ergh Georgie is getting on my nerves >.<

[sasnin14]

George W. Bush went over to Egypt to partner up with them (or something like that) but DANG! My grandma was from Egypt and it gets me mad that now my grandma's country is partner up with this idiot..*sigh* i hope that Georgie don't make/ uses Egypt for his own devilishes plans...let's just hope...:(

[Jack]

I get irritated with people that make fun of and bash George W. Bush for the job that he does just because most of the rest of the country does the exact same thing. They're a bunch of followers that don't even have an opinion on the subject. I can see it's prominent in a lot of today's younger youth and they need to zip it if they don't know what they're talking about, in my opinion. All they can do is flame Bush and laugh with their little friends but ask them to delve any deeper into the subject and they chicken out because that's just it, they don't know anything more on it. It's just another sick creation of America's modern society: a desperate, lonely and naive generation that doesn't give a crap about "what really matters". :/

By the by, this is in no way directed at you, sasnin14.

I'm just blowing off some steam.
-Jack

[1,000,000]

Heh, I don't think he'll talk much more about this subject

[sasnin14]

*calms down* before i act stupid and really bring my a-game to what Jack just said. I want to state, that there is "kids" as u might say, that know a lot more stuff that adults in the USA might even think about. I have been in and outside the bubble( by bubble i mean the USA) i know how other ppl (latinos) see the united states, and it's really different then what ppl from USA think they know how the latinos look at them. Don't u ever wonder what's on the other side of the hill? Jack, and at first i was really offended, but i'm not no more after u said it wasn't directed to me :p But still, me as a kid, want to tell u, that i might not know as much as u and any other adult out there, know about Bush. But the thing i know is, that with all the power he has, and all the good things he could do. Does he do any of the good things? And what does he now want and do?Wants: He wants more power, (lol, addictive game) and by that, he wants the oil over in Irak. Does: He uses the soldiers in the armie to fight in Irak, take over, and take the oil. So here, what he is doing is, putting the life of soldiers of the USA in danger, for oil(power). So he shows that he cares more of something material then his country itself. From my opinion that's pretty messed up. And i'm sorry if i have offended someone in any kind of way.
~sassy~

[Jack]

I actually agree with you in that Bush could be doing a better job as President of the United States but I disagree with you in that going into Iraq was a mistake. In my opinion, he was honestly attempting to make the living conditions for people being treated like slaves under a tyrant leader better, whether they wanted his help or not. I'm also willing to bet that the people who were rooting for Sadam were Iraqis who either:

A) ...took Sadam's side out of fear for their lives. The common man.
or
B) ...felt the need to aid the person who had them in a position where they were corrupting the government for their own personal gain. In other words, greedy, evil bastards.

...and with Sadam having control over Iraq's oil as well as a royally self-centered thirst for power and complete obedience from his rivals, he may have risen to be an even greater threat to the US(and the rest of the world) had we not taken him out when we did.

I'd also like to add that the people preaching that we should end the war in Iraq appear to me to be selfish. They're only thinking of themselves and how they feel, never even glancing outside of the perfect little make-believe world that they've constructed within their own mindset. Think of how the Iraqi people were constantly living in fear of the very person who was supposed to protect them. Sure, those flaming liberals may miss their loved ones but it's all a part of war and joining the military. Some things are necessary such as sacrificing time spent with your family for the betterment of the world. If we were to pull out of Iraq and send all of our soldiers home, the surviving insurgent camps would simply run right back in and take the country over again and we'd see another evil idiot rise to power. The process would just start over. It would be like giving up the race before seeing the finish line.

But I agree, Bush may not be the best guy for the job. He could have done so much more with the time he spent in office, in my opinion. But I think that his decision to go to war was made with the absolute best intentions.

To anyone that I may have offended:
Too bad.


-Jack
P.S. The fact that you're 13 years old gives me hope for America's youth.

[sasnin14]

hmm thanks jack.
There is no way a regular person may actually know 100%, when it comes down to Bush's intentions toward going to Irak to fight. But, when you said that his intentions where toward helping ppl over in irak, I was stunned. If he's intentions were to help them out, why would he kill them? There was bombs exploded and kids died, not to mention the grannies and adults.
So my question to your statement is: If he did go to Irak to safe/free the ppl from this person that was to protect them, but didn't, that would be stupid, not to say retarded, If he is just gonna blow them up.
And like i said before, I'm sorry if i have offended anyone.
~sassy~

[Jack]

Originally Posted by sasnin14

So my question to your statement is: If he did go to Irak to safe/free the ppl from this person that was to protect them, but didn't, that would be stupid, not to say retarded, If he is just gonna blow them up.

