Gay Marriage

[hsb39]

How I generally start on a forum is a thread like this, I want to know what everyone thinks of Gay Marriage. I am for it, for the obvious reasons. I don't know if a thread about this has been made before, but I do know that it can turn into a great debate.

[AyumiBee]

It's weird but why can't they do the same thing what the heteros does?

[nosophoros]

I think that they should have the right to get maried

[fejknick]

It shouldn't even be called gay marriage.

Lets call it what it is: HUMAN-MARRIAGE ....

[strike7785]

Personally I really don't care if your gay or not. To be perfectly honest gay people are funny and cool to hang out with, HOWEVER when Im around them, I make it very clear that if you HIT ON ME I wil CUT IT OFF!!!:mad:

[Guardgirl]

i am for it cuz there is no reason why gays should not be able to get ,arried and nowwhere in the bible as plp say it is does it say a man and a woman of course in the new testment it does but not in the old testmentbut any way most of my friends are gay i am bi and if i were to ever marry a girl i would not be able too so it just pisses me off and I live in florida and the majority of florida voted against gay marriges

[leerock89]

I am SSOO against this. The Bible states that marriage is a sacred union between a man and a woman, blessed by the church and therefore God. To allow a man and a man or woman and a woman to enter into this holy union is an abomination to the Church and spits on Gods feet. Now I don't give a hoot if they live together or even share the benefits of a married couple, such as taxes and banking and emergencies, but to go to a church to get married is BAD BAD BAD. If they get recognized as a couple by way of court system or something like that I don't care, but don't take it to church, it doesn't belong there and should never be brought up in church. In all honesty I'm just waiting for our race as a collective to grow up and get rid of stupid beliefs such as religion. Then anyone can get married to anyone else, even anything else. And for those of you who really know me, you can just ignore this post as if it never existed eh??? You know you want to!!

[strike7785]

I am SSOO against this. The Bible states that marriage is a sacred union between a man and a woman, blessed by the church and therefore God. To allow a man and a man or woman and a woman to enter into this holy union is an abomination to the Church and spits on Gods feet. Now I don't give a hoot if they live together or even share the benefits of a married couple, such as taxes and banking and emergencies, but to go to a church to get married is BAD BAD BAD. If they get recognized as a couple by way of court system or something like that I don't care, but don't take it to church, it doesn't belong there and should never be brought up in church. In all honesty I'm just waiting for our race as a collective to grow up and get rid of stupid beliefs such as religion. Then anyone can get married to anyone else, even anything else. And for those of you who really know me, you can just ignore this post as if it never existed eh??? You know you want to!!

The only way to get rid of all the types of different religion is WAR. Other than that, I dont know

[ichigogirl]

i am for it cuz there is no reason why gays should not be able to get ,arried and nowwhere in the bible as plp say it is does it say a man and a woman of course in the new testment it does but not in the old testmentbut any way most of my friends are gay i am bi and if i were to ever marry a girl i would not be able too so it just pisses me off and I live in florida and the majority of florida voted against gay marriges

I agree with you Guardgirl, it's so the truth.
I am for it because, who is the government to tell Gay people that they can't get married. When you love someone you that someone it doesn't matter Man or Man women or women, and Man and women i

[quietchat]

Marriage should be a right between any two people who are consenting age and are actually in love. The bible goes against gay marriage, sure, but the bible is also said to be against those who have sex outside of wedlock. In this, not only by saying you are a sinner for being gay and wanting to marry someone of your own gender, but you also call them a sinner for not being able to wed, so having sex out of wedlock.

Other than this, it's wrong to base a book to judge for your entire life, your entire civilization. As a book of morals, don't steal, don't kill, it works fine, but with so many people who are openly gay, bi, whatever, there's no excuse to try and judge them.

[Waste]

Meh what the bible says would never be an issue for me, i dont believe in it, so i say go gay marriage! If god loves everyone then why should he give a fuck that two people of the same sex are in love? Is it because they cant make babies? Does god want us all to be baby making machines?
Lol.
Ye well, Gay, bi, lesbian, i dont care, its all cool. ^^

[Russkie]

I've said this before, and I'll say it again:

http://forums.filefront.com/attachments/spam-forum/64307d1213470029-de-motivational-posters-62906d1207103995-dumbest-protester-ever-redundancy.jpg

[Ino]

The bible said that God destroyed cities called Sodom and Gomorah because there was a couple that were Gay.

http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m472/reformislam/NoHomosexuals.gif

[Waste]

The bible said that God destroyed cities called Sodom and Gomorah because there was a couple that were Gay.

http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m472/reformislam/NoHomosexuals.gif

Well god is obviously still living in the past and not evolving with the world.
Or he's just shallow and close minded, kinda like my grandad.
XD

[leerock89]

This is why I said that type of union should not be done in, with or at a church, cause good ole' God can't seem to realize that people fall in love whether the race size creed or sexuality. Whats funny is even if the Church realized this and decided it was acceptable they would never be able to declare it publicly or it would go against Gods Word and that would make the whole entire religion worthless. I really don't care about gay's bi's interracial erotica or necrophilia, but alas the majority of this planet is filled with children in adult bodies and acceptance comes with a very heavy price, so we can sit here and argue/discuss this, or go out and have sex with anyone and anything.

[Nagataka]

who care let them be gay.. THere family is already in shame so let them just die of

[kokoro-ran]

i'm for it i like gay people they are fantastic
well also the thing that make hard men to marry a men is the religion that way i get reed of all the religion now i dont have any all i do is belive in god and live in harmony with my self

about any god you tolk lee what the hell if god wase the creature of the unvirse and humane how hi can not know that humans can fall in love with etch athore recarding the type male or female so if that god you tolk about dosent know that , so he has no right to judje us or mybe his not our real god
the god should now whats humans up to cause his the on how made us we can not surprise him
so i guess that you talk about a non real god

[soulten]

about any god you tolk lee what the hell if god wase the creature of the unvirse and humane how hi can not know that humans can fall in love with etch athore recarding the type male or female so if that god you tolk about dosent know that , so he has no right to judje us or mybe his not our real god
the god should now whats humans up to cause his the on how made us we can not surprise him
so i guess that you talk about a non real god

You say that as if god was real....and the typos probably destroyed your point

Anyway I don't care, has nothing to do with me.

[leerock89]

about any god you tolk lee what the hell if god wase the creature of the unvirse and humane how hi can not know that humans can fall in love with etch athore recarding the type male or female so if that god you tolk about dosent know that , so he has no right to judje us or mybe his not our real god
the god should now whats humans up to cause his the on how made us we can not surprise him
so i guess that you talk about a non real god

You want to know the real truth about God? He doesn't care. Why doesn't he care? Would you care if you've lived since the beginning of time? They say we were made in his image. Have you seen an elderly person give a crap about anything? God has to be a supremely old deity and I'm sure he got tired of it after the first 10 billion years. What people need to realize is that God doesnt tell them what to do and how to do it, it's people telling us what to do and how to do it. Is it God that is speaking on the podium of a church or is it a man/woman? Is it God saying we should go rape, murder, steal, help, heal, volunteer and save lives?? No it's all done my someone. So that fact of the matter is none of this REALLY matters. In life you decide what makes you happy and if believing in some deity who isn't doing anything makes you happy then go for it. If marrying someone who is the same sex as you makes you happy, go for it. If you feel like murdering someone, as bad as that is, if it makes you happy, go for it. Why? Why not?

[ylaixVK]

I am for same-sex marriage because 1) I'm bisexual. 2) The whole fact that we don't have it is because of RELIGIOUS BELIEFS. If you really think about how much of the world's population is catholic/christian related, then you'd see how big of a difference it is to the rest. 3) Prop 8 is NOT morally corrupt, but the world would like to see to it. 4) It shouldn't even matter who we would want to marry, because it's about the person's one feeling, not the world's. :mad:

In other words, I'm all for same-sex marriage and it's not right that we're not allowed to marry who we would want.

Ahaha, I can go on and on :oo:

[Ryuuzaki]

Ya know, I don't get why people preach about God when this topic comes up and about the Bible. I haven't read all of yall's posts since they're rather long, but seriously? God has nothing to do with this. Sure, in the Bible it says something about going against gay marriage, but who cares? No one! It's a frickin' Bible. I'm probably just saying that because I'm anti-religious that I'm saying all this, but still... A marriage is a bond of two people who love and care for each other. If those two people are both of the same gender, why should that stop them for getting married? I'm personally all for gay marriage.

[BlueSano]

Ya know, I don't get why people preach about God when this topic comes up and about the Bible. I haven't read all of yall's posts since they're rather long, but seriously? God has nothing to do with this. Sure, in the Bible it says something about going against gay marriage, but who cares? No one! It's a frickin' Bible. I'm probably just saying that because I'm anti-religious that I'm saying all this, but still... A marriage is a bond of two people who love and care for each other. If those two people are both of the same gender, why should that stop them for getting married? I'm personally all for gay marriage.


well you are kinda contradicting our self...if you are anti-religiouse... why should you even believe in marrege ... i mean basically marrege started off from religions.. and another think ..let's not take it from the religion prespective.... in general ..what good could come out of gay marrages... thik hare..yes correct nothing... they will probably end up dying from some desies or somethig..not to mention the damage they caused the ppl around them... plus imagine ..if the all the ppl were marride gay couples ...in other words man kind will be finished .. so that is basically why i am against it .... but i do not care if you are gay or not... just behave your self infront of me and we are cool ^^

[Vakarak]

Ya know, I don't get why people preach about God when this topic comes up and about the Bible. I haven't read all of yall's posts since they're rather long,and so on.

I don't believe in God anymore... and well most of your "god related posts" are very long :P i support gay marriages mostly because I don't care. I never went communion so i can't get married in a church of god... nor can i tell off everyone because of their religion (which I am pretty damn sure nobody practices on a regular basis)

Instead consider this: most of my friends' parents are divorced... most of my family is divorced, most of my community is divorced.... as far as marriage goes... it's a bloody lie. If you don't want gays to marry wtf do you get out of it huh?

EDIT: I'm pretty sure they had at least two threads like this one already...

[Ryuuzaki]

well you are kinda contradicting our self...if you are anti-religiouse... why should you even believe in marrege ... i mean basically marrege started off from religions.. and another think ..let's not take it from the religion prespective.... in general ..what good could come out of gay marrages... thik hare..yes correct nothing... they will probably end up dying from some desies or somethig..not to mention the damage they caused the ppl around them... plus imagine ..if the all the ppl were marride gay couples ...in other words man kind will be finished .. so that is basically why i am against it .... but i do not care if you are gay or not... just behave your self infront of me and we are cool ^^

I had the read that a ton of times. Way too many typos and dots. Anyway, even if it started out as a religious thing, it's not anymore. At least, not really. It's more like it's tradition to be wedded by a Priest and in a Church and such, but being bonded together has nothing to do with God. At least in my eyes it doesn't.

