what the bible says as it is just a book of sayings to make a you a better person. Only a monkey would actually believe that literally..

Finally a person I can agree with! Thank God!!! Thank Alien!!! Thank Darwin or whoever you like.
The Bible gives stories to give an example of how people should or shouldn't act. Others of course, like Jesus' life are real, or at least that's what I believe. But, you can't really go around claiming to be the descendant of Adam and Eve!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by leerock89

You know I was watching Ancient Aliens on tv the other day. Its a documentary on a theory of how aliens were with our ancestors and how they might have helped our earlier civilizations such as the Egyptians, Indians, Chinese, Aztecs, Mayans etc etc. There are some really bizarre and unexplained things on out planet that points to extraterrestrials helping our people in the past. One of them is an ancient ruin's of a city that is dated to be 15 thousand years old but thats not the amazing thing. If you take a closer look at the city you can see pieces of rock that have drill holes and such that our ancestors could not have done. I mean I got to see a close up of a huge ruin piece and there were symmetrical holes and even more symmetrical lines on it that we could only have done in the last couple hundred years or so not 15 thousand years. Also the ruins were made of granite and dia... something (tried to look it up but I couldnt find the word. Its a stone thats so tough the only thing that will cut is is a drill or blade that is diamond tipped) and these stones aren't found ANYWHERE near the ruin site. Heck, even modern architects and construction masters took a look at the ruins and said we CANNOT DUPLICATE THESE RUINS. The documentary also went into the bible and a certain apostle, Enoch. Enoch's book is a forbidden book of the bible, that explains that he was taken away from the planet for 300 years and when he returned he gave detailed descriptions on what had happened and who he traveled with and the apocalyptic prophecy he returned with. There are also some things in the bible such as Ezekiel's Chariot, a device which allowed him to fly. The way I see it, humans who experienced these amazing things, these feats that were so astounding they could only explain it as godlike, these events that shook the whole world, they had to write it down and when they wrote it down they wrote it down as they would during their time period. So in other words what seemed like an angel with full head gear and body armor comes down from the heaven bringing gifts or power or anything, our ancestors had no other way to describe it other then saying that it was beyond anything they know and it had to be a work of a god which is why I said the bible had lost a lot of its actual meaning in translation and time itself. Whats funny is humans can seem to explain these things as works of a god but not aliens! Are not both idea's far out and wacky?? I mean why does it only have to be god? Why couldn't it have been some wise and uber super teched out alien who wanted to help out our race?

That's true that the past holds way too many mysteries! It might be aliens, it might be God, it might be a human civilization that was destroyed or it might even be people from the future with a time machine!!! Nobody can say for certain.
What you are wrong about is this: people don't believe in God because some guys wrote that they saw an angel with full bod armor!!! Or at least that's how it should be.
People believe in God because of certain logical explanations that they had and of course some faith.

[leerock89]

Originally Posted by leshinor

That's true that the past holds way too many mysteries! It might be aliens, it might be God, it might be a human civilization that was destroyed or it might even be people from the future with a time machine!!! Nobody can say for certain.
What you are wrong about is this: people don't believe in God because some guys wrote that they saw an angel with full bod armor!!! Or at least that's how it should be.
People believe in God because of certain logical explanations that they had and of course some faith.

Not just some, blind faith. I'm just saying, thats how an event was described as, as God or such and such came and helped out, and thats the way it looked to our ancestors which is why it is what it is today. Back then, it happened right in front of their eyes and they tried to explain those events the best they could and because they witnessed it they have more then just faith, they KNEW, and they transferred that into writing. That explanation and knowledge became a religion, which after time, lost a lot of it's truth because of humans. Granted the basic truths stayed, such as you shall not kill, love thy neighbor blah blah blah, but through out the ages the interpretation of it changed and at times was intentionally changed.

[leshinor]

Originally Posted by leerock89

Not just some, blind faith. I'm just saying, thats how an event was described as, as God or such and such came and helped out, and thats the way it looked to our ancestors which is why it is what it is today. Back then, it happened right in front of their eyes and they tried to explain those events the best they could and because they witnessed it they have more then just faith, they KNEW, and they transferred that into writing. That explanation and knowledge became a religion, which after time, lost a lot of it's truth because of humans. Granted the basic truths stayed, such as you shall not kill, love thy neighbor blah blah blah, but through out the ages the interpretation of it changed and at times was intentionally changed.

Sure this is possible but so are many other scenarios. It could be that the truth faded away but it also could be that it didn't. But that gets us nowhere and it gets off topic too! lol

[leerock89]

Originally Posted by leshinor

Sure this is possible but so are many other scenarios. It could be that the truth faded away but it also could be that it didn't. But that gets us nowhere and it gets off topic too! lol

Dammit!! I WANT TO TALK ABOUT LIZARD ALIENS NOT THE BIBLE!!!!

