Our President Barack Obama

[coconikki]

Originally Posted by mellowguy

You people are kind of creepy. I think he's doing a great job. Yeah, he has to keep making payments on bush's mistakes, but if you take a look not at the commentary but at what he's actually been doing, you can see he's starting to make progress. More importantly, we all know the world was tired with America's way of doing business under Bush. One of the most important things Obama is doing right now is showing the rest of the world that the USA isn't the arrogant pig it used to be.

How dare you call me creepy!!

[mellowguy]

Originally Posted by Zaraki

yeah more like retards. :/ he's already spent more than bush has, or at least will spend way more. bailing out the dead beats is never the greatest idea and even though he said there will be higher taxes on the wealthy middle class will be feeling it more.

The only point I can be mutually worried about is his spending habits. Bailing out dead beats? That was Bush's idea. Look at it this way, get a guy (the banks) addicted to heroin/any incredibly addicting drug (government money). Then cut him off cold turkey. Know what happens? It's not pretty. I'd rather have a warm vegetable than a corpse. And how do you know that since there will be higher taxes on the wealthy that the middle class will feel it more? how could that possibly work? He's cutting taxes for the entire middle class. When the top 10% of the population has 86% of the income of the entire united states, you can bet that I would tax the rich more. It hasn't been this bad since the great depression, and I can only hope we can agree that we don't need another one.

[Zaraki]

Originally Posted by mellowguy

The only point I can be mutually worried about is his spending habits. Bailing out dead beats? That was Bush's idea. Look at it this way, get a guy (the banks) addicted to heroin/any incredibly addicting drug (government money). Then cut him off cold turkey. Know what happens? It's not pretty. I'd rather have a warm vegetable than a corpse. And how do you know that since there will be higher taxes on the wealthy that the middle class will feel it more? how could that possibly work? He's cutting taxes for the entire middle class. When the top 10% of the population has 86% of the income of the entire united states, you can bet that I would tax the rich more. It hasn't been this bad since the great depression, and I can only hope we can agree that we don't need another one.

yeah that we don't need. it was on fox news who explained it, but i honestly forget how that was going to happen. so spreading the wealth is fine? wanted to say something else but forget now.

[runt32a]

well with how hes running things now i really dont like him i think he had the right idea in change but the way he wants to change things is not the right idea to me. improving the "health care" is a good idea but it should be improved where the people of the nation can afford it so it should be where the "health care" can make a payment where the people of the nation can afford it for the fact that the government laws and military was all created to protect the individles their property and their liberty are the three basic things that every human should till they cross the line to where having it taken away is the consquenes for the fact that nothing is free you have to fight and protect those three basic things that you are in ways born with. you are born with your freedom your liberty and your individlatiy in the USA the reason why i did not say your freedom in the first three is because in other parts of the world the people of some nations are not free like the people of the USA's nation but that is my opion so who am i really to say

[Zaraki]

Originally Posted by mellowguy

The only point I can be mutually worried about is his spending habits. Bailing out dead beats? That was Bush's idea. Look at it this way, get a guy (the banks) addicted to heroin/any incredibly addicting drug (government money). Then cut him off cold turkey. Know what happens? It's not pretty. I'd rather have a warm vegetable than a corpse. And how do you know that since there will be higher taxes on the wealthy that the middle class will feel it more? how could that possibly work? He's cutting taxes for the entire middle class. When the top 10% of the population has 86% of the income of the entire united states, you can bet that I would tax the rich more. It hasn't been this bad since the great depression, and I can only hope we can agree that we don't need another one.

how do you know he won't raise taxes on everyone else as well? in order to pay for everything that he wants is going to cost a lot of money. that's going to be one hell of a tax increase on the rich in order to pay for it. now what if it comes to the point where the rich couldn't pay their taxes because of the increase? that'll possibly mean the middle-class, and lower-class will be taxed. yes bush did come up with the idea to start bail out for those who need it. hell obama lied about the stimulus package, knowing it was full of pork. he said it was to help those who need it and help creating jobs right away, which it hasn't. yes i know it'll get worse before it gets better, and his approval rating now under 50%. so far he's just proving my point and other's point that he doesn't know what he is doing. only thing we can agree on is like you said we don't need another depression. i swear to god i do not want to hear hope and change use in someone's campaign ever again.

