Freedom

AyumiBee · 09-25-2008

I have read this sentence from my favourite writer: "Freedom? That's a statue in New York!" What do you think does freedom exist? Your personal freedom is really existing? Doesn't your freedom gives disadvatage to others?
Do you think that the write was pessimist when she wrote this sarcastic sentence or it's realistic?

quietchat · 09-25-2008

I think the idea was that the person who stated that, meant that Freedom is somthing that is hard to obtain, a place where you give up everything you know for a concept that may not even exist, but for whatever the risk they take that chance. That's the main idea of Immigration after all. Of course saying that it's a statue in New York, he may instead be referring that Freedom is a lie, it's only symbol being the Statue of Liberty. In this there would be no such thing as freedom, it's just a false hope. So, this could be taken several ways.

**leerock89** · 09-25-2008

Freedom is just an illusion made by us to make ourselves feel better about our choices. There is no such thing as freedom and there never will be, at least not for us humans.

Viduus · 09-26-2008

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Originally Posted by leerock89

Freedom is just an illusion made by us to make ourselves feel better about our choices. There is no such thing as freedom and there never will be, at least not for us humans.

I like to think you're free to do whatever you want, as long as you're ready to deal with the consequences of those actions.

**Russkie** · 09-26-2008

I guess it depends on what you would call "freedom". Personaly, I believe there is such thing as free agency. But not everyone has it, obviously.

**Koopaking** · 09-27-2008

I agree with what leerock said, we can pretend we are as "free" as we want, but in the end we really aren't. But I've heard the phrase "Freedom comes at a price" somewhere before. If it comes at a price it really isn't free, is it?

**spirit** · 09-27-2008

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Originally Posted by leerock89

Freedom is just an illusion made by us to make ourselves feel better about our choices. There is no such thing as freedom and there never will be, at least not for us humans.

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Originally Posted by Koopaking

I agree with what leerock said, we can pretend we are as "free" as we want, but in the end we really aren't. But I've heard the phrase "Freedom comes at a price" somewhere before. If it comes at a price it really isn't free, is it?

I must agree with both of you. Last year I wrote a research paper on "freedom" in USA, and one of my reflections was that there is no such thing as "freedom," or should I say... freedom is not for free. Depending on your point of you and philosophy of life - you might belong to the group of people who are overly positive about the life and the things we are giving in this world. Yet on the other hand, aren't those just lies.. or (as leerock described it) illusions we want to believe in? Because it sounds easier to accept and comprehend by the mass of human beings.
"Freedom" is a relative slogan. What do you consider as "freedom"?

Viduus · 09-28-2008

Is it possible to have total freedom without having complete anarchy?

**leerock89** · 09-28-2008

Why not have both? The whole ideal behind anarchy is that the individual can take care of him/herself without any outside help, order or law. That would be true freedom, but even then there is no such thing as true freedom. As is said in one of my favorite animes, "Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost."

**Russkie** · 09-28-2008

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Originally Posted by leerock89

Why not have both? The whole ideal behind anarchy is that the individual can take care of him/herself without any outside help, order or law. That would be true freedom, but even then there is no such thing as true freedom. As is said in one of my favorite animes, "Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost."

But thats the funny thing about it! People cant take care of themselves! People are basicly sheepdogs with a piece a shrapnel sticking out of their bonts when it comes to thinking "whats best?".

And besides, what about the fact that there are plenty of naughty people out there who find enjoyment in taking away the life of others? Say for the sake of example... me? Who will stop me from killing you and your family, wearing your skin, and eating your organs?

In a place of Anarchy, certianly not "the law".

One last thing, explain to me how that quote from Full Metal Alchemist has any relevance to this argument?

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