prop 8

[☺Shigeki☺]

WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT PROP 8???
i am going to vote no
i think everyone should have the right to love who they love...
im going to vote no on bannding same sex marriage please if you are 18 or older please if you belive in this vote no on prop 8
they are down by well i dont know the percentage now but they need your help on getting people saying no
if you dont belive then thats what you belive but if you do please help!!:cute::dancing::cute::dancing::cute:::D::dan cing::ramen:
everyone has the right ot love who they want!!

[kanama k.]

IM VOTEING NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
WOOOHOO GO HOMOSEXUALS AND BISEXUALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOVE WHO YOU WANT!!♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
that great shigeki that you belive in thatXDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[quietchat]

Isn't that ONLY in California?

[Unknown]

Isn't that ONLY in California?

You can still give your opinion..

Anyway, I'm going to stay away from this topic..

[Russkie]

Eww... Homosexuals...

[Corwin]

I live in CA and I think this is a stupid Prop, it never should have come to a vote, mostly b/c it's based around a lie, that schools will teach 2nd grade children about same sex marriage which is bullshit, 2nd grade kids aren't even being taught about normal marriage, so who the hell is going to tell them about same sex marriage? But I'm too lazy to get my ass out of bed to go vote no on this issue, but I wish them luck

[quietchat]

I saw somthing about that on MSN.com

Even if it passes, it won't actually change anything in the school

[Corwin]

yeah I know, they could just as easily teach about same sex marriage b/c of other states that allow it, this is just a desperate attempt by a bunch of scared ppl, capitalizing on other ppl's fear of answering tough questions for their kids in order to reach their own goal of indirect gay bashing, which is all this is

[Dragon_Of_]

Isn't that ONLY in California?

it's on the ballot in my state (Ohio) too, so apparently not. i'm voting no, it's worng imo to say "you can't get married 'cause you're different" next thing yu know they'll come after YOUR rights, if they get away with this.

and technically it's a form of discrimination, and is against the constitution anyway.. so if someone really pressed it, it could get over turned (if ruled illegal) i mean... becuase the first ammendment CLEARLY states: "congress shall make no law respecting an estabolishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" so to me that means they cannot ban gay marriage becuase that's all people who are against it have is "my god says it is wrong" YET they IMO should not be able to force a church to have a gay wedding there or a minister to precide over the wedding if he/she doesn't want to.

[kanama k.]

yeah cause its all lies they just want you vote yes on it ...and many people are because of the school thing which is "bullshit"
sucks butt
well if i could vote it would be a no for me

[Magicbird]

Its called Prop 102 here in Arizona, and all over Arizona, its says "Vote Yes For Marriage because Marriage is with one man, one woman."
And I believe that too. It just doesnt seem right if a kid has gay parents.

[Corwin]

So you're saying it's better if a child has only one parent rather than have gay parents?

[Magicbird]

Yes. What difference can another dad/mom make?
Sounds like it would just be confusing for the kid

[aya143]

omg wat the heck is prop 8?.............ahahaha

[xXWENWENXx]

omg wat the heck is prop 8?.............ahahaha

i wanted to ask that..

[Magicbird]

omg wat the heck is prop 8?.............ahahaha

Its that "Vote Yes/No For Marriage".
I think when we vote this November, on the ballot it will ask if you support marriage or not.

i wanted to ask that..
No unnecessary posts, please.

[Corwin]

so you're denying studies that say children growing up in a home with 2 parents as opposed to one are more likely to succeed and less likely to become felons and homicidal maniacs? Well, if that's the case, maybe one of those children w/ only one parent b/c you denied their right to have 2 mothers or 2 fathers will swing by and have a very unpleasant visit with you

[soulten]

omg wat the heck is prop 8?.............ahahaha

i wanted to ask that..

Did you two even read the first post?
Anyway I don't really care,can't vote and people can do whatever they want.

[aezgaga]

Arg with a kid with 2 dude as parent ... the kid would probably finish gay too..... and that would just make more and more and more gay O.o omg T_T Where I live they have a town !!!! damn... you just see gay flag everywhere .... well I'll say no because they can still do what they want but.... as long that they don't take a child... it's okay

[xXWENWENXx]

Arg with a kid with 2 dude as parent ... the kid would probably finish gay too..... and that would just make more and more and more gay O.o omg T_T Where I live they have a town !!!! damn... you just see gay flag everywhere .... well I'll say no because they can still do what they want but.... as long that they don't take a child... it's okay

ahaha..dat's funny


but how do thy hv kids?
may b adoption

[Bee_Chan]

I don't know what you guys are talking about,
but I'm all for same sex marriage.

[Champbryce]

People should be able to love who ever they want

[aezgaga]

ahaha..dat's funny


but how do thy hv kids?
may b adoption

yeah adoption and I heard that a doctor work on put an uterus on the chest of a gay guy.... so with that ... gay dude could be pregnant ... omg T_T

[kanama k.]