[UkeShuichi]

I believe, completely, that the bible is not only telling the truth, but is also the word of God. I have seen countless things showing that he not only exists, but loves us, through my life and refuse to deny as such to anybody. But, I also think that religion is a lie because of the man made laws that have been put behind it, and that it's about the relationship rather than the religion. With such, I could care less what the world thinks of me. We are all sinners. That makes me no better or worse than anybody else on this planet.

[JesiGash]

Originally Posted by soulten

That is what you're debating right now.

Huh, you're right. Okay.

Here's how it goes:

Religious Christianity: In a word, hypocrites. They are the people that say they love God but act just like everyone else. They go through the motions. They are those who don't, "push their religion on others". (By definition, "pushing religion on others" simply means stating your beliefs. So, by saying that you don't believe in God and that you don't push your religion is, in fact, pushing your religion. Plus, if you don't say it you don't really believe it. Which ties into "faith". )

The Christian faith: First, what is "faith"? Hebrews says that, "Faith is the substance of things hoped* for, the evidence of things not seen" (Heb 1:1 KJV). So faith is believing in what we cannot see. Here's a thought: "Faith" is saying, to yourself, "When I sit in this chair I believe that it has the strength to hold me". Same with having faith in Jesus. It's simply saying, "I am going to have faith that Jesus can save me from death"

Faith = Action
Religion = No action

"We walk by faith, not by sight" (2 Cor 5:7)

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I believe that it is the Greek word for "faith" that is the same as the word for "hope". Hope = Faith.? I'll have to dig that out of my notes.

A crazy thing about the word "Christian" is that it means "Christ follower". That in itself should point out a BIG difference between hardcore followers and hypocrites.

Another crazy thing that came to mind is the fact that Jesus hated religion. So if the God you are supposed to be following hates religion; what does that mean for His followers? It means that, unless you claim Christianity as your religion, what you are following is greater than any man made theory or belief.

I read what someone had wrote about if a Christian read the entire Bible that they probably wouldn't be on a anime forum. Completely untrue. True Christians go were there are people who need to hear the Word of God.

Originally Posted by UkeShuichi

I believe, completely, that the bible is not only telling the truth, but is also the word of God. I have seen countless things showing that he not only exists, but loves us, through my life and refuse to deny as such to anybody. But, I also think that religion is a lie because of the man made laws that have been put behind it, and that it's about the relationship rather than the religion. With such, I could care less what the world thinks of me. We are all sinners. That makes me no better or worse than anybody else on this planet.

Spot on dear chap!

[UkeShuichi]

Originally Posted by JesiGash

Spot on dear chap!

Thank you. ^_^

[analogZero]

Originally Posted by JesiGash

Huh, you're right. Okay.

Here's how it goes:

Religious Christianity: In a word, hypocrites. They are the people that say they love God but act just like everyone else. They go through the motions. They are those who don't, "push their religion on others". (By definition, "pushing religion on others" simply means stating your beliefs. So, by saying that you don't believe in God and that you don't push your religion is, in fact, pushing your religion. Plus, if you don't say it you don't really believe it. Which ties into "faith". )

The Christian faith: First, what is "faith"? Hebrews says that, "Faith is the substance of things hoped* for, the evidence of things not seen" (Heb 1:1 KJV). So faith is believing in what we cannot see. Here's a thought: "Faith" is saying, to yourself, "When I sit in this chair I believe that it has the strength to hold me". Same with having faith in Jesus. It's simply saying, "I am going to have faith that Jesus can save me from death"

Faith = Action
Religion = No action

"We walk by faith, not by sight" (2 Cor 5:7)

*-
I believe that it is the Greek word for "faith" that is the same as the word for "hope". Hope = Faith.? I'll have to dig that out of my notes.

A crazy thing about the word "Christian" is that it means "Christ follower". That in itself should point out a BIG difference between hardcore followers and hypocrites.

Another crazy thing that came to mind is the fact that Jesus hated religion. So if the God you are supposed to be following hates religion; what does that mean for His followers? It means that, unless you claim Christianity as your religion, what you are following is greater than any man made theory or belief.

I read what someone had wrote about if a Christian read the entire Bible that they probably wouldn't be on a anime forum. Completely untrue. True Christians go were there are people who need to hear the Word of God.

You're just transforming the word religion to suit your speech. Religion is in it's basics a set of fundamental beliefs and practices. By your design of the word any christian who goes to church is a phony. Anybody who reads the bible would be as well. If Jesus doesn't believe in religion then you'd have no reason to follow him. Faith is nothing more than an element of religion, you could say. Hope can stand alone to all decrees, religious or non, while faith requires something by which to focus.