[ylaixVK]

well you are kinda contradicting our self...if you are anti-religiouse... why should you even believe in marrege ... i mean basically marrege started off from religions.. and another think ..let's not take it from the religion prespective.... in general ..what good could come out of gay marrages... thik hare..yes correct nothing... they will probably end up dying from some desies or somethig..not to mention the damage they caused the ppl around them... plus imagine ..if the all the ppl were marride gay couples ...in other words man kind will be finished .. so that is basically why i am against it .... but i do not care if you are gay or not... just behave your self infront of me and we are cool ^^


-____________-" So many dots and typos, but anywho. It'd be nice if you didn't exactly say that they're going to die from diseases, because common sense tells me that NO ONE is going to live forever. 'man kind wil be finished' no one said that EVERYONE is going to go for same sex marriage.
That's all I have to say in response. :serious:

[salmeria]

i kinda agree with bluesano....but in the same time i think it's ok 4 them to get married as long as they are happy an love each other why not!!

[Vakarak]

EDIT: I'm pretty sure they had at least two threads like this one already...

found it http://www.animefuel.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8488

EDIT: but this thread makes sense still because "the prop8" thing has passed right?

[Dolly]

To be quite honest, if I could control it, I would wish for everyone to be heterosexual. I'm just speaking my mind, though. I mean, who wouldn't want everyone to be in their own sexual interests?

With that aside, do I believe in gay marriage/rights? I do. The matter of fact is, you can't change genetics.It isn't a person's "fault" to be gay and even then it isn't a fault in the first place. As long as there's love, then I respect that. It's actually statistically proven that gay couples are more loyal to each other than heterosexual couples.

Power to them.

[fejknick]

The fact that this thread exists shows that gay is still something weird. Its just another human loving another human.
Love is love.
Period.

[hsb39]

3 pages in <24 hours. The usual. I notice that there are a lot of (nearly all against) religious arguments. To those arguments:

1. Most of you live in secular nations where laws are supposed to be completely separate from religion, and no marriage was created (historically) before monotheism so all Christian arguments cannot be used as Christianity CERTAINLY did not create marriage.
2. http://www.otkenyer.hu/truluck/six_bible_passages.html Maybe Christianity isn't against homosexuality, it is at least arguable.

@BlueSano: I have already attacked your point of "marriage was created by religion", but to your disease argument: The only reason why gay people spread STIs/STDs is that they did not know any dangers of unprotected sex, gay marriage will only make knowledge more spread, and also lesbians do not spread diseases.

[Zaraki]

I'm against gay marriage...hmm I seem to be the only one oh well idc. Marriage is supposed to be between a man and a woman and nothing anyone will say can change my mind. For those who think God doesn't care he does care. He does love the people even if they are gay He just hates the sin. My dad's brother was gay until he discovered he had a STD. We prayed for him and the i want to say infection went away, and he's straight again.

I do have friends who are bi. I tell them if they try to hit on me I tell them I won't hang out with them anymore and move on w/ my life. God speaks through the Bible so whoever said he doesn't speak to us needs to think again. Yes some preachers will manipulate what is really being said.

There's my two cents for this thread.

[analogZero]

a small list of modern day acceptable sins:
eating gluttonously, watching impoverished nations suffer, watching porn, looking at porn, envying idols, worshiping false idols, dreaming of fame, violent sport, fist fights, not sharing wealth (great or modest), fornicating out of wedlock, consuming alcohol in excess, directing hatred onto that which is different from you and your beliefs, execution for crimes, war, watching tv/sitting at a computer/playing video games for hours on end, vanity, slave-like labour conditions, lying, making fun of people, etc.
all these things are prohibited by the bible. they are worth the eternal damnation of your soul. and that's a short list. It's amazing how eager everyone is to cast their rocks when it comes to being wholesome.

“Gay people got a right to be as miserable as everybody else.”
-chris rock-

[Zaraki]

a small list of modern day acceptable sins:
eating gluttonously, watching impoverished nations suffer, watching porn, looking at porn, envying idols, worshiping false idols, dreaming of fame, violent sport, fist fights, not sharing wealth (great or modest), fornicating out of wedlock, consuming alcohol in excess, directing hatred onto that which is different from you and your beliefs, execution for crimes, war, watching tv/sitting at a computer/playing video games for hours on end, vanity, slave-like labour conditions, lying, making fun of people, etc.
all these things are prohibited by the bible. they are worth the eternal damnation of your soul. and that's a short list. It's amazing how eager everyone is to cast their rocks when it comes to being wholesome.

“Gay people got a right to be as miserable as everybody else.”
-chris rock-

never thought sitting in front of the tube and playing games is a sin for hours end. i/k i'm not perfect i do things that i know that are wrong but I'm trying to change that. anyways no idea why i posted a reply.

[damnedmylz]

no one can stop what they feel for each other even if others think its filthy
Gay Marriage is ok for me..............................................:o .o:


dude i support yaoi!

[leerock89]

OK fine, if you must know, I'm married to my gay lover Shawn. We found each other online and after our first night of REALLY loud and hot sex which lasted 9 hours we fell in love and have been together ever since. I'm just against marriage cause marriage is just an illusion created by women for women.

[fejknick]

I smell irony.

But you're not saying you're against the right to get wed right?

[leerock89]

Oh anyone can marry anyone or anything they want, I could give a dam. Just don't try to get that out of me, I'll leave so fast you'll wonder if I could fly.

[ne_dAc]

yeah, marriage in general is just lots of bull

[ichigobf]

OK fine, if you must know, I'm married to my gay lover Shawn. We found each other online and after our first night of REALLY loud and hot sex which lasted 9 hours we fell in love and have been together ever since. I'm just against marriage cause marriage is just an illusion created by women for women.


:D i envy you

I'm against gay marriage...hmm I seem to be the only one oh well idc. Marriage is supposed to be between a man and a woman and nothing anyone will say can change my mind. For those who think God doesn't care he does care. He does love the people even if they are gay He just hates the sin. My dad's brother was gay until he discovered he had a STD. We prayed for him and the i want to say infection went away, and he's straight again.

I do have friends who are bi. I tell them if they try to hit on me I tell them I won't hang out with them anymore and move on w/ my life. God speaks through the Bible so whoever said he doesn't speak to us needs to think again. Yes some preachers will manipulate what is really being said.

There's my two cents for this thread.

okay 2 things


1. std doesnt just go away, what kind of fantasy are you living in? o-e

2.my opinion to that is- you dont just become straight,for example- my ex tried,he couldnt keep faking his real self and feelings, if your
dads brother started doing women,he would just be lieing to himself,but again,thats his choice and its none of my business



and i do support gay marrige, and i hope to be one of those guys in the future

[strike7785]

The bible said that God destroyed cities called Sodom and Gomorah because there was a couple that were Gay.

http://i335.photobucket.com/albums/m472/reformislam/NoHomosexuals.gif

yea but Gay marrage have been gooing on for 100's of years. Has the Lord done anything since then. I dont think so. Not saying he wont in the future but I doubt this very much

[Zaraki]

:D i envy you



okay 2 things


1. std doesnt just go away, what kind of fantasy are you living in? o-e

2.my opinion to that is- you dont just become straight,for example- my ex tried,he couldnt keep faking his real self and feelings, if your
dads brother started doing women,he would just be lieing to himself,but again,thats his choice and its none of my business



and i do support gay marrige, and i hope to be one of those guys in the future

i never said how long we prayed for him. it did take sometime. apparently now when i post comments w/ time related i have to post how long or the time it took b/c people see a comment and jump on it w/o thinking first. so think before you post please.

yeah he didn't go straight like in a instance i know that, but he's straight now so what's in the past is in the past. i know he has a girlfriend right now but yeah that doesn't mean a thing he could still be gay. who knows we'll find out sooner or later.

like i said in my other comment i have bi friends who have a lover of the same sex. i'm old school marriage is supposed to be between a man and a woman.

[hsb39]

I'm against gay marriage...hmm I seem to be the only one oh well idc. Marriage is supposed to be between a man and a woman and nothing anyone will say can change my mind. For those who think God doesn't care he does care. He does love the people even if they are gay He just hates the sin. My dad's brother was gay until he discovered he had a STD. We prayed for him and the i want to say infection went away, and he's straight again.

I do have friends who are bi. I tell them if they try to hit on me I tell them I won't hang out with them anymore and move on w/ my life. God speaks through the Bible so whoever said he doesn't speak to us needs to think again. Yes some preachers will manipulate what is really being said.

There's my two cents for this thread.

You can't really know that marriage is supposed to be for a man and a woman, legal marriage is not religious and was created before any recorded monotheism. If you say that marriage can't be changed, it used to be political and even in the last 100 years there used to be no integrated marriage.

And my next HUGE point is that gay people do not choose to be gay, and they cannot change it, your uncle was probably bi, or was faking at one point.

Also, I don't know where the idea came from that gay/bi people always hit on strait people of the same gender, I've never seen it.

[coconikki]

Why shouldn't marriage be between same genders? It's not like its hurting anyone, no ones all of a sudden saying that you have to be gay. I have a question for those of you who think that god doesn't like gay people or some stupid stuff like that. If god really didn't like gay people then why did he create them?? Answer that for me. And second of all I think god wanted all people to be treated equally and not discriminated for being different. Unless you think hes a total asshole and wants people to hate each other, but i'm pretty sure that's not what the bible said.

[kokoro-ran]

You say that as if god was real....and the typos probably destroyed your point

Anyway I don't care, has nothing to do with me.
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well i dont say that god dosent exest but i say a god that how made ruls against humans real nature is not a real god it's just a human like us how had thze chance and the ability to fool people and made them blive him

[Kidou33]

I really don't give a damn and neither should anyone...It's like this

Would you care if a man married a woman?..if your answer is no then you prolly would'nt care if a man married a man of a woman married a woman...it just doesn't matter or effects shit

BUT...if you do care....then seriously for your own sake just keep ur nose in your own business because butting in on issues like this is not beneficial to anyone especially yourself...You'll only be getting like a huge amount of people pissed off and you'll be seen as a gay basher or w/e...in other words NOT caring about what the GOVERNMENT says is the RIGHT thing to do.

Listening to what God and what religion you belong to says is also the right thing to do.

Honestly man without religion is just another ape that will eventually rot as a carcass...Everyone knows a human needs something higher to believe in or w/e.

Lets just say if your gay then get married thru heart...who cares if the law approves? it's not like anyone follows the rules anyway...SERIOUSLY.

And if your straight then go by your own business because god knows everyone has enough problems as it is...>.>

[Lince]

I'm all for gay marriage. If they love each other that much then why the hell not? Sure the bible goes against it, but I've never entirely agreed with the bible anyway. Also, not everyone goes by Christian holy book, or any for that matter, so they shouldn't have to be denied the right to get married.
Also, I'm friends with a few gay guys, and I couldn't believe they would go to hell for something they can't control; especially something that meaningless.

[analogZero]

never thought sitting in front of the tube and playing games is a sin for hours end. i/k i'm not perfect i do things that i know that are wrong but I'm trying to change that. anyways no idea why i posted a reply.

good ol' fashion sloth, my friend.

Anyway, I just find it ridiculous that religious fanatics get upiddy about 'sins' and 'blasphemies' then go commit their own atrocities. Didn't jesus come and go because of sin? and now when you sin, you sin in his name and have to ask for his forgiveness. God decides your sins, and you don't have a say in which ones are wrong for you, and which ones aren't all that bad. long dead are the days of virtue.

a few classical virtues to keep in mind: lovingness, tolerance, acceptance, candor, understanding, mercy, and dare I say...curiosity?

but then again, I'm against marriage altogether, so...

