Evolutionism or Creationism

[FlrcntKnht]

i would not say that im for intellgent design but i think that God could have been the cause of Evolution and basically Intelligent Design as well as Creationism tries to say that the earth is so many years old. When i was current in the situation like a year ago i think they tries to say the erath was something like 4000 to 6000 years old because of the dates from the bible which was the point i was trying to make by saying it is not possible for th Bible to be right. I believe that Evolution is going to evetually be right once perfected but i think that it will not look anything like Darwinian evolution but more like Lamarc's version, i think that is his name.

ps yes by him i meant God

[analogZero]

Originally Posted by FlrcntKnht

i would not say that im for intellgent design but i think that God could have been the cause of Evolution and basically Intelligent Design as well as Creationism tries to say that the earth is so many years old. When i was current in the situation like a year ago i think they tries to say the erath was something like 4000 to 6000 years old because of the dates from the bible which was the point i was trying to make by saying it is not possible for th Bible to be right. I believe that Evolution is going to evetually be right once perfected but i think that it will not look anything like Darwinian evolution but more like Lamarc's version, i think that is his name.

ps yes by him i meant God

The farthest anyone can trace back in written history is roughly 6000 years ago. This is when the written word came into play. Essentially in order for the claim that man kinds appeared at that time, he would've had to learn how to read and write in no time. No problem for God to instill such abilities I suppose, but really, what's the purpose of writing when there's all but two people in the world? It reminds me of people who sit beside each other or in the same room and MSN each other rather than actually saying what you want to say.

[leshinor]

Originally Posted by FlrcntKnht

i would not say that im for intellgent design but i think that God could have been the cause of Evolution and basically Intelligent Design as well as Creationism tries to say that the earth is so many years old. When i was current in the situation like a year ago i think they tries to say the erath was something like 4000 to 6000 years old because of the dates from the bible which was the point i was trying to make by saying it is not possible for th Bible to be right. I believe that Evolution is going to evetually be right once perfected but i think that it will not look anything like Darwinian evolution but more like Lamarc's version, i think that is his name.

Yes that is true but don't forget that the Bible was not written by Jesus but by his students. The philosophy and logic of it might be right even though the dates might be off (because they could be made by his students and Jesus Himself).

I think evolutionism is closer to the truth too but still it is far away! Besides, all of our research had been done in the last centuries! This is a very tough question and will give incredible knowledge if answered. But it will take some time... actually it will take a lot of time to be answered!!! Specially if the answer involves God. If He exists, it will take a long time for science to admit that!

EDIT: the msn thing was really funny and very true!!!

[Biff]

Yes that is true but don't forget that the Bible was not written by Jesus but by his students. The philosophy and logic of it might be right even though the dates might be off (because they could be made by his students and Jesus Himself).

true true, the bible wasn't actually written down for about 30 years after Jesus' death, so i think that many things will have been distorted and possibly simplified for people to understand.
think of a game of Chinese whispers (are you still allowed to say that or is it politically incorrect?) you say something to one person and they say it to someone else, and so on, by the time it reaches the last person, only about 20 people later it is completely different, imagine that for 30 years...

back to evolution, i think that Darwin is correct, when you study biology at the smallest levels natural selection is evident.


also, just a ponder, who was or wasn't taught about creationism and evolution at school?

[leshinor]

Well I was taught about both at school. I learned about creationism from a young age and then about evolutionism in high school. Well I had heard about the ape-concept from lower school but nobody really taught me about it.

I believe that the knowledge we get in an early age influences the way we think a lot. Usually, the things we learn when we are young we accept as universal truths while we don't even wager on the things that contradict them. For example, I was taught about Christianity from a young age and it took me a long time to start questioning christianity's beliefs. I am not saying that christianity is wrong, I am simply noticing that we need to be careful because we might find that some of the things we have been believing for years might be wrong.

[Zaraki]

Originally Posted by Biff

true true, the bible wasn't actually written down for about 30 years after Jesus' death, so i think that many things will have been distorted and possibly simplified for people to understand.
think of a game of Chinese whispers (are you still allowed to say that or is it politically incorrect?) you say something to one person and they say it to someone else, and so on, by the time it reaches the last person, only about 20 people later it is completely different, imagine that for 30 years...

back to evolution, i think that Darwin is correct, when you study biology at the smallest levels natural selection is evident.


also, just a ponder, who was or wasn't taught about creationism and evolution at school?

i was taught both i went to a christian school from k-8 then public 9-12....old testament was written before Christ, and new testament was written during Christ's time on earth and after his death. no idea when someone decided to combine them into one book.

[Viduus]

So far I haven't seen anything that can invalidate Evolution in this thread that can't be shot down by 8th grade science. I'm going to stick to the theory which has solid proof (yes, there are some things left to be explained but there IS solid proof), and not the one which relies strictly on "Because God told me so".

[Lince]

I hate each extreme too much to take a solid side.
I say God or whoever created the universe with a BIG BANG and then evolution took place with his/her/its supervision, forming the human race.
But I'm a freak, so whatever. :P

And any religious person who can't agree with that.. WHY?

[leshinor]

Originally Posted by Viduus

So far I haven't seen anything that can invalidate Evolution in this thread that can't be shot down by 8th grade science. I'm going to stick to the theory which has solid proof (yes, there are some things left to be explained but there IS solid proof), and not the one which relies strictly on "Because God told me so".

Then what do you think about the following? Do you believe God exists?

Originally Posted by leshinor

If God doesn't exist then I can't help but feel that humanity doesn't have any purpose. Look at the animals. Are we the same with them? Is our purpose for existing solely to reproduce and let our species survive? Our we parts of a huge machine called Nature? But even if we are and our purpose is to keep Nature going, then what is Nature's purpose? Just existing as well?
That could be but then everything in this world that humans and nature have achieved would be meaningless wouldn't it? I cannot but think that there is something else too. Our purpose for being born could not be simply to reproduce and then die in order to give birth to others. There must be a reason that we exist, that the world exists. I am not talking about merely individuals here but humanity in general. So the only logical explanation I can find is God. Our existence has a purpose, maybe in the afterlife or maybe a purpose we cannot comprehend that is related to God. Aristotle said that everything in the world is created for a purpose. For example, a house is meant to shelter humans, a car to transport, a set of clothes to keep a human warm, etc (of course these are my examples not Aristotle's). Thus, he concluded that humanity must also have a higher purpose.
The people that do not believe in God (not any particular religion) must agree to this, there is no higher purpose in humanity. Individually we might seek our daily pleasures and try to live happily but in general Nature, the Universe, Cosmos, whichever you like, has no purpose. It is a well-oiled machine that exists for nothing.
Well I cannot sympathize with that and so I believe there is a God and that He affected evolution.

[FlrcntKnht]

well in response i say who is to say that there is not. Existentially speaking the purpose could be one of personal identification or transcendence beyond this reality. God does give purpose to this world but only in a temporal sense. The higher purpose is just something that i will agree can not be understood or may not even exist but the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence to get all cliche but then again same could be said for the existence of God