The race for the presidency

[Gogo]

I like where Obama stands on schools, health care and the war. I also like how he's seems a little more genuine then other pres candidate in previous years.

Not so much into Hillary since a couple years ago when she stood alongside with Jack Thompson and belittled Video games and gamers, saying they were all indifferent to violence and that video games are evil, well in a nutshell anyway.

[leerock89]

//everybodys lying so i dont no wat to believe in,i mean look at george bush,thats a fine example//

true, but let me guess u dont trust him cause of what u see on tv and wat happened at 9/11. otherwise he was a pretty good president. he did land the nation in one heck of a debt but theres some policies he started, that, even though we wont see them in affect for awhile, will do this crounty alot of good. for presidents and high ranking politicians u have to go behind the scenes and try to see wat their doing to affect our nation. on the other hand he made terrible jokes, didnt know how to speak in public when he first started, and looks like a fool! as a person i hate him but as a politician he wasnt all to bad. and its a politicians job to lie to people. the better the lair the more money they have to do w/e they want. wat u want is a politician that actually gives a crap.

[Crymson]

There is always something to consider, that the president will have to suffer for the policies of the previous president (ie, what Clinton did wrong Bush had to deal with, what Bush did(does) wrong McCain or Clinton/Obama will have to deal with, etc).

The reasons politicians lie is because we don't like the truth. Americans want to hear nice things, great things about peace, love, and low taxes. we don't want to hear the truth about war, corruption, and political maneuvering. Look at what John Kerry did, told everyone exactly what they wanted to hear, even if it meant changing what he stood for at every rally.

And you know, maybe socialism isn't such a bad thing. You all seem to have a problem with rich white men, liars, and people who are bought and sold by big business and labor unions. so why not socialism? (Though maybe that needs its own thread)

[leerock89]

Originally Posted by Crymson

The reasons politicians lie is because we don't like the truth. Americans want to hear nice things, great things about peace, love, and low taxes. we don't want to hear the truth about war, corruption, and political maneuvering. Look at what John Kerry did, told everyone exactly what they wanted to hear, even if it meant changing what he stood for at every rally.

straight took the words out of my mouth. thats why americans are considered prude and stupid. they bitch and scream for the truth, freedom of speech and wat nots but when they get it they turn violent wanting someone to blame for the smallest thing and making it very hard to the people trying to work for them to do their job right.

[Ariya]

Socialism = Higher Taxes
Higher Taxes = Unhappy Americans

Plus, I just don't think Hillary is right for the job. I mean, it would be great to have a female president, but this is not the time. With the War, future war debt, etc. I don't think she'll know how to handle it. Keeping our troops over seas is hella better than having terrorist attacks over here. Think about it, do you want to bring the soldiers home and have Terrorist fighting over here, or do you want to keep the troops in the Middle East keeping us safer over here?

[Crymson]

So you want McCain. Obama wants a complete pullout in 12 months. Hillary is either 24 or 36 months. I can't remember which. either way she's got a longer time table.

[Ariya]

I guess I want McCain, then. But really, my guy dropped out of the race.

[Crymson]

My hope would not be that you vote for who I want (well, I do but...) that anyone voting researches the candidates and makes an educated decision.

anyway, Hillary wants to pull out by 2013 (thats 5 years from now, for the math challenged). And Obama is for a pullout in 16 months.
source http://politics.nytimes.com/election...didateB=allDem

leerock89: I thought the world ended in 2000?

[leerock89]

screw it then!! i heard that the world was going to end in 2012 so it doesnt matter which one we choose!! WE ALL GONNA DIE!!

[Crymson]

How did you move that below me Leerock89? oh well.