[Zaraki]

You can't really know that marriage is supposed to be for a man and a woman, legal marriage is not religious and was created before any recorded monotheism. If you say that marriage can't be changed, it used to be political and even in the last 100 years there used to be no integrated marriage.

And my next HUGE point is that gay people do not choose to be gay, and they cannot change it, your uncle was probably bi, or was faking at one point.

Also, I don't know where the idea came from that gay/bi people always hit on strait people of the same gender, I've never seen it.

i'm sorry but it is supposed to be between a man and a woman not man and man or woman and woman. i do believe it says it in the Bible. it's been like that since the beginning of time. for that one comment about God isn't real. well guess what He is real. how can you say evolution or the other atheist theories can create life and the universe. yeah we can't see Him but what He has created should be enough reason.

good ol' fashion sloth, my friend.

Anyway, I just find it ridiculous that religious fanatics get upiddy about 'sins' and 'blasphemies' then go commit their own atrocities. Didn't jesus come and go because of sin? and now when you sin, you sin in his name and have to ask for his forgiveness. God decides your sins, and you don't have a say in which ones are wrong for you, and which ones aren't all that bad. long dead are the days of virtue.

a few classical virtues to keep in mind: lovingness, tolerance, acceptance, candor, understanding, mercy, and dare I say...curiosity?

but then again, I'm against marriage altogether, so...
like i said before i never really thought about it like that. don't forget we are human too we make mistakes and we aren't perfect we do screw up. Jesus came to save us from burning in Hell for all eternity. not too mention we don't have to do sacrifices like they did in the old testament to ask God to forgive us and not going to Hell.
Why shouldn't marriage be between same genders? It's not like its hurting anyone, no ones all of a sudden saying that you have to be gay. I have a question for those of you who think that god doesn't like gay people or some stupid stuff like that. If god really didn't like gay people then why did he create them?? Answer that for me. And second of all I think god wanted all people to be treated equally and not discriminated for being different. Unless you think hes a total asshole and wants people to hate each other, but i'm pretty sure that's not what the bible said.
like what i said before he hates the sin and not the people who commit the sin. well think of this why don't guys also have the ability to give birth? it takes two to create human life. we can't reproduce a-sexually like some creatures can. we are supposed to re-populate this world that is why marriage is supposed to be between a man and a woman. if we could a-sexually reproduce then why would it matter if you marry a guy or a girl?

[Dolly]

You say that as if god was real....and the typos probably destroyed your point

Anyway I don't care, has nothing to do with me.
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well i dont say that god dosent exest but i say a god that how made ruls against humans real nature is not a real god it's just a human like us how had thze chance and the ability to fool people and made them blive him

Thanks for being irrelevant.

[Zaraki]

I really don't give a damn and neither should anyone...It's like this

Would you care if a man married a woman?..if your answer is no then you prolly would'nt care if a man married a man of a woman married a woman...it just doesn't matter or effects shit

BUT...if you do care....then seriously for your own sake just keep ur nose in your own business because butting in on issues like this is not beneficial to anyone especially yourself...You'll only be getting like a huge amount of people pissed off and you'll be seen as a gay basher or w/e...in other words NOT caring about what the GOVERNMENT says is the RIGHT thing to do.

Listening to what God and what religion you belong to says is also the right thing to do.

Honestly man without religion is just another ape that will eventually rot as a carcass...Everyone knows a human needs something higher to believe in or w/e.

Lets just say if your gay then get married thru heart...who cares if the law approves? it's not like anyone follows the rules anyway...SERIOUSLY.

And if your straight then go by your own business because god knows everyone has enough problems as it is...>.>

i'm not sure if that was directed to me but if i remember right the person who made this thread said what is your opinion on gay marriage. i did post my opinion and the reasons why.

[atomsk]

so the entire world should be good Christians. you know Christians are the only religion that complains about every little thing. thats why i'm pastafarian and by forcing your religion upon others you are breaking the second i'd rather you didn't:
"I'd really rather you didn't use my existence as a means to oppress, subjugate, punish, eviscerate, and/or, you know, be mean to others. I don't require sacrifices, and purity is for drinking water, not people."

and if they are gonna go to hell for it it dont concern you. if the priest that marries them goes to hell why should you care.
infact by breaking the second id rather you didnt i shall send a letter to congress to opress your right to say and do stuff against my sacred flying spaghtti monster.

thats my opinion on the matter. and the last paragraph is sarcasm.
and when christianty stops being a whiney little bitch ill convert back. but untill then.

[saprintha]

well i'm for it. if they want to get married then let them get married. to say i don't view marriage as a man and women thing, however, i view it as 2 people who loves eachother and wants to spend the rest of their life together.

[Shi-chan]

I'm for it too. As long as there's love (and both are legally allowed to be married) it doesn't matter if it's a man or a woman you marry. That's what I think anyways!

[am0184]

I don't care as long as no one hits on me.

[Zaraki]

so the entire world should be good Christians. you know Christians are the only religion that complains about every little thing. thats why i'm pastafarian and by forcing your religion upon others you are breaking the second i'd rather you didn't:
"I'd really rather you didn't use my existence as a means to oppress, subjugate, punish, eviscerate, and/or, you know, be mean to others. I don't require sacrifices, and purity is for drinking water, not people."

and if they are gonna go to hell for it it dont concern you. if the priest that marries them goes to hell why should you care.
infact by breaking the second id rather you didnt i shall send a letter to congress to opress your right to say and do stuff against my sacred flying spaghtti monster.

thats my opinion on the matter. and the last paragraph is sarcasm.
and when christianty stops being a whiney little bitch ill convert back. but untill then.

i'm not trying to push my religion on anyone i'm against that. i love it how ppl take things out of content of what i've said. i'm only giving my opinion. i also love it how people get so upset about someone else's when the author of the thread said what do you think about it and someone says something that has a different opinion from the others and gets upset about it.

[hsb39]

i'm sorry but it is supposed to be between a man and a woman not man and man or woman and woman. i do believe it says it in the Bible. it's been like that since the beginning of time. for that one comment about God isn't real. well guess what He is real. how can you say evolution or the other atheist theories can create life and the universe. yeah we can't see Him but what He has created should be enough reason.

Just because you say that it is doesn't mean that it is, I have presented some evidence for my points (although I admit I did not give references in them). I said that marriage was created before monotheism, and it was not originally Christian (or possibly even religious). I also pointed out that the (six) verses in the Bible that make reference to homosexuality (remember that the term homosexuality didn't exist back then, or it was made up by Paul, but I don't think that that's very likely) may not actually mean what we think. Also three of them, the ones in the OT, can be cut down by the other things said in the OT (Leviticus 21: 16-21). I also pointed out that most people here are in secular countries, meaning that laws should be made independently of religion, so how can someone use Christian arguments when they are supposed to be irrelavent. Your argument consisted of "I'm sorry but I'm right". You said that you're not trying to push your religion on anyone, but you really are.

like i said before i never really thought about it like that. don't forget we are human too we make mistakes and we aren't perfect we do screw up. Jesus came to save us from burning in Hell for all eternity. not too mention we don't have to do sacrifices like they did in the old testament to ask God to forgive us and not going to Hell.

Yeah but if homosexuality is a mistake it is of no fault to the gay person. It's not a choice.

like what i said before he hates the sin and not the people who commit the sin. well think of this why don't guys also have the ability to give birth? it takes two to create human life. we can't reproduce a-sexually like some creatures can. we are supposed to re-populate this world that is why marriage is supposed to be between a man and a woman. if we could a-sexually reproduce then why would it matter if you marry a guy or a girl?
It took six pages for this argument to come up? It's still fun to cut it down. What your saying here is that:
1. Infertile people should not be able to get married.
2. Gay people shouldn't be allowed to adopt.
3. We should just randomly have sex and make babies.

This argument has been done better, go over your wording and such if you want to use this one, or any of your other arguments.



I'm sorry to say this, but the people here just can't debate like the people on Pokemon forums...

[Akisu]

Because this is a thread that asks what my opinion is on gay marriage I will state just that. If I have stated what others have stated in previous posts I don't really care, I'm not going to go through and read everybody's posts to make sure I don't repeat anything.
I am completely in favor of gay marriage, and this is coming from someone who is not very open minded as well. I typically say no to a lot of things, but considering human rights I mean come on, you can't only allow natural rights to a certain population of people in the US or any nation for that matter.
I understand that the bible states marriage is strictly an eternal bond between a man and a woman. But the bible also states you are allowed to sell your daughter into slavery and stone your wife. And it also forbids sex before marriage. If I'm not mistaken, those rules aren't exactly practiced today now are they?
Taking away gay marriage would also be unconstitutional, hence the separation of church and state. Its against the constitution to mix religion and politics. =]

If anyone disagrees I'd be more than happy to go in further detail.

[fejknick]

Because this is a thread that asks what my opinion is on gay marriage I will state just that. If I have stated what others have stated in previous posts I don't really care, I'm not going to go through and read everybody's posts to make sure I don't repeat anything.
I am completely in favor of gay marriage, and this is coming from someone who is not very open minded as well. I typically say no to a lot of things, but considering human rights I mean come on, you can't only allow natural rights to a certain population of people in the US or any nation for that matter.
I understand that the bible states marriage is strictly an eternal bond between a man and a woman. But the bible also states you are allowed to sell your daughter into slavery and stone your wife. And it also forbids sex before marriage. If I'm not mistaken, those rules aren't exactly practiced today now are they?
Taking away gay marriage would also be unconstitutional, hence the separation of church and state. Its against the constitution to mix religion and politics. =]

If anyone disagrees I'd be more than happy to go in further detail.

Great post.
And its all so true.

[hsb39]

Because this is a thread that asks what my opinion is on gay marriage I will state just that. If I have stated what others have stated in previous posts I don't really care, I'm not going to go through and read everybody's posts to make sure I don't repeat anything.
I am completely in favor of gay marriage, and this is coming from someone who is not very open minded as well. I typically say no to a lot of things, but considering human rights I mean come on, you can't only allow natural rights to a certain population of people in the US or any nation for that matter.
I understand that the bible states marriage is strictly an eternal bond between a man and a woman. But the bible also states you are allowed to sell your daughter into slavery and stone your wife. And it also forbids sex before marriage. If I'm not mistaken, those rules aren't exactly practiced today now are they?
Taking away gay marriage would also be unconstitutional, hence the separation of church and state. Its against the constitution to mix religion and politics. =]

If anyone disagrees I'd be more than happy to go in further detail.


The only part there that I can disagree with is that I haven't found the part (and no one has shown me) in the Bible where it states that marriage is only between a man and a woman.

[Akisu]

Thanks ^__^

[Akisu]

Um, I was just told that it was specifically between a man and a woman, I never saw it for myself and I was told by my Uncle who's a Rabbi so I didn't argue 0.o

[hsb39]

Um, I was just told that it was specifically between a man and a woman, I never saw it for myself and I was told by my Uncle who's a Rabbi so I didn't argue 0.o


Many people say it, but it is actually arguable. And if your uncle is a Rabbi he probably would have been refering to verses in the OT, if you want to get me started on that you can, but I warn you there I have a lot to say.

