Gay Marriage

[Zaraki]

Originally Posted by hsb39

And I am arguing against that because I more that believe that it is incorrect. Put it this way, could you choose? Try it, start having a sexual attraction towards your gender... now! Your sexual preference is not about feeling comfortable or influence from parents, or thinking that it is wrong, it is a sexual feeling. It's fairly easy to tell. As I have said before, people kill themselves because they think that they have a choice when they do not.

Actually the environment a child grows up in will mostly likely have a effect on how they might turn out when they get older. Both of my aunts on my dad's side are liberal. Their kids are liberal as well because that's how they were raised and they also lived in a very liberal community. I have a friend back in high school who grew up with gay parents. He isn't gay in fact he's one hell of a ladies man. His parents would tell him he would have no choice in the matter he was going to be gay and like it. My friend didn't like that lifestyle his dads had and decided he doesn't want to end up like them and tell his kids why they don't have a mother.

No offense but just saying it's not a choice and come up w/ a excuse to make it sound like being gay is natural really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. People who commit suicide because of that are being told by other people that you have no choice and start to believe them then eventually when they are so in the dumps they kill themselves because of that. You have a free will. The choice on how you want to run your life is up to you. You always always have a choice.

The gay and bi friends I have say it's a choice. They have chosen that kind of lifestyle because they do feel comfortable with it. They have tried being w/ the opposite and doesn't work out for them. Then they decided maybe they could do better with the same.

[hsb39]

Originally Posted by Zaraki

Actually the environment a child grows up in will mostly likely have a effect on how they might turn out when they get older. Both of my aunts on my dad's side are liberal. Their kids are liberal as well because that's how they were raised and they also lived in a very liberal community. I have a friend back in high school who grew up with gay parents. He isn't gay in fact he's one hell of a ladies man. His parents would tell him he would have no choice in the matter he was going to be gay and like it. My friend didn't like that lifestyle his dads had and decided he doesn't want to end up like them and tell his kids why they don't have a mother.

Your using an example of opinion there, that it incredibly different. This is a sexual feeling, you've got to be sexually attracted to your gender, really try it, I promise that you won't succeed.

No offense but just saying it's not a choice and come up w/ a excuse to make it sound like being gay is natural really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. People who commit suicide because of that are being told by other people that you have no choice and start to believe them then eventually when they are so in the dumps they kill themselves because of that. You have a free will. The choice on how you want to run your life is up to you. You always always have a choice.

You have a choice about what you do, not about your sexual feelings, to all males here: do you choose when you get your erections? Using Zaraki's logic you should be able to. And read some of the storys about those people who kill themselves, and try to bring some respect into it, I don't know anyone who has done it and your remarks still offend me. You used the word natural, I should point out the existence of gay animals when the word natural is flown about.

I talked about the people who have killed themselves, but I have said nothing about those who didn't. People have been thrown out of their houses, discriminated against, and killed. If they had a choice, what do you think that they would have chosen.

The gay and bi friends I have say it's a choice. They have chosen that kind of lifestyle because they do feel comfortable with it. They have tried being w/ the opposite and doesn't work out for them. Then they decided maybe they could do better with the same.

They have tried being with the opposite and they don't feel attracted to them. Sexual preference is not about comfortability, its about a sexual feeling (if I haven't said it enough). Ask your friends whether they choose who they are attracted to.

[analogZero]

I have to say zaraki, that the entire influence of sexual orientation isn't solely based on that of your parents. By the time you reach the age of puberty, you've likely spent as much time under the influence of your parents as you have to those in the outside world. The concept of sex isn't developed until latter years of childhood. And even then it's often heard about more on the playground then it is from the parents. The numerous social influences a child will encounter can easily outweigh those of any parent(s). It seems you're not taking these and many other factors into account. If anything you can argue that homosexuality is a defect of genetics, or faulty chromosomes. that chemical X is being replaced by chemical Y when the brain does it's work. That their naturally inhabited response to reproduction is confused. Though all these things can be argued in opposition to those who are straight. You can choose what to eat when your body tells you you're hungry. But do you choose what makes you salivate? You can choose what will entertain you when you're bored. But do you choose what makes you laugh and cry? You can choose to have sex with a man or a woman when you're horny. But which will make you cum?

[AyumiBee]

So the gens what makes your sexual orientation, you can't do anything against it. There are examples in the wild too. And about homosexuals being punished by death is completely incorrect for me.