Arg with a kid with 2 dude as parent ... the kid would probably finish gay too..... and that would just make more and more and more gay O.o omg T_T Where I live they have a town !!!! damn... you just see gay flag everywhere .... well I'll say no because they can still do what they want but.... as long that they don't take a child... it's okay

thats so not true it some ones chose to be gay so you cant say that
and pulse its a gentic thing...you cant be tought to be gay

People should be able to love who ever they want

yes that is sooo true

[aezgaga]

thats so not true it some ones chose to be gay so you cant say that
and pulse its a gentic thing...you cant be tought to be gay

I know But what i mean is that the kid can have higher prob to became gay because he would be raise in that way... If a kid and have parent that hate gay !!!! the child would be scare that gay people are evil or going to hell.... that child probably never became gay understand ? I know it's a story of feeling but education can have an impac on this:fruit:

[User Name]

I'm fine with it as long as they don't have children.

[Corwin]

I think they have every right to have children, the fact that they are gay should have nothing to do with it, children get raised by relatives(not always their own) that are the same sex but have no physical relationship with each other, such as being raised by 2 sisters, or 2 brothers, they aren't gay, but they are of the same sex, should they be penalized b/c you think a child shouldn't have same sex role models? As for the possibility that they will become gay b/c of having gay parents, that's bullshit, they will only be gay if they were born that way, same sex parents doesn't have a damn thing to do with it, what same sex parents is likely to do to the child is make him or her more tolerant of other people and their differences, and less likely to deny their homosexuality if they decide they are gay, which in the long run is better for all concerned. aezgaga, ur posts are coming across and bigoted and fearful, and don't seem to have any real basis in fact, go read some actual unbiased studies about situations concerning gay parents to get the real story on this sort of thing before you say anything more, and keep in mind, children of gay parents are more likely to treat women with the respect and kindness they deserve, less likely to commit a felony, and less likely to go on a homicidal killing spree, while on the other hand, if you look at a world of children raised by 2 heterosexual parents of different genders, we have murderers, rapists, bank robbers, thieves, pedophiles, kidnappers, etc.

[Dragon_Of_]

I think they have every right to have children, the fact that they are gay should have nothing to do with it, children get raised by relatives(not always their own) that are the same sex but have no physical relationship with each other, such as being raised by 2 sisters, or 2 brothers, they aren't gay, but they are of the same sex, should they be penalized b/c you think a child shouldn't have same sex role models? As for the possibility that they will become gay b/c of having gay parents, that's bullshit, they will only be gay if they were born that way, same sex parents doesn't have a damn thing to do with it, what same sex parents is likely to do to the child is make him or her more tolerant of other people and their differences, and less likely to deny their homosexuality if they decide they are gay, which in the long run is better for all concerned. aezgaga, ur posts are coming across and bigoted and fearful, and don't seem to have any real basis in fact, go read some actual unbiased studies about situations concerning gay parents to get the real story on this sort of thing before you say anything more, and keep in mind, children of gay parents are more likely to treat women with the respect and kindness they deserve, less likely to commit a felony, and less likely to go on a homicidal killing spree, while on the other hand, if you look at a world of children raised by 2 heterosexual parents of different genders, we have murderers, rapists, bank robbers, thieves, pedophiles, kidnappers, etc.

i say it should all depend on the couple who is adopting the child, some couples (be it gay or straight) are better suited to raise a child than others.

[aezgaga]

I'm not say that It WILL become gay with two GAY (same sex's parent it's not the same thing) I just say that there is have MORE CHANCE to become gay so if you understand that i say that if the parent of a child is gay well the child will be gay... sorry it's not what I meant ^^ And i'm not fearful I just say that there is more and more gay that a fact lool

[User Name]

I think they have every right to have children, the fact that they are gay should have nothing to do with it, children get raised by relatives(not always their own) that are the same sex but have no physical relationship with each other, such as being raised by 2 sisters, or 2 brothers, they aren't gay, but they are of the same sex, should they be penalized b/c you think a child shouldn't have same sex role models? As for the possibility that they will become gay b/c of having gay parents, that's bullshit, they will only be gay if they were born that way, same sex parents doesn't have a damn thing to do with it, what same sex parents is likely to do to the child is make him or her more tolerant of other people and their differences, and less likely to deny their homosexuality if they decide they are gay, which in the long run is better for all concerned. aezgaga, ur posts are coming across and bigoted and fearful, and don't seem to have any real basis in fact, go read some actual unbiased studies about situations concerning gay parents to get the real story on this sort of thing before you say anything more, and keep in mind, children of gay parents are more likely to treat women with the respect and kindness they deserve, less likely to commit a felony, and less likely to go on a homicidal killing spree, while on the other hand, if you look at a world of children raised by 2 heterosexual parents of different genders, we have murderers, rapists, bank robbers, thieves, pedophiles, kidnappers, etc.

Adoption is fine but not have their own. They've decided to remove themselves out of the gene pool.

If they were born that way then its obvious that they shouldn't breed.