[Akisu]

Considering I'm in favor of gay marriage, I don't really care (no offense) exactly what the bible states because its irrelevant. Religious views aren't supposed to be involved in the passing of laws. Its absurd Prop 8 got passed in my home state (if you don't know what it is its a Proposition banning gay marriage) and I'm ashamed to live here. I wish people could get over their homophobia and stop using religion as an excuse. Its disappointing how judgmental human beings can be sometimes.

[fejknick]

Many people say it, but it is actually arguable. And if your uncle is a Rabbi he probably would have been refering to verses in the OT, if you want to get me started on that you can, but I warn you there I have a lot to say.

Since i like the one you're arguing with and Im for gay-marriage i took the time to open a bible.

Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination

[Akisu]

BUT who are we to judge what is mankind and what is womankind? o:
If a gay man refers to himself as a woman, than hes a woman. Thats what I believe at least.
Sure his genitalia may indicate otherwise but its not our place to classify people like that.

[hsb39]

Considering I'm in favor of gay marriage, I don't really care (no offense) exactly what the bible states because its irrelevant. Religious views aren't supposed to be involved in the passing of laws. Its absurd Prop 8 got passed in my home state (if you don't know what it is its a Proposition banning gay marriage) and I'm ashamed to live here. I wish people could get over their homophobia and stop using religion as an excuse. Its disappointing how judgmental human beings can be sometimes.


I certainly agree with you there.

Ah.. at Leviticus 18: 22:

1. It makes no reference to marriage.
2. Leviticus 21: 16-21, it talks about those evil people (you know, everyone with glasses, I just sensed they were plotting against us!).

[fejknick]

I certainly agree with you there.

Ah.. at Leviticus 18: 22:

1. It makes no reference to marriage.
2. Leviticus 21: 16-21, it talks about those evil people (you know, everyone with glasses, I just sensed they were plotting against us!).

That shit was written 2000 years ago. The ones that follow it are in my opinion kinda stupid. If there is a god and a heaven and hell, then the first thing I'm going to do when i get there is to fuck god up for letting idiots rule the world and children starve to death.
After that i would gladly spend eternity in hell with all the great legends.

[hsb39]

That shit was written 2000 years ago. The ones that follow it are in my opinion kinda stupid. If there is a god and a heaven and hell, then the first thing I'm going to do when i get there is to fuck god up for letting idiots rule the world and children starve to death.
After that i would gladly spend eternity in hell with all the great legends.


There are points in the Bible that cut down those points, but I'll leave that to the people who actually follow the religion.

As for hell, there a whole heap of people that I would like to meet that should be there right about now.

[fejknick]

There are points in the Bible that cut down those points, but I'll leave that to the people who actually follow the religion.

As for hell, there a whole heap of people that I would like to meet that should be there right about now.

The bibles answer to anything that it cant explain: its the devils work. Or its god, testing our fate. Id say fuck you god and suck this thing between my legs you gave me.
I have read the entire bible, new and old. Thats why i know its a bunch of bullshit. I don't talk about things if i don't know what I'm talking about.

If you have read the bible then you would know that its a bunch of bullshit. And an other point is: last sunday ken drank 7 beers. In 4 weeks he has jumped from that to 16 beers. Now you think about the fact that the bible was written 60 years after jesus so called crucifixion.

And I'm not against you hsb39, you're a good guy. ^^
This is just a subject that makes me so damn angry. How people can believe anything that a person in power tells them. And I'm not saying i don't believe in a god. I just don't believe in a god that the bible describes. I believe in spirituality and unity. And that you create the future yourself. But that mixed with physics and logical thinking.

Ohh, and why does the pope have his own city and inf. money while there are children starving to death in this world? If he was the number one in christianity/bible-people, wouldn't he give that money to those children? He would live in a hut if he had to. And 2000 years ago the crux was a symbol of torture, today its a religious symbol.

[atomsk]

i'm not trying to push my religion on anyone i'm against that. i love it how ppl take things out of content of what i've said. i'm only giving my opinion. i also love it how people get so upset about someone else's when the author of the thread said what do you think about it and someone says something that has a different opinion from the others and gets upset about it.

thats nice buuuuut i wasnt reffering to you or anyone in general. it seems everyone against gay marrige is a whiney little christian

[fejknick]

thats nice buuuuut i wasnt reffering to you or anyone in general. it seems everyone against gay marrige is a whiney little christian

Amen.

(If you don't see the irony then you FAIL)

[lee matsu]

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[soulten]

ey ..if you like to eat eat ...be eaten ..if you like ..pain up ur anisssssssssss ey pain is ..it hurts shit .... but than again people would say ..."hey matsu is not all bout the sex ...perve''' sure is not "wink wink " ...proof runs real fast>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an he's gone

How would you know this?
Notice the red? Proof runs fast.....and he's gone
EVERYBODY COME LOOK!!!
Lee matsu just came out of the closet!

[fejknick]

How would you know this?
Notice the red? Proof runs fast.....and he's gone
EVERYBODY COME LOOK!!!
Lee matsu just came out of the closet!

*Laughs and points finger at Lee matsu.*

[Zaraki]

thats nice buuuuut i wasnt reffering to you or anyone in general. it seems everyone against gay marrige is a whiney little christian

actually i've met people who are atheist or a different religion and are against it so we whiney little christians aren't the only ones. ;) besides aren't you being whiney what others opinion is of gay marriage.

The only part there that I can disagree with is that I haven't found the part (and no one has shown me) in the Bible where it states that marriage is only between a man and a woman.

here's some verses sorry for them being long.

"And the Lord God said, 'It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him'" (Gen. 2:18).
"Then the rib which the Lord God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man. And Adam said:

'This is now bone of my bone
And flesh of my flesh;
She shall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man.'

Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh." (Gen. 2:22-24)
Adam received his wife as a gift from God. In a sense it is still true that a man receives his wife from God. Solomon says:


"Houses and riches are an inheritance from fathers,
But a prudent wife is from the Lord" (Proverbs 19:14).
We also see that marriage is good. Solomon says in another place:


"He who finds a wife finds a good thing,
And obtains favour from the Lord" (Proverbs 18:22).
We also see how strong the marriage bond is, so strong that they are no longer two but are melted together as one flesh.

This bond is so strong that it is broken only by death. As long as they live they are one together. They may not separate. Jesus quoted this passage when He was asked about marriage:


"The Pharisees also came to Him, testing Him, and saying to Him, 'Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?' And He answered and said to them, 'Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning "made them male and female," and said, "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh"? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.' They said to Him, 'Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?' He said to them, 'Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery'" (Mat. 19:3-9).


In this passage in Genesis we also see how dependent man and woman are on each other. They need each other. Paul says:


"Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord. For as the woman was from the man, even so the man also is through the woman; but all things are from God" (1 Cor. 11:11,12).
Marriage is an institution of God and is a continuation of His work of creation. Sexual desires are God-given. We should view our manliness or womanliness as a gift from God which we receive with thankfulness and strive to keep holy and pure in accordance with His instructions.

If God had intended the human race to be fulfilled through both heterosexual and homosexual marriage, He would have designed our bodies to allow reproduction through both means and made both means of sexual intercourse healthy and natural. Homosexual anal intercourse carries a high risk of disease, this is recognized in Scripture where gay men are said to receive in their bodies the due penalty for their error (Romans 1:27).

and yes i know their are verses in here that talks about divorce and yes i know both even if you are straight and marry the opposite they are also at risk as well as a homosexual so don't even start on that one.

and whoever responded to my post about the a sexual. yeah i know gay ppl can adopt and i know lesbians when they want kids will go to a hospital to how can i say this w/o being even more weird...collect sperm from any of the sperm donors. i would post more but i have to go to school.

[lee matsu]

How would you know this?
Notice the red? Proof runs fast.....and he's gone
EVERYBODY COME LOOK!!!
Lee matsu just came out of the closet!

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[alsharid]

I am 100% against, and there is not a single person that can convince me not to be against it.

Lazy People don't bother reading it all, for it is too long lol
Something I found from readislam.com.


Question: "I am a happy, young gay man, and I am at university studying chemistry. What I want to know is why homosexuals are regarded to be sinners and are to be murdered. How can I look at another Muslim, knowing that they have been taught that I am to be slaughtered? I know a lot of other religions practice this too. If Islam is supposed to be a peaceful religion, then why are homophobic murders carried out in the name of Islam?"

- Thomas - United Kingdom

Answer: "Salam, Thomas.

Thank you for writing to the Ask About Islam section and for your question. Here are some thoughts for your consideration.

First, we appreciate your interest in learning more about Islam's stance on homosexuality. You have asked a two part question related to homosexuality, namely why it is considered a sin and why homosexuals are, in your own words, "to be murdered."

To begin with, you should know that Muslims believe in Allah as the One and Only Creator of all that exists and therefore accept that Allah has full knowledge of His creation. Allah Most High knows about every aspect of human life and has knowledge of even the inner, unexpressed thoughts of human beings.

Therefore, in Islam, the understanding is that Allah Most High has created mankind from a male and a female, the first human pair being Adam and Eve. All subsequent generations to emerge from Adam and Eve have been possible because of the natural reproductive process, that is, the union of a male and a female. In the context of society, even this union between a male and a female is regulated, and according to Islam, should not exist outside of the institution of marriage.

As humans were created of two sexes to be able to reproduce sexually (as opposed to asexually as some lower creatures do), what is considered most unnatural in Islam is the existance of non-platonic relationships (i.e., involving sexual attraction) of men to men and women to women. What is acceptable, of course, is platonic, entirely non-sexual, love expressed by men to men and by women to women in a brotherly and sisterly manner.

This does not mean, however, that Islam turns a blind eye to the existence of homosexuality. In fact, the Qur'an does not deny that some men and women might be inclined towards homosexual and lesbian behavior, but it is quite clear from Islamic teachings that when and if such behavior becomes manifest, it has to be stopped because it is both unnatural and destructive to the social fabric.

We are reminded for example in the Qur'an of the statement of Prophet Lot (peace be upon him) who found his people engaged in homosexuality and said what means:

*{And Lot! (Remember) when he said unto his folk: "Lo! ye commit lewdness such as no creature did before you. Do ye indeed approach men, and cut off the highway and practice wickedness (even) in your councils?" But his people gave no answer but this: they said: "Bring us the Wrath of Allah if thou tellest the truth."}* (Al-`Ankabut 29:28-29)

In another verse in the Qur'an, Prophet Lot (peace be upon him) also said to them:

*{Of all the creatures of the world, will you approach males, and leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your mates? Nay, you are a people transgressing (all limits)!}* (Ash-Shu`araa' 26:165-166)

So, the Qur'an in general regards homosexuality as unnatural and informs us that it was not known among the creation before the people of Lot practiced it. Prophet Lot (peace be upon him) attempted to advise his people to refrain from this unnatural behavior lest they incur the wrath of God.

As for the second part of your question, from the first instance of homosexual behavior (with the people of Lot), such behavior has been a punishable offense. It is clear that when the people who engaged in homosexual behavior taunted Prophet Lot (peace be upon him) to bring on the punishment, Allah punished them.