[analogZero]

Originally Posted by AyumiBee

So the gens what makes your sexual orientation, you can't do anything against it. There are examples in the wild too. And about homosexuals being punished by death is completely incorrect for me.

Well that's a scientific explanation I've heard, amongst a few. But I wasn't setting down a straight fact, just a hypothetical argument. I'd call it nature more than anything. anybody seen the crying game, and the tale of the frog and the scorpion?

the scorpion, wishing to cross a stream, asked the frog to let him ride his back over the stream. When the frog asked the scorpion how he could be sure that the scorpion would not sting him, the scorpion replied that if he did sting him, it would mean death by drowning for both of them. The frog complies, carrying the scorpion on its back across the stream. Before they reach the other side, however, the frog feels pain and realizes that the scorpion has stung him. He protests, "Why did you sting me, Mr. Scorpion? For now we both will drown!" The scorpion replies, "I can't help it, it's in my nature."

[Zaraki]

Originally Posted by analogZero

I have to say zaraki, that the entire influence of sexual orientation isn't solely based on that of your parents. By the time you reach the age of puberty, you've likely spent as much time under the influence of your parents as you have to those in the outside world. The concept of sex isn't developed until latter years of childhood. And even then it's often heard about more on the playground then it is from the parents. The numerous social influences a child will encounter can easily outweigh those of any parent(s). It seems you're not taking these and many other factors into account. If anything you can argue that homosexuality is a defect of genetics, or faulty chromosomes. that chemical X is being replaced by chemical Y when the brain does it's work. That their naturally inhabited response to reproduction is confused. Though all these things can be argued in opposition to those who are straight. You can choose what to eat when your body tells you you're hungry. But do you choose what makes you salivate? You can choose what will entertain you when you're bored. But do you choose what makes you laugh and cry? You can choose to have sex with a man or a woman when you're horny. But which will make you cum?

actually i have taken that into account that's what i meant about the environment they have grown up in.

[analogZero]

but if that's the case, then it doesn't matter if you have gay parents, you could still end up any number of gender or sexual orientations. It may not simply be as simple as outside stimulus is what I'm saying. Homo/trans/bi/pan/etc.sexuality is as likely to be inherent as it is to be developmental external influence. Otherwise gay parents would produce gay children and straight parents would create straight children and single parents would create asexuals and kids that masturbate. and there's too many kids who masturbate to account for all the single parents in the world.

[Nightmare]

Originally Posted by analogZero

I have to say zaraki, that the entire influence of sexual orientation isn't solely based on that of your parents. By the time you reach the age of puberty, you've likely spent as much time under the influence of your parents as you have to those in the outside world. The concept of sex isn't developed until latter years of childhood. And even then it's often heard about more on the playground then it is from the parents. The numerous social influences a child will encounter can easily outweigh those of any parent(s). It seems you're not taking these and many other factors into account. If anything you can argue that homosexuality is a defect of genetics, or faulty chromosomes. that chemical X is being replaced by chemical Y when the brain does it's work. That their naturally inhabited response to reproduction is confused. Though all these things can be argued in opposition to those who are straight. You can choose what to eat when your body tells you you're hungry. But do you choose what makes you salivate? You can choose what will entertain you when you're bored. But do you choose what makes you laugh and cry? You can choose to have sex with a man or a woman when you're horny. But which will make you cum?

This is a valid point and a theory that is gaining more and more support is the scientific community. It goes like this your emotions are less effected by environment that by genes; you don't necessarily react to things like your situation demands because genes affect you more than environment. That is not to say the environment has no effect just that it has much less than we thought. Meaning there are no soles in humans giving them emotions it's just another thing we humans used as an excuse to rase ourselves up above other animals (little wonder it is part of religion). Witch also means likely as not animals also have emotions... kind of makes you want to become a vegetarian huh?

[leoern]

I think that gay marriage should be legalized the homosexual community should be able to find happiness its in the basic rights of men to have a pursuit of happiness and when we say they cant be happy were saying they arent humans and no one has the right to say that to anyone and anyone who thinks there wrong have you stopped to think that maybe were all wrong and there right or maybe just maybe we are all right (my beleif) i am a heterosexual male and im not saying im normal around gay people to me its weird and i am ashamed i feel that way however i would never stop being someones friend if i found out they were gay so what i am saying is dont rip on or discrimanate against gay people were all human and have the rights of humanity and no one should be an ass hole just cuz someone is different.

anyway thats what i think

[damnedmylz]

wow! this thread is still alive!

go gay marriage!

Dont mind what people have to say!

its your own life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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