[Russkie]

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[aezgaga]

Wow.... couldn't say better .... *bow*

[Ryuuzaki]

http://forums.filefront.com/attachments/spam-forum/64307d1213470027-de-motivational-posters-62906d1207103995-dumbest-protester-ever-redundancy.jpg

Damnit... I wanted to post that.

[Holly-Sama]

I vote no...I guess.

[Champbryce]

Love who you want. whatever

[Sahaqiel]

Marriage was originally for a man, and a woman, OR a man and a man, until about 300 years after the start of Christianity, where they were like, "Hey, guys, yeah, sorry, but we're establishing disctatorship over your lives. Have fun being wherever you go according to our Bible!"
Then, the Romans sought out and burned every homosexual they could find at the stake.
Despite every Roman emperor prior to that point being in an active relationship with another man.

Marriage isn't even a religious thing. Yet, America decides to put the definition of Marriage up to Christians.
I mean, everyone from Athiests to Satanists marry.
It's not an exclusively Christian practice. There was marriage (Same-sex and others) marriage since the beginning of Eastern Asia's history, and in places like ancient Egypt, and each continent has a history of prominent homosexuality.

There's nothing wrong with it. Some have said that they'll be teaching homosexuality in schools. Not once in my entire student career have I heard, "Hey, you have to date only *Left blank for others' confusion, but the opposite sex, basically*". Not once.

Some people argue that the entire human race will diminish.
Wtf?
I mean, abstinence is more popular than homosexuality.
Has abstinence caught on and destroyed our population?
No?
Then stfu, please.

As personal as this may sound, (No, I am not homosexual or bisexual) this is all unbiased fact, and should be taken into consideration logically.

I honestly thought we as a species should always try to advance.
Which is why things like Prop 8 should never have come into being.

[xXWENWENXx]

if u r homo..u r disobeying god
is a sin

[aezgaga]

if u r homo..u r disobeying god
is a sin

.... You never comitted any sin ? there is many more than just being gay lol (I don't know if someone have never comitted sin in his life lol)

[strike7785]

I dont mind gay/lesbian marriges but as soon as a gay guy hits on mee he is going to loose something very important... I think its great for girls on girls but nasty for guys on guys, but if they choose to be that way than I support it

[aezgaga]

Gay are like spider...I have nothing against them at least that they are not too close of me ¬¬

[Russkie]

.... You never comitted any sin ? there is many more than just being gay lol (I don't know if someone have never comitted sin in his life lol)

I dont think thats the point he/she was trying to make. Of course we've all sinned, but that doesnt mean you're supposed to give up and not even try.

[aezgaga]

He/she say.... If you are homo that's a sin you are desobeing god... what is the point that I didn't catch?


and


I dont think thats the point he/she was trying to make. Of course we've all sinned, but that doesnt mean you're supposed to give up and not even try.



Trying what ???

[Russkie]

Trying what ???

Read your comment, and then my comment again. If you still havent figured it out... You're an idiot.

[Narutorox]

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[Vakarak]

i have no clue what thats supposed to do with anything chels... o_o

but gays should be subjected to the full benefit of life... including the cruel and brutal lie of what a mirage marriage is. maybe then can they stop going to the supermarket. jeeeeeeeeez.

[Sahaqiel]

if u r homo..u r disobeying god
is a sin

Murderers "disobey God".
And they can still marry, according to Christian beliefs.
What kind of sense do you make?

As I said before, marriage is not strictly a Christian/Generally religious thing.
So it should not be up to religion to decide.

[Russkie]

Murderers "disobey God".
And they can still marry, according to Christian beliefs.
What kind of sense do you make?

As I said before, marriage is not strictly a Christian/Generally religious thing.
So it should not be up to religion to decide.

I really want to debate with you on this, but from your previous posts, you seem like the kind of person who pulls arguments out of your ass. But then again, I dont want your idiocy to run rampant through the threads...

I dont know, I'll think about it.

[Sahaqiel]

I really want to debate with you on this, but from your previous posts, you seem like the kind of person who pulls arguments out of your ass. But then again, I dont want your idiocy to run rampant through the threads...

I dont know, I'll think about it.

From this post, I gather you're very biased and do not like to consider logical things that go against your current state of beliefs, and will instead insult the poster of these points instead of giving some points of your own.
If I pull arguments out of my ass, shouldn't I be pretty easy to disprove?
Think about it.

[Russkie]

From this post, I gather you're very biased and do not like to consider logical things that go against your current state of beliefs,

Biased? Who, me? Naw...

and will instead insult the poster of these points

Hey, that sounds like something I would do.

instead of giving some points of your own.

I would love to talk about me and my own personal veiws (no I wouldnt), but I already know how this conversation will turn out. You will leave thinking you're right, and I will leave the same way.

If I pull arguments out of my ass, shouldn't I be pretty easy to disprove?
Think about it.

Unfortunately, no. Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you not one of those people who needs to see it, feel it, smell it, hear it, teaste it, before acknowledging its existance?

If you are indeed one of these people, then it will be pretty darn close to impossible to get you to think the