As we read in the Qur'an, Allah states what means:

*{and We rained on them a rain of torment. And how evil was the rain of those who had been warned}* (Ash-Shu`ara' 26:173).

Essentially, Allah is Merciful and offers great hope to His followers to repent and to seek His forgiveness; but for those who sin and flaunt their sins, this episode with the people of Lot (peace be upon him) makes it clear to us that there is no tolerance.

As to the actual means of punishment, there are different opinions among Muslim scholars. There is definitely no consensus that the punishment is death. However, it is important to know that the basis upon which some scholars have founded their opinions is their comparison between the punishment for fornication (which can only be punishable if there are four witnesses to the act itself) and homosexuality, as both acts despite their differences, are also similar. As marriage in Islam — the only possibility for sexual relations — can only be between a man and woman, any homosexual behavior will immediately be a form of fornication anyway.

"Muslim jurists hold different opinions for this abominable practice. Should it be the same as the punishment for fornication, or should both the active and passive participants be put to death? While such punishments may seem cruel, they have been suggested to maintain the purity of the Islamic society and to keep it clean of perverted elements." To read the whole fatwa click Here.

The reason for the punishment, however, is also important to understand. Just as fornication can destroy the fabric of society by creating social problems such as sexually transmitted diseases, emotional and psychological stress, the breakup of the family, unwanted pregnancies and illegitimate children, homosexuality is seen in the same light. As Islam is both an individual and a communal worldview and way of life, the preservation of the social order that God has deemed to be best for humanity plays an essential role in the social laws laid down in the Qur'an and by Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

Islam is a peaceful, comprehensive, universal, and timeless religion whose teachings are a direct revelation from the Creator Himself. Therefore, the fact because Islamic teachings dictate that homosexuality is a sin and must be punished does not make Islam any less peaceful. Rather, this particular teaching, as we have mentioned above, aims to protect society and to keep it from utter moral deterioration.

You have nothing to fear, though. Muslims do not go around wanting to punish homosexuals! On the contrary, they do not have the right to do so, according to Islam. Only an Islamic government has the right to do so and only in the case of a confession or the testimony of four witnesses as mentioned. Also, the law only applies to Muslim citizens not to non-Muslims.

As for what a non-homosexual Muslim would think of a homosexual when they meet, the typical upright Muslim should feel pity and mercy towards his homosexual friend. He should only dream of having his friend come back to what Muslims regard as the "heaven of normality" and practice a "natural" happy life accepted and respected by the societies and their very selves.

The maximum a Muslim should do is to invite his homosexual friend to what the Muslim regards as the right path. A Muslim would regard this as being his duty; he would believe he owes friendship that much. He might preach to him a bit, but that's it! No killing."

- Abdullah Abdur Rahman

[Dolly]

Wow, and I thought "my" posts were long. But in all seriousness, thanks for sharing that. The views of Islam in detail are pretty interesting.

[hsb39]

The bibles answer to anything that it cant explain: its the devils work. Or its god, testing our fate. Id say fuck you god and suck this thing between my legs you gave me.
I have read the entire bible, new and old. Thats why i know its a bunch of bullshit. I don't talk about things if i don't know what I'm talking about.

If you have read the bible then you would know that its a bunch of bullshit. And an other point is: last sunday ken drank 7 beers. In 4 weeks he has jumped from that to 16 beers. Now you think about the fact that the bible was written 60 years after jesus so called crucifixion.

And I'm not against you hsb39, you're a good guy. ^^
This is just a subject that makes me so damn angry. How people can believe anything that a person in power tells them. And I'm not saying i don't believe in a god. I just don't believe in a god that the bible describes. I believe in spirituality and unity. And that you create the future yourself. But that mixed with physics and logical thinking.

Ohh, and why does the pope have his own city and inf. money while there are children starving to death in this world? If he was the number one in christianity/bible-people, wouldn't he give that money to those children? He would live in a hut if he had to. And 2000 years ago the crux was a symbol of torture, today its a religious symbol.

There are some parts that I find to be BS as well, particularly the Job bit and natural disasters.

But the part that explains at least half of it is human free will. The Bible says that we were given it, meaning that evil people can do what we want. While God (assuming that It exists) could make a perfect world, it would be better otherwise as we all would just be mind slaves, the imperfect world with free will is better than a perfect world without it.

@Zaraki: I'll try to generally cover your points.

Saying that marriage is all about reproduction would imply that infertile people should not get married, also remember about adoption. And I think that currently the world does not need to reproduce that much, it says that they were meant to reproduce together, but it does not say that man and man and woman and woman could not be together. And if you want to say otherwise, first read the link that I put up earlier in the thread going over the six Bible verses that actually "adress" homosexuality.

Many of those verses say things that are bad about divorce, that it shouldn't be allowed. I need to know if you think that divorce is a sin before I continue on that point.

On to the disease point. There is actually only slightly more risk of disease which is irrelavent now due to condoms. Also, this (along with many of the other verses) would also condemn non-conventional sex between heterosexual couples, yet again, I need to get your opinion on this.

To go back to the discussion, religious points should still be moot. I can (sort of) understand churches not allowing gay marriages, but I don't get why gay people of other religions should be disallowed of something because of something that they don't believe in. Bringing back separation of church and state here.

To bring a new point in, gay marriage would actually lower the rate of gay sex (ask any married person), and increase the rate of safe gay sex.

[Nightmare]

actually i've met people who are atheist or a different religion and are against it so we whiney little christians aren't the only ones. ;) besides aren't you being whiney what others opinion is of gay marriage.



here's some verses sorry for them being long.

"And the Lord God said, 'It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him'" (Gen. 2:18).
"Then the rib which the Lord God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man. And Adam said:

'This is now bone of my bone
And flesh of my flesh;
She shall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man.'

Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh." (Gen. 2:22-24)
Adam received his wife as a gift from God. In a sense it is still true that a man receives his wife from God. Solomon says:


"Houses and riches are an inheritance from fathers,
But a prudent wife is from the Lord" (Proverbs 19:14).
We also see that marriage is good. Solomon says in another place:


"He who finds a wife finds a good thing,
And obtains favour from the Lord" (Proverbs 18:22).
We also see how strong the marriage bond is, so strong that they are no longer two but are melted together as one flesh.

This bond is so strong that it is broken only by death. As long as they live they are one together. They may not separate. Jesus quoted this passage when He was asked about marriage:


"The Pharisees also came to Him, testing Him, and saying to Him, 'Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?' And He answered and said to them, 'Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning "made them male and female," and said, "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh"? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.' They said to Him, 'Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?' He said to them, 'Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery'" (Mat. 19:3-9).


In this passage in Genesis we also see how dependent man and woman are on each other. They need each other. Paul says:


"Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord. For as the woman was from the man, even so the man also is through the woman; but all things are from God" (1 Cor. 11:11,12).
Marriage is an institution of God and is a continuation of His work of creation. Sexual desires are God-given. We should view our manliness or womanliness as a gift from God which we receive with thankfulness and strive to keep holy and pure in accordance with His instructions.

If God had intended the human race to be fulfilled through both heterosexual and homosexual marriage, He would have designed our bodies to allow reproduction through both means and made both means of sexual intercourse healthy and natural. Homosexual anal intercourse carries a high risk of disease, this is recognized in Scripture where gay men are said to receive in their bodies the due penalty for their error (Romans 1:27).

and yes i know their are verses in here that talks about divorce and yes i know both even if you are straight and marry the opposite they are also at risk as well as a homosexual so don't even start on that one.

and whoever responded to my post about the a sexual. yeah i know gay ppl can adopt and i know lesbians when they want kids will go to a hospital to how can i say this w/o being even more weird...collect sperm from any of the sperm donors. i would post more but i have to go to school.

O.K. this it a grate example of why no one has ever finished the bible. just so you know this verse doesn't say two men shouldn't marry, "It is not good that man should be alone... Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife" Never says women wife just wife. Who says a man can't be a wife?

[Zaraki]

There are some parts that I find to be BS as well, particularly the Job bit and natural disasters.

But the part that explains at least half of it is human free will. The Bible says that we were given it, meaning that evil people can do what we want. While God (assuming that It exists) could make a perfect world, it would be better otherwise as we all would just be mind slaves, the imperfect world with free will is better than a perfect world without it.

@Zaraki: I'll try to generally cover your points.

Saying that marriage is all about reproduction would imply that infertile people should not get married, also remember about adoption. And I think that currently the world does not need to reproduce that much, it says that they were meant to reproduce together, but it does not say that man and man and woman and woman could not be together. And if you want to say otherwise, first read the link that I put up earlier in the thread going over the six Bible verses that actually "adress" homosexuality.

Many of those verses say things that are bad about divorce, that it shouldn't be allowed. I need to know if you think that divorce is a sin before I continue on that point.

On to the disease point. There is actually only slightly more risk of disease which is irrelavent now due to condoms. Also, this (along with many of the other verses) would also condemn non-conventional sex between heterosexual couples, yet again, I need to get your opinion on this.

To go back to the discussion, religious points should still be moot. I can (sort of) understand churches not allowing gay marriages, but I don't get why gay people of other religions should be disallowed of something because of something that they don't believe in. Bringing back separation of church and state here.

To bring a new point in, gay marriage would actually lower the rate of gay sex (ask any married person), and increase the rate of safe gay sex.

honestly i don't believe it divorce should be a sin. that could of been a catholic translation or they added that. my friend who sent me those versus is catholic. catholics frown upon divorce and have a different word for it. honestly if a man and a woman or gay couples don't love each other and all they do is fight then they should. on the other hand if you knocked up your girl friend you should marry her and do the right thing. we know there are a lot of dead beat dads out there who want to get away from it. even if you don't marry her be there for your kid and help support them.

now you second question confuses me. if you can make it easier for me to understand what you are saying there then thank...i'm sorry i just got home from school and i took a few tests so yeah i'm running a bit slow. if your saying if you are married and use a condom is that considered to be bad then of course not at least it shouldn't i mean if you aren't ready to have a child yet then by all means use a condom. now you know you can still pass a STD or HIV even though you are wearing a condom right?

ok ok ..dis is not fucken funny but since your an ..staff guy or herman doesn't mean to ride on me ..second you delete my post cus you say ..i make no sense ......dis website sux cus people like you man ..u fagots jus want to hear what u like an delete what u don't ..... :mad: ..(s*gh)
if that was honestly true then my comments against gay marriage would be deleted. if you say something that dumb or doesn't have anything to do w/ the topic it should be deleted. i'm a admin myself and i do it when i need to.

[Nightmare]

you have a point (both of them) But... well I've never read the bible. So enlighten me because as far as I know the bible never explicitly says, gay marriage is bad. Then again as I have said I've never really read the bible.

[Lince]

While debating is good and all, just remember it all comes down to the government. xD
You could be the extremest of the extremists and if the head honchos disagree it wouldn't matter very much at all.
Alrighty, continue to voice your opinions, this is interesting. :p

[Nightmare]

Indeed it is... so any way I think that gay not gay it doesn't matter it's all personal preference.