I'm not sure that I follow you, that sentence was in the form of a statement rather than a question.

In war, casualties are going to happen. If you look back throughout history, there has never been a war where innocent people were not harmed in the process. What, did you think that most of the world has labeled war as a "horrible" thing for no reason at all? Collateral almost always comes with conflict. Sure, I'd prefer it if we hadn't gone to war in the first place but the fact of the matter is that it had to be done. It has always needed to be done when there is a mentally unstable and ambitious man with nothing but evil intentions at heart rising to power. It's just the way that the world is and some people refuse to except it, but there's a point that some people come to where they have to realize that you cannot save everyone, you cannot change everyone, you cannot rule everyone and you certainly cannot avoid all of the wrong in the world. That much I can assure you.

-Jack

[sasnin14]

Jack it's ok, u don't have to answer my question. :p I mean why argue over something that is just IS, not something that we can actually change by arguing. ^^ see ya around ;)
~sassy~

[1,000,000]

So Jack I guess you're not a conspiracy theorist? haha

Genocide has riddled countries, and is still common in some areas. My point being, simple, but I feel effective, is that the overall reason the American military are involved with the middle-east is for it's oil. I'm not saying that they're not helping, they are doing what they can. And once we think all is good and fine, that cycle you have mentioned will inevitably happen once again. A pointless war on terror? Or time well spent swimming with resources?
Maybe i'm stereotyping or being racist here (not my intentions, I believe what I see and hear. Probably influenced by the Media like it or not. Or if I even realize it. The Media is a powerful tool), but I don't feel there is anyway to help them.
Create government, rebels do what they will.

Let's get our hands dirty


I lost interest in what I was saying, excuse me

*I forgot to add that I look forward to reading your reply. Maybe you can give me some other insight? I feel like i'm in the dark with most of my fellow Americans

[Jack]

Originally Posted by 1,000,000

So Jack I guess you're not a conspiracy theorist? haha

I wouldn't count myself out of that group of people just yet.

I think that, with some sway from his "advisers", George W. Bush made the decision to go to war in Iraq with the best intentions at first, which then may have silently turned into a grab at Iraq's abundance in oil, but it was instead at the fault of certain officials that were just looking out for number one. See, it is my belief that Bush has taken a lot of the brunt for his incapable team of staff which, on the other hand, is only there because of his poor ability to manage people. I believe that the US government has specks of corruption underneath the surface, while the American people seem to be blatantly corrupt as a whole right out in the open, yet, the majority of American citizens don't even realize the veil that the media has placed over their eyes or the strong grip that it has on their opinions. It takes a certain kind of person to break out of the trance the media seems to have people in. Too much focus is being kept from the people in some aspects. Now, it may seem like I've made a 180 here but note that in earlier posts I was supporting Bush's decision to take down Iraq's past tyrant and free the Iraqi people from a life of fear and non-fulfillment. I'm defending the idea that the deaths of our very own American soldiers held purpose; to the contrary of what most terribly left-wing liberals seem to think. It's only because of the loose, unsafe, overgrown and poorly managed government that the US has grown into that it's losing so much money and just plain not prospering.

Basically, the United States of America is in trouble, whether we want to face it or not.

To summarize things differently: I agree with you, 1,000,000, we're in Iraq for both reasons...

...to free a country ruled by terrorists...

...and to somehow get a hold of the gold mine that is Iraq's oil resources...

...but I disagree with most in that Bush is to blame for absolutely everything that has gone wrong in doing so. I think that he's just a nice, naive guy, who is not cut out for the job of president, that just got taken advantage of. The ideology that Bush is some psychopath, force of evil is just a strategically implanted concept into the minds of both young and old Americans alike by liberals with malicious intent.

I'm not sure if this was what you were looking for, 1,000,000, but I started typing where you left off and just went with it.

I'd also like to add that it isn't uncommon for me to have a strong disliking for and disinterest in politics, I just keep my eyes and ears open, that's all.

-Jack
P.S. We also took too long to survey Iraq for WMDs.