Is the Bible real?

[analogZero]

Math books are meant to be read front to back. they have logical progression so as not to leave the student left in a fog, but rather to guide them step by step to plausible conclusions...

[Ramrok]

no, math books arent meant to be read front to back... math books is made up of series of chapters teaching you certain things... most teachers in a sense dont even go chapter by chapter... they teach the chapters that they want their students to learn... the chapters (unlike stories) dont hinge on having to read them in order, for you to understand... each chapter teaches you its lesson without neccessarily having to rely previous chapters... in some cases you can even go back and forth thru chapters... depending on the method you choose to teach... your brain will have a difficult time taking in all the information if you simply plan on reading it front to back, thats why examples and principles are taught to make it easier to understand and put to practice...

the bible is similar in almost the same sense, it has its own chapters teaching you certain things... these chapters dont particularly hinge on each other and do not have to be read in succession from front to back... teaching you certain things may even require you to go back and forth thru chapters and gathering the information about the particular subject... the bible also provides you with examples and quotes to help you absorb the information easier and apply it to practice... it has songs, poems, quotes, and stories that can teach you things... so i can guarantee you its not just any other book that you can read front to back.

[soulten]

Originally Posted by Ramrok

@soulten

lol you make no sence, your debating even tho its not your real oppinion and belief? even if your debating against them? wow... btw im debating with my real oppinions and beliefs, i wouldnt debate otherwise... i hope u now understand why i dont take u seriously... its like ur debating with a lie, when ur keeping the truth to urself... its just illogical.

Why do I have to reveal my real opinions of beliefs? I can't try to be on a different side then others and try to logically think from that point of view.

While I do decide to act like this, I make very sure that while I'm debating a side I think those are my beliefs and opinions. So while I'm saying the bible is fake I am saying this from a serious point of view of someone who believes so, and if I felt like giving my opinion on why it's real I would take it seriously. While I'm expressing these opinions I have no other beliefs then what I'm focusing on. That "lie" or "hidden truth" doesn't exist when I express these different opinions.

[Ramrok]

right, well w.e
sry if i still dont take u seriously...
there are only 2 sides to this debate... either you believe its real or you dont... what you say is what you believe... dont say things you dont honestly believe... what it seems like your trying to say is: that your saying the bible is fake when its not your real oppinion... which would only mean that your real oppinion is the opposite of what you say, meaning your real oppinion is that the bible is real... this could only mean that your a very confused individual or ur doing alot of talking for no apparent reason.

dont try to debate from someone else's point of view, thats just retarded... use ur own point of view with your own real oppinion and beliefs... if your saying the bible is fake when your real belief and oppinion says that the bible is real... it seems like ur debating against ur own real belief and oppinions... such a debate should normally take place in your own head, i believe they are called self doubts.

[soulten]

Originally Posted by Ramrok

right, well w.e
sry if i still dont take u seriously...
there are only 2 sides to this debate... either you believe its real or you dont... what you say is what you believe... dont say things you dont honestly believe... what it seems like your trying to say is: that your saying the bible is fake when its not your real oppinion... which would only mean that your real oppinion is the opposite of what you say, meaning your real oppinion is that the bible is real... this could only mean that your a very confused individual or ur doing alot of talking for no apparent reason.

dont try to debate from someone else's point of view, thats just retarded... use ur own point of view with your own real oppinion and beliefs... if your saying the bible is fake when your real belief and oppinion says that the bible is real... it seems like ur debating against ur own real belief and oppinions... such a debate should normally take place in your own head, i believe they are called self doubts.

So it's not possible somethings in the bible are real while others could be exaggerated?

So I'm not allowed to try and try something new, see if I can prove myself wrong/prove my thoughts?
Put myself in someone's shoe for once?
Try to expand my way of thinking to accept a different way of thinking?
The only reason I would debate from the views of someone else is to see if I could.
I would like to respect all ways of thinking and the best way to do that is to put myself in their position and mind-set. See if I could think like that.

I'm sorry for being "retarded" I guess I'll just stop replying.

[Ramrok]

no, you shouldnt try something like that because it teaches nothing and its proves nothing, your misunderstanding the nature of a debate... if your beliefs are the same as mine, in that the bible is real, yet you joke around that it isnt only for the sake of debating... then your not actually debating... you cannot debate from someone elses point of view because there will be no time in which you will be able to acknowledge defeat or victory... if my argument triumphs over yours, your real beliefs are the same as mine therefore your real beliefs will stay the same as i have strengthend them with my triumph, but u will continuously try to put urself in the shoes of the opposing side regardless of the outcome of the argument... it will be an endless play, resulting in nothing but wasted time... what your doing is just playing around with the idea of a debate, when your in fact not actually debating.

if you had anything close to a concrete argument, your real belief will tell you its fake yet you post it anyways even tho your real belief already said its fake... theres nothing wrong with putting urself in someone else's shoes, or looking at things from someone else point of view... but thats just figuratively speaking for something that happens inside your head.

[soulten]

My beliefs are: I don't know. It could be real, parts of it could real, but all of it NO.

Is that a good enough answer for you?

And here's something you are misunderstanding; THIS IS NOT A DEBATE.

A debate comes down to something that can be proven, a defeat or victory can occur. What we are doing here is simply "I'm right cause I think so" vs. "I'm right cause I think so" There is nothing that can make it proven either way, therefore no one can be deemed victor.

I have just dismantled this "debate" with your own words.

Now with that said, this is not a debate and all you've said is therefore pointless is it not?

What I've been doing is throwing opinions of different perspectives then. I've said it once and I'll say it again, this doesn't belong in debate, nor does the "God is real thread". All we have is fact less un-provable opinions one after another.

[Ramrok]

um... this is a debate... just cuz u dont want to read my article doesnt mean i dont have proof... speak for urself, not for others... as far as im concerned... my side of the argument has been dominating and my response's have been fairly well put, am i wrong? i dont think theres a question here i havent been able to answer... so lets see wut ur side's got... wut makes u think the bible isnt real? your thoughts? feelings? do you have any proof? is there anything specific about it?

cmon, if you like to debate from the opposing point of view... what would the opposite side most likely reply with? put urself in their shoes, lol.

debate - a discussion involving opposing viewpoints.
debate - to engage in argument or discussion.

and yah, this is a debate.

[leshinor]

Supporting someone else's ideas is fine by me. If you are unsure about a subject you can argue with both sides until you are convinced by one party.

If this is the definition of a debate then this is a debate. Actually, if a debate required a conclusion to which everyone or at least the majority would agree upon then we would have very few debates. But, the definition is not the problem here. What you are debating (?) about is whether this thread can have decent arguments or is it pointless to try and convince the opposing party. Well, so far I have seen some proper arguments and points being made. So, if one side cannot counter the other sides arguments, then there you have your conclusion!

[Yue Osakur]

Sorry, just read the title. don't know if anyones already said this and if someone has, I'll say it again.

It's - JUST - A - BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK!! the Bible is nothing but a book of stories, lessions, and such to live by, writien BY people of the past. just morals like be a good person, and shareing and such.

Now I'm not tring to down it or speak negetive about it. but Come-on, there are so many vereations and edites to it that no one knows who right and who's wrong. Give it a break already. enough with the crap

PS. And would people stop with the killing people or converting people to their ways!!! just becaue someone dosen't think the same or act the same way you do dosen't mean you have to kill them off!!!!! It's wrong, it's wrong!! It's W_R_O_N_G!