[runt32a]

yea i know what you mean but there are some things that has to be changed i do agree with what you are saying and that we don't need another drepression the why it is called "The Great Depression" is because no one expect it to happen agian like "The Great WAr" now more known as "World War 1" if we have another Drepression its going to be called something like "The World Depression" mostly if it effects the whole world more with how income and outcome taxes would have to rise for other countries to buy our stuff and import their stuff into our country or am I wrong about that? Please do correct me if I am wrong in any way

[mellowguy]

Originally Posted by Zaraki

how do you know he won't raise taxes on everyone else as well? in order to pay for everything that he wants is going to cost a lot of money. that's going to be one hell of a tax increase on the rich in order to pay for it. now what if it comes to the point where the rich couldn't pay their taxes because of the increase? that'll possibly mean the middle-class, and lower-class will be taxed. yes bush did come up with the idea to start bail out for those who need it. hell obama lied about the stimulus package, knowing it was full of pork. he said it was to help those who need it and help creating jobs right away, which it hasn't. yes i know it'll get worse before it gets better, and his approval rating now under 50%. so far he's just proving my point and other's point that he doesn't know what he is doing. only thing we can agree on is like you said we don't need another depression. i swear to god i do not want to hear hope and change use in someone's campaign ever again.

If he starts taxing the middle class and the poor, I'll cut my very real life expensive top hat into very little pieces and eat them. It will be like eating my words, except it will be my soul. I mean really, first of all, he said he wouldn't. Letting pork into a bill is one thing (and I mean to debate that point later), lying to people about taxes is quite another, and not one that he could get away with. More importantly, why would he need to? That statistic I put up here is accurate- the top 10 percent of Americans have more wealth than the bottom 86 percent. If he only taxed the top 10 percent of people, he would be taxing more than 86 percent of this nations wealth. Unless he plans on buying China, I don't think he'll need to tax poor little us.

Oh yes, the pork. I think it's a good thing. I mean, pork spending is when a congressperson sets aside money in a bill for projects in their district, right? How do those projects get done? Pork spending to one is another 50 to 100 jobs somewhere else. Pork projects help the economy in a localized area, not the country, is all. I mean, it's not like they were building a bridge in Alaska to an island with 7 people on it... exceptions do occur, but they are helpful.

[runt32a]

umm true..........

[Zaraki]

Originally Posted by mellowguy

If he starts taxing the middle class and the poor, I'll cut my very real life expensive top hat into very little pieces and eat them. It will be like eating my words, except it will be my soul. I mean really, first of all, he said he wouldn't. Letting pork into a bill is one thing (and I mean to debate that point later), lying to people about taxes is quite another, and not one that he could get away with. More importantly, why would he need to? That statistic I put up here is accurate- the top 10 percent of Americans have more wealth than the bottom 86 percent. If he only taxed the top 10 percent of people, he would be taxing more than 86 percent of this nations wealth. Unless he plans on buying China, I don't think he'll need to tax poor little us.

Oh yes, the pork. I think it's a good thing. I mean, pork spending is when a congressperson sets aside money in a bill for projects in their district, right? How do those projects get done? Pork spending to one is another 50 to 100 jobs somewhere else. Pork projects help the economy in a localized area, not the country, is all. I mean, it's not like they were building a bridge in Alaska to an island with 7 people on it... exceptions do occur, but they are helpful.

yes the pork that was in the bill can create jobs, but how long will those jobs last and how many jobs would be available? i'm not saying all pork is completely bad even though there still is a reason why it's called pork. for example when they were talking about the stim package that was supposed to go dayton, ohio was a whore house. if i remember right in ohio prostitution is illegal. now what would be the point of having one if that was the case. maybe i should say how would that benefit the people of dayton? ok i know i'm starting to ramble, but trying to make a point about it even though it's a crude example.

Pork projects help the economy in a localized area, not the country, is all.

if it helps the economy of that area how would it still be pork? my definition of pork money would be money going to certain projects an localized area, state, or entire country does not need. alright it could help the economy some, but could it cause a major boost? depends what it is.

now going to the tax on the wealthy something about that still rubs me off in the wrong way. 10% of wealthy americans is till a small amount of people (i could be wrong). like i said earlier that's going to be one hell of a tax increase, and when i made that comment earlier i was playing devil's advocate because of all obama's plans for the country. like the healthcare system. i do agree there needs to be some changes in it, but does it need to be socialized? i don't believe it should. what it should be i don't honestly know considering the only option i've been hearing lately is to socialize it. buying china? china already owns us and our souls, but that's another whole debate. xD

[mellowguy]

the whore house is an example of a synecdoche, of a part representing the whole- which is flawed simply because one cannot represent the whole in any system. Mistakes and exceptions happen. Also, pork is every localized project sponsored by the country- good and bad.

Hate to bring the FDR to the forums, but he was probably the lord of pork before the war- tried just about everything to get people jobs. He did okay, not really failing, but it was the war that finally hoisted us out. Now, I really don't want a big war, but the parallels are similar: Obama just needs to find a way out without WWIII.

Reforming healthcare and all the local projects are like taking out a huge loan to buy a house, or to go to college. Yeah, we're going to be in debt for 20 years now, but we have a place to live, or a chance to get a life.