[hsb39]

honestly i don't believe it divorce should be a sin. that could of been a catholic translation or they added that. my friend who sent me those versus is catholic. catholics frown upon divorce and have a different word for it. honestly if a man and a woman or gay couples don't love each other and all they do is fight then they should. on the other hand if you knocked up your girl friend you should marry her and do the right thing. we know there are a lot of dead beat dads out there who want to get away from it. even if you don't marry her be there for your kid and help support them.

You said that that is probably a Catholic translation or it was added, that is incredibly more likely in the case of homosexuality. The verses that reference it a far more vague and there are less of them.

Also, I don't think that having a pregnant girlfriend is reason to marry her, I think that the appropriate action there is to see what the girfriend wants to do (be that keeping the baby, abortion, adoption etc.) and support her. But saying that someone should only marry on the basis of children is degrading marriage far more than gay marriage would.

now you second question confuses me. if you can make it easier for me to understand what you are saying there then thank...i'm sorry i just got home from school and i took a few tests so yeah i'm running a bit slow. if your saying if you are married and use a condom is that considered to be bad then of course not at least it shouldn't i mean if you aren't ready to have a child yet then by all means use a condom. now you know you can still pass a STD or HIV even though you are wearing a condom right?

My question was mainly on whether you thought that strait couples should be able to have non-conventional sex.


if that was honestly true then my comments against gay marriage would be deleted. if you say something that dumb or doesn't have anything to do w/ the topic it should be deleted. i'm a admin myself and i do it when i need to.

I do find that this site does delete quite a lot of comments, I am on quite a lot of forums, and this is even close to smogon (the most elitist site on the internet).

[Zaraki]

I do find that this site does delete quite a lot of comments, I am on quite a lot of forums, and this is even close to smogon (the most elitist site on the internet).
i'm not on that much to notice so i'll take your word on that. to the knocking up you g/f comment i see what you are saying, but if you g/f does decide to have the kid then you as the father should do the right thing. that was the point i was trying to make which i'm sure you got.

to you other question then i don't see anything wrong w/ it.

[Nightmare]

I'm pretty much neuter on the matter. But I think that a striate couple shouldn't dis gay couples then go doing it *cough cough* "that way" because in a sense it's hypocritical.

[Zaraki]

you have a point (both of them) But... well I've never read the bible. So enlighten me because as far as I know the bible never explicitly says, gay marriage is bad. Then again as I have said I've never really read the bible.
the first verse i posted pretty much said it's supposed to be between a man and a woman. really those versus doesn't say anything about it. for some reason my mind keeps saying it falls under adultery which my gut is saying it isn't. i'll have to talk to my youth pastor on where it says it. i know there is a verse that says it is but i don't remember where.

to your other comment i missed about why can't a man be a wife. well right there in the first verse it says that.

[Nightmare]

adultery? I don't think it dose. adultery is when a man/woman is marred and he/she has sex with some one other than there spouse or with someone that . I suppose it's possible for gay sex to be adultery... but it's not in it's self.

[Zaraki]

adultery? I don't think it dose. adultery is when a man/woman is marred and he/she has sex with some one other than there spouse or with someone that . I suppose it's possible for gay sex to be adultery... but it's not in it's self.

yeah i know.

[hsb39]

to you other question then i don't see anything wrong w/ it.

But according to the Bible (using the logic that you are using to condemn gay marriage) that is wrong. They are not doing it the way that they were designed to do it. In a sense that is hypocritical, I think that you have to have pretty strong reasoning to be against homosexuality but OK with heterosexual non-conventional sex.

[Zaraki]

honestly i had to go and remind myself what that is. my real answer would be no it isn't. if it was group sex, and the gene simmons way (meaning swing) then no. sex should between you and your wife. now anal or oral not sure since it's unconventional my answer should be no. i would say me and my ex had urges we decided not to and wanted to wait.

[hsb39]

honestly i had to go and remind myself what that is. my real answer would be no it isn't. if it was group sex, and the gene simmons way (meaning swing) then no. sex should between you and your wife. now anal or oral not sure since it's unconventional my answer should be no. i would say me and my ex had urges we decided not to and wanted to wait.


I was referring to oral and anal (anything I missed?). While I think that it should always be consentual I see nothing wrong with it.

And a little bit back condom use came up, that would also apply here, condom use is having sex not for the purpose that God intended, by the logic used against homosexuality, condoms should also be condemned.

[contrast]

I'm going to say for the sake of humanity that there should not be Gay Marriage, I personally don't mind that your gay just leave me out of it.... for the obvious reason that two of the same (-/-|+/+) cant make the other half pregnant with a baby no matter what you do or say ,that's something that you cant change its nature, ex. two opposites attract. (in a gay's case they are possibly the wrong gender or a very odd duck) Also that's all I have to say on this subject. <<

[Zaraki]

I was referring to oral and anal (anything I missed?). While I think that it should always be consentual I see nothing wrong with it.

And a little bit back condom use came up, that would also apply here, condom use is having sex not for the purpose that God intended, by the logic used against homosexuality, condoms should also be condemned.
i just know there are a lot of people who feel guilty after having non-conventional. honestly using a condom when you're married b/c you aren't ready for kids yet i don't see how that is supposed to be a sin. maybe if you have some issues and you know you don't want to pass it on to you children then it really shouldn't.

yes it does say we are supposed to re-populate the earth, but where does it actually state it's a sin to use a condom?

[cupfuel]

i dont see what;s wrong with it.
i mean they're just like us, just have different ways, i guess.
people are people and those that have something against it should stop jumpin in it like its their problem. ya know?
love is blind and i wish that those against it just leave em be.

[SmokedBoo]

It's one thing for religious peeps to degrade them, but the rest is just being mean cuz they're different. I have no problems with them and am an avid fan of Yaoi (not really all that big on Yuri). Can't we all just get along and play hopscotch together?

[Lince]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=213349&title=mike-huckabee-pt.-2
There's a nice conversation on gay marriage with Mike Huckabee and John Stewart, check it out.

[Nightmare]

you know christianity hasn't always condemed gays in fact it took nearly a century and a half after christianity's creation for ones sexual orintation to become a factor before that people didn't really care who you loved. so why don't we stop being foolish about this and just agree that people have the right to be with the one they love period. even if the church of jesus christ dosn't completely aggree with your choice.

[spirit]

How I generally start on a forum is a thread like this, I want to know what everyone thinks of Gay Marriage. I am for it, for the obvious reasons. I don't know if a thread about this has been made before, but I do know that it can turn into a great debate.
What "obvious reasons"...hmmmm? :oo: :serious:

a small list of modern day acceptable sins:
eating gluttonously, watching impoverished nations suffer, watching porn, looking at porn, envying idols, worshiping false idols, dreaming of fame, violent sport, fist fights, not sharing wealth (great or modest), fornicating out of wedlock, consuming alcohol in excess, directing hatred onto that which is different from you and your beliefs, execution for crimes, war, watching tv/sitting at a computer/playing video games for hours on end, vanity, slave-like labour conditions, lying, making fun of people, etc.
all these things are prohibited by the bible. they are worth the eternal damnation of your soul. and that's a short list. It's amazing how eager everyone is to cast their rocks when it comes to being wholesome.

“Gay people got a right to be as miserable as everybody else.”
-chris rock-
That was the best reply of all :)
Yet I am not sure if it solves the "problem" here.
I can't state my own opinion... I am neutral.

[Zaraki]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=213349&title=mike-huckabee-pt.-2
There's a nice conversation on gay marriage with Mike Huckabee and John Stewart, check it out.

good ol huck. i have to disagree w/ john on the choosing part. if you grow up w/ gay parents or being around that kind of environment then you don't, but if you were like my uncle who was going through a difficult time in his life then yeah it is a choice. if you were straight before and just had a bad exp. w/ a man or a woman then yeah it's a choice. you always have a choice.

[SmokedBoo]

I am for same-sex marriage because 1) I'm bisexual. 2) The whole fact that we don't have it is because of RELIGIOUS BELIEFS. If you really think about how much of the world's population is catholic/christian related, then you'd see how big of a difference it is to the rest. 3) Prop 8 is NOT morally corrupt, but the world would like to see to it. 4) It shouldn't even matter who we would want to marry, because it's about the person's one feeling, not the world's. :mad:

In other words, I'm all for same-sex marriage and it's not right that we're not allowed to marry who we would want.

Ahaha, I can go on and on :oo:

I find it funny how religious peeps contradict themselves. Here there is an avid church goer that just sits there in the pue, shouting "Amen" here and there, then goes home and beats his wife and kid never once thinking that what he is doing is wrong. How can someone like that go against gays and their wanting holy matromony, claiming it's a sin when he himself is not right with God. I'm don't mind that homosexuals want that. But before you start judging someone by there the way they are take a look at yourself.

[alsharid]

Wow, and I thought "my" posts were long. But in all seriousness, thanks for sharing that. The views of Islam in detail are pretty interesting.


Your Welcome

OK fine, if you must know, I'm married to my gay lover Shawn. We found each other online and after our first night of REALLY loud and hot sex which lasted 9 hours we fell in love and have been together ever since. I'm just against marriage cause marriage is just an illusion created by women for women.

O_O Did you take energy pills or does sex usually last that long?

[fejknick]

O_O Did you take energy pills or does sex usually last that long?

Mine lasts around 8 - 9 hours too. So I'm guessing you're a quick squirt? ::D:

[Zaraki]

Mine lasts around 8 - 9 hours too. So I'm guessing you're a quick squirt? ::D:

rofl...mr. hurricane exciting at first but ends in disaster.:oo:

[fejknick]

rofl...mr. hurricane exciting at first but ends in disaster.:oo:

Nah, more like a good acid, slow at first but a hell of a ride after 4 hours. ^^

[SmokedBoo]

Nah, more like a good acid, slow at first but a hell of a ride after 4 hours. ^^

Guys I'm pretty sure nobody needed to here that info. TMI!!!:o.o:

[partyprobe]

who cares what they do. they are people like the rest of us that just want to live there lives. And if you are religous and dont want them to do what they want. Then you should stop trying to stop converting people bec ause really this GOD shit is getting old (made up story for money-its true)

[tenten24]

im all for gay marriage.... it shouldnt matter if ur gay or not... cuz either way ur still human... and nothing can change tht...lol...and for the ppl who are against it...... then thts fine... cuz u r intitled to ur own opinion.... but still.... i think gay marriage is a good thing.. no matter who it is...

[Nightmare]

I personally think marriage is in its self against nature. but as the dominate species I suppose we can do that.

[Zaraki]

im all for gay marriage.... it shouldnt matter if ur gay or not... cuz either way ur still human... and nothing can change tht...lol...and for the ppl who are against it...... then thts fine... cuz u r intitled to ur own opinion.... but still.... i think gay marriage is a good thing.. no matter who it is...

thank you for saying that i'm tired of getting jumped on for my own opinion. for that one comment about money making. yeah true but they use the money for heating/cooling the building, mission trips, pay checks, and so on and so forth.

[spirit]

Look, what I found:
This map illustrates the "World homosexuality laws" among all of the continents.
Isn't this interesting?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/World_homosexuality_laws.svg/800px-World_homosexuality_laws.svg.png
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii172/hispirit/mapse.png


The most interesting: "Large penalty," "Life in prison," "Death penalty!" :o.o:


[source :: Wiki]

[Zaraki]

Look, what I found:
This map illustrates the "World homosexuality laws" among all of the continents.
Isn't this interesting?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/World_homosexuality_laws.svg/800px-World_homosexuality_laws.svg.png
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii172/hispirit/mapse.png


The most interesting: "Large penalty," "Life in prison," "Death penalty!" :o.o:


[source :: Wiki]

yeah that is interesting. talk about going a bit far.

[hsb39]

i just know there are a lot of people who feel guilty after having non-conventional. honestly using a condom when you're married b/c you aren't ready for kids yet i don't see how that is supposed to be a sin. maybe if you have some issues and you know you don't want to pass it on to you children then it really shouldn't.

yes it does say we are supposed to re-populate the earth, but where does it actually state it's a sin to use a condom?

I don't think that people feeling guilty should be any kind of argument, lots of people feel guilty after having regular sex. And I'm saying that it's a sin to use a condom only through the logic of it being a sin to commit acts of homosexuality. I don't think that the Bible says either.

I'm going to say for the sake of humanity that there should not be Gay Marriage, I personally don't mind that your gay just leave me out of it.... for the obvious reason that two of the same (-/-|+/+) cant make the other half pregnant with a baby no matter what you do or say ,that's something that you cant change its nature, ex. two opposites attract. (in a gay's case they are possibly the wrong gender or a very odd duck) Also that's all I have to say on this subject. <<

1. Artificial insemination.
2. Adoption.
3. Your argument would also mean that people who are infertile should not get married.

good ol huck. i have to disagree w/ john on the choosing part. if you grow up w/ gay parents or being around that kind of environment then you don't, but if you were like my uncle who was going through a difficult time in his life then yeah it is a choice. if you were straight before and just had a bad exp. w/ a man or a woman then yeah it's a choice. you always have a choice.

Seriously, there is no choice. It is a sexual feeling, you cannot choose a sexual feeling. And really, who would choose to be gay? In a world where more people admit to being against homosexuality than people who admit to being homosexual. Thousands of people kill themselves because they think that they have a choice when they do not.

[Lince]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1094977/Gay-penguins-expelled-zoo-colony-stealing-eggs-given-look-following-animal-rights-protest.html

/Gay Penguins
//Gaynguins?

[soulten]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/World_homosexuality_laws.svg/800px-World_homosexuality_laws.svg.png
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii172/hispirit/mapse.png


Amusing how only one small African country gives a minimal penalty.

[hsb39]

Guys I'm pretty sure nobody needed to here that info. TMI!!!:o.o:

I agree there, it makes me just a little uncomfortable.

[alsharid]

Look, what I found:
This map illustrates the "World homosexuality laws" among all of the continents.
Isn't this interesting?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/World_homosexuality_laws.svg/800px-World_homosexuality_laws.svg.png
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii172/hispirit/mapse.png


The most interesting: "Large penalty," "Life in prison," "Death penalty!" :o.o:


[source :: Wiki]

The death penalty isn't used enough, the governments must be stricter.

I am surprised Oman doesn't use the death penalty, I thought it would be like the other Gulf Corporation Council countries.

[Zaraki]

I don't think that people feeling guilty should be any kind of argument, lots of people feel guilty after having regular sex. And I'm saying that it's a sin to use a condom only through the logic of it being a sin to commit acts of homosexuality. I don't think that the Bible says either.



1. Artificial insemination.
2. Adoption.
3. Your argument would also mean that people who are infertile should not get married.



Seriously, there is no choice. It is a sexual feeling, you cannot choose a sexual feeling. And really, who would choose to be gay? In a world where more people admit to being against homosexuality than people who admit to being homosexual. Thousands of people kill themselves because they think that they have a choice when they do not.
still doesn't make sense but hey don't want to argue about it anymore.

[jyuukai]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1094977/Gay-penguins-expelled-zoo-colony-stealing-eggs-given-look-following-animal-rights-protest.html

/Gay Penguins
//Gaynguins?

?
Gay penguins? Huh...


But I don't see the point of not letting people get married gay or not. If you wanna get married, get married! If I were them I wouldn't let anyone tell me anything

[justblazze]

i think it is just wroug

[Ryuuzaki]

i think it is just wroug

But why do you think it's wrong? Give reason! I wanna know.

[Shi-chan]

There's nothing wrong with same-sex marriage. If two people love each other, then I don't see the problem.

[hsb39]

still doesn't make sense but hey don't want to argue about it anymore.

Which part doesn't make sense? I think that not arguing about it is just skipping out on problems with your reasoning against gay marriage.

i think it is just wroug

Do you have any arguments for that or do you just like discrimination?

[Zaraki]

Which part doesn't make sense? I think that not arguing about it is just skipping out on problems with your reasoning against gay marriage.



Do you have any arguments for that or do you just like discrimination?

no it's just my point of view. i believe you always have a choice. like what i said before it's a yes or know. if you grow up with gay parents the child might end up gay, but if a guy or woman has problem with the opposite and feel like they can be happier w/ the same then that's their choice. i just get tired of pretty much saying the same thing over and over again.

[hsb39]

no it's just my point of view. i believe you always have a choice. like what i said before it's a yes or know. if you grow up with gay parents the child might end up gay, but if a guy or woman has problem with the opposite and feel like they can be happier w/ the same then that's their choice. i just get tired of pretty much saying the same thing over and over again.


And I am arguing against that because I more that believe that it is incorrect. Put it this way, could you choose? Try it, start having a sexual attraction towards your gender... now! Your sexual preference is not about feeling comfortable or influence from parents, or thinking that it is wrong, it is a sexual feeling. It's fairly easy to tell. As I have said before, people kill themselves because they think that they have a choice when they do not.

[Unknown]

I'll just leave this here.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/Vampiric_Blood/LesbianForum.jpg

[analogZero]

I'll just leave this here.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/Vampiric_Blood/LesbianForum.jpg

having to "identify" yourself as a lesbian/gay/whatever you wish, seems a little wierd. perhaps it's the word, but to "identify" makes it sound like being gay is part of your image, like a fur coat or flashy gold chains. Gay pride's cool and all, but rabble rabble rabble.
just a thought.

[hsb39]

having to "identify" yourself as a lesbian/gay/whatever you wish, seems a little wierd. perhaps it's the word, but to "identify" makes it sound like being gay is part of your image, like a fur coat or flashy gold chains. Gay pride's cool and all, but rabble rabble rabble.
just a thought.

Yeah, most people just see it as a part of their life, like strait people treat being strait. But you get the odd person who will just "use" the fact that they are gay (or just pretend to be gay to try to be cool).

[analogZero]

And keep in mind that marriage isn't simply a religious ceremony, as it can be performed either as a religious institution or one of the state, or both. There is being married under the eyes of god, and there is being married in recognition of the state. When you vote for (dis)approval of gay marriage, you're voting that it be legal as a civil marriage acknowledged as a governmental institution. It has absolutely nothing to do with religion in this case as a religious charter will specifically state it's stance on homosexual marital unions.

[Zaraki]

And I am arguing against that because I more that believe that it is incorrect. Put it this way, could you choose? Try it, start having a sexual attraction towards your gender... now! Your sexual preference is not about feeling comfortable or influence from parents, or thinking that it is wrong, it is a sexual feeling. It's fairly easy to tell. As I have said before, people kill themselves because they think that they have a choice when they do not.

Actually the environment a child grows up in will mostly likely have a effect on how they might turn out when they get older. Both of my aunts on my dad's side are liberal. Their kids are liberal as well because that's how they were raised and they also lived in a very liberal community. I have a friend back in high school who grew up with gay parents. He isn't gay in fact he's one hell of a ladies man. His parents would tell him he would have no choice in the matter he was going to be gay and like it. My friend didn't like that lifestyle his dads had and decided he doesn't want to end up like them and tell his kids why they don't have a mother.

No offense but just saying it's not a choice and come up w/ a excuse to make it sound like being gay is natural really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. People who commit suicide because of that are being told by other people that you have no choice and start to believe them then eventually when they are so in the dumps they kill themselves because of that. You have a free will. The choice on how you want to run your life is up to you. You always always have a choice.

The gay and bi friends I have say it's a choice. They have chosen that kind of lifestyle because they do feel comfortable with it. They have tried being w/ the opposite and doesn't work out for them. Then they decided maybe they could do better with the same.

[hsb39]

Actually the environment a child grows up in will mostly likely have a effect on how they might turn out when they get older. Both of my aunts on my dad's side are liberal. Their kids are liberal as well because that's how they were raised and they also lived in a very liberal community. I have a friend back in high school who grew up with gay parents. He isn't gay in fact he's one hell of a ladies man. His parents would tell him he would have no choice in the matter he was going to be gay and like it. My friend didn't like that lifestyle his dads had and decided he doesn't want to end up like them and tell his kids why they don't have a mother.

Your using an example of opinion there, that it incredibly different. This is a sexual feeling, you've got to be sexually attracted to your gender, really try it, I promise that you won't succeed.

No offense but just saying it's not a choice and come up w/ a excuse to make it sound like being gay is natural really doesn't make a whole lot of sense. People who commit suicide because of that are being told by other people that you have no choice and start to believe them then eventually when they are so in the dumps they kill themselves because of that. You have a free will. The choice on how you want to run your life is up to you. You always always have a choice.

You have a choice about what you do, not about your sexual feelings, to all males here: do you choose when you get your erections? Using Zaraki's logic you should be able to. And read some of the storys about those people who kill themselves, and try to bring some respect into it, I don't know anyone who has done it and your remarks still offend me. You used the word natural, I should point out the existence of gay animals when the word natural is flown about.

I talked about the people who have killed themselves, but I have said nothing about those who didn't. People have been thrown out of their houses, discriminated against, and killed. If they had a choice, what do you think that they would have chosen.

The gay and bi friends I have say it's a choice. They have chosen that kind of lifestyle because they do feel comfortable with it. They have tried being w/ the opposite and doesn't work out for them. Then they decided maybe they could do better with the same.

They have tried being with the opposite and they don't feel attracted to them. Sexual preference is not about comfortability, its about a sexual feeling (if I haven't said it enough). Ask your friends whether they choose who they are attracted to.

[analogZero]

I have to say zaraki, that the entire influence of sexual orientation isn't solely based on that of your parents. By the time you reach the age of puberty, you've likely spent as much time under the influence of your parents as you have to those in the outside world. The concept of sex isn't developed until latter years of childhood. And even then it's often heard about more on the playground then it is from the parents. The numerous social influences a child will encounter can easily outweigh those of any parent(s). It seems you're not taking these and many other factors into account. If anything you can argue that homosexuality is a defect of genetics, or faulty chromosomes. that chemical X is being replaced by chemical Y when the brain does it's work. That their naturally inhabited response to reproduction is confused. Though all these things can be argued in opposition to those who are straight. You can choose what to eat when your body tells you you're hungry. But do you choose what makes you salivate? You can choose what will entertain you when you're bored. But do you choose what makes you laugh and cry? You can choose to have sex with a man or a woman when you're horny. But which will make you cum?

[AyumiBee]

So the gens what makes your sexual orientation, you can't do anything against it. There are examples in the wild too. And about homosexuals being punished by death is completely incorrect for me.

[analogZero]

So the gens what makes your sexual orientation, you can't do anything against it. There are examples in the wild too. And about homosexuals being punished by death is completely incorrect for me.

Well that's a scientific explanation I've heard, amongst a few. But I wasn't setting down a straight fact, just a hypothetical argument. I'd call it nature more than anything. anybody seen the crying game, and the tale of the frog and the scorpion?

the scorpion, wishing to cross a stream, asked the frog to let him ride his back over the stream. When the frog asked the scorpion how he could be sure that the scorpion would not sting him, the scorpion replied that if he did sting him, it would mean death by drowning for both of them. The frog complies, carrying the scorpion on its back across the stream. Before they reach the other side, however, the frog feels pain and realizes that the scorpion has stung him. He protests, "Why did you sting me, Mr. Scorpion? For now we both will drown!" The scorpion replies, "I can't help it, it's in my nature."

[Zaraki]

I have to say zaraki, that the entire influence of sexual orientation isn't solely based on that of your parents. By the time you reach the age of puberty, you've likely spent as much time under the influence of your parents as you have to those in the outside world. The concept of sex isn't developed until latter years of childhood. And even then it's often heard about more on the playground then it is from the parents. The numerous social influences a child will encounter can easily outweigh those of any parent(s). It seems you're not taking these and many other factors into account. If anything you can argue that homosexuality is a defect of genetics, or faulty chromosomes. that chemical X is being replaced by chemical Y when the brain does it's work. That their naturally inhabited response to reproduction is confused. Though all these things can be argued in opposition to those who are straight. You can choose what to eat when your body tells you you're hungry. But do you choose what makes you salivate? You can choose what will entertain you when you're bored. But do you choose what makes you laugh and cry? You can choose to have sex with a man or a woman when you're horny. But which will make you cum?

actually i have taken that into account that's what i meant about the environment they have grown up in.

[analogZero]

but if that's the case, then it doesn't matter if you have gay parents, you could still end up any number of gender or sexual orientations. It may not simply be as simple as outside stimulus is what I'm saying. Homo/trans/bi/pan/etc.sexuality is as likely to be inherent as it is to be developmental external influence. Otherwise gay parents would produce gay children and straight parents would create straight children and single parents would create asexuals and kids that masturbate. and there's too many kids who masturbate to account for all the single parents in the world.

[Nightmare]

I have to say zaraki, that the entire influence of sexual orientation isn't solely based on that of your parents. By the time you reach the age of puberty, you've likely spent as much time under the influence of your parents as you have to those in the outside world. The concept of sex isn't developed until latter years of childhood. And even then it's often heard about more on the playground then it is from the parents. The numerous social influences a child will encounter can easily outweigh those of any parent(s). It seems you're not taking these and many other factors into account. If anything you can argue that homosexuality is a defect of genetics, or faulty chromosomes. that chemical X is being replaced by chemical Y when the brain does it's work. That their naturally inhabited response to reproduction is confused. Though all these things can be argued in opposition to those who are straight. You can choose what to eat when your body tells you you're hungry. But do you choose what makes you salivate? You can choose what will entertain you when you're bored. But do you choose what makes you laugh and cry? You can choose to have sex with a man or a woman when you're horny. But which will make you cum?

This is a valid point and a theory that is gaining more and more support is the scientific community. It goes like this your emotions are less effected by environment that by genes; you don't necessarily react to things like your situation demands because genes affect you more than environment. That is not to say the environment has no effect just that it has much less than we thought. Meaning there are no soles in humans giving them emotions it's just another thing we humans used as an excuse to rase ourselves up above other animals (little wonder it is part of religion). Witch also means likely as not animals also have emotions... kind of makes you want to become a vegetarian huh?

[leoern]

I think that gay marriage should be legalized the homosexual community should be able to find happiness its in the basic rights of men to have a pursuit of happiness and when we say they cant be happy were saying they arent humans and no one has the right to say that to anyone and anyone who thinks there wrong have you stopped to think that maybe were all wrong and there right or maybe just maybe we are all right (my beleif) i am a heterosexual male and im not saying im normal around gay people to me its weird and i am ashamed i feel that way however i would never stop being someones friend if i found out they were gay so what i am saying is dont rip on or discrimanate against gay people were all human and have the rights of humanity and no one should be an ass hole just cuz someone is different.

anyway thats what i think

[damnedmylz]

wow! this thread is still alive!

go gay marriage!

Dont mind what people have to say!

its your own life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

~~~~~~~~=P

[gunbound15]

Look, what I found:
This map illustrates the "World homosexuality laws" among all of the continents.
Isn't this interesting?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/World_homosexuality_laws.svg/800px-World_homosexuality_laws.svg.png
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii172/hispirit/mapse.png


The most interesting: "Large penalty," "Life in prison," "Death penalty!" :o.o:


[source :: Wiki]

figures most of the islamic countries would have the death penalty, no offense
against Islam but that religion is so restrictive on so many things. i'm suprised
they haven't outlawed television and electricity in the koran yet.
anyways, i'm okay with gay marriages, but i just don't want to see a big billboard
that says IT'S OK TO BE A GAY COUPLE!. i also think that gay couples should
not be allowed to adopt or have any children, mainly because it's gonna
be hard on the children.

[Nightmare]

Oh yes? as painful as being brought up in some horrible orphanage where no one really gives a dam about you. Compared to a loving family albeit a tad unorthodox. and lets not for get signal parents everyone knows that they can't provide nearly so stable an environment as a family with two parents should the government take children away from people who get a divorce?

[hsb39]

actually i have taken that into account that's what i meant about the environment they have grown up in.

You didn't really say anything to the rest of his point. I have to say Zaraki, you need to have a long talk to a gay person who has been persecuted for it, go to one of the Mardi Gras and talk to the elderly people there, it may enlighten you, it certainly inspires me.

figures most of the islamic countries would have the death penalty, no offense
against Islam but that religion is so restrictive on so many things. i'm suprised
they haven't outlawed television and electricity in the koran yet.
anyways, i'm okay with gay marriages, but i just don't want to see a big billboard
that says IT'S OK TO BE A GAY COUPLE!. i also think that gay couples should
not be allowed to adopt or have any children, mainly because it's gonna
be hard on the children.

I guess that that shows what can happen when church isn't separated from state, people can get punished due to a belief system that they do not believe in.

[acelomado]

I'm not In behalfof this kind of sexual option, but, at the same time a don't like prejudice, so, if there is love between two people, thas's important...

http://www.animefuel.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=1256&pictureid=13954

[Zaraki]

You didn't really say anything to the rest of his point. I have to say Zaraki, you need to have a long talk to a gay person who has been persecuted for it, go to one of the Mardi Gras and talk to the elderly people there, it may enlighten you, it certainly inspires me.


actually i have my uncle who use to be gay.

[Vala Ketra]

Gay marriages are..........for gay people.......who are gay.....

[hsb39]

actually i have my uncle who use to be gay.

If you are gay, you are gay, and don't just say that I am saying it, because I have presented logical points towards it, and am continuing to do so. When I said the gay people who have suffered, I mean those that would have chosen if they could have. I am strait, and if I was given the choice I would be strait, simply because life is easier in this world for the strait person. This is the same for many of the gay people that I know, they would have chosen to be strait, their life was made much, much harder due to persecution. No matter what you do, you can't change what turns you on, really, try it, you say that people can choose, right now, choose, and then choose back.

[Russkie]

I was searching through the many pages (due to boredom and the lack of better things to do) and quickly realized something. This is a very annoying topic. All I see is "Love is love", "theres nothing wrong with it", "God said you cant do it", "its wrong on so many levels", and "are you by any chance going to eat that moldy sponge?".

Really now, I am not a fan of what they do. I find it rather repulsive and slightly irritating. But do you hear me complaining? No, because its their problem and not mine. I would gladly like to go back to doing some more of my important NOTHING and continue to completely ignore them and their many issues.

[leerock89]

This thing is still going? I would think it would run out of steam and after going through about 10 pages of it I realize its been a conversation basically between 3 people with random people coming in and saying random things. This thread is about to be moderated soon.

[Russkie]

This thing is still going? I would think it would run out of steam and after going through about 10 pages of it I realize its been a conversation basically between 3 people with random people coming in and saying random things. This thread is about to be moderated soon.

Hooray for moderation!

...Its interesting how people are more willing rabble on about gays than they are about the zombie apocalypse.

[leerock89]

Well I suspect that the ones keeping the conversation alive are closet gays/bi and they just want to speak about it and the ones responding are just bi/curious. People, get over it. It's just marriage, whether its with a man and woman or man and man/woman and woman. This thread as a few days of life before I close it so get it all out of your systems people.

[hsb39]

Hooray for moderation!

...Its interesting how people are more willing rabble on about gays than they are about the zombie apocalypse.

Gay rights tend to be more relavent.

Well I suspect that the ones keeping the conversation alive are closet gays/bi and they just want to speak about it and the ones responding are just bi/curious. People, get over it. It's just marriage, whether its with a man and woman or man and man/woman and woman. This thread as a few days of life before I close it so get it all out of your systems people.

Some people could be quite offended by that post. I am a strong believer in gay rights who knows many gay people, and I think that I have been doing the most posts on this thread. And there have been some good discussions here, between me and Zaraki for example. And what is wrong with a thread being mainly between three people?

[Russkie]

Gay rights tend to be more relavent.

Says you. I'd like to see you say that again after having you bum nibbled on by an undead fat man.

Cheers.

[contrast]

Cool, go Leerock89! Its about time. for the fact finders who want to know:

A Domestic Partnership is the exact equal to Marriage they are labeled differently because when it comes to Marriage it belongs sacredly to a unification between a Man and Women, its in my Webster's Pocket Dictionary. The named differently but have the same benefits if not more for "DP". So chill already.

[Zaraki]

i know plenty of gay people and bi people and i think it should be alowd i mean damn if they love eachother it should be ok but noooooo we got stupid people that beleave in something that dose not exsist and well follow it blindly becas it makes life easer not to have to think about things but eneyway yes i think it should be alowed



ones gay awase gay dude

my uncle was going through some tough times back then and had chosen a lifestyle that he still regrets to this day because of it. anyways people can change.

Some people could be quite offended by that post. I am a strong believer in gay rights who knows many gay people, and I think that I have been doing the most posts on this thread. And there have been some good discussions here, between me and Zaraki for example. And what is wrong with a thread being mainly between three people?
lol yeah this thread has had a nice run. there have been some people other than me and hsb though lee who have also brought up a good few points as well.

[Koopaking]

Very very very interesting thread here... I just spent the past 45 minutes reading all of the posts...

Why can't we all just... get along in this world?

[puppetz]

i say who cares. we have more important issues to deal with in this democracy of hipocracy.

[leerock89]

Some people could be quite offended by that post. I am a strong believer in gay rights who knows many gay people, and I think that I have been doing the most posts on this thread. And there have been some good discussions here, between me and Zaraki for example. And what is wrong with a thread being mainly between three people?

You obviously have no idea who I am. That doesn't really bother be either. So I'm guessing this is pretty much over right?? I mean talking about this is nice and all but I do believe all points were touched and any more is just a way to come up with post counts. Once again, people its just marriage. Get over it.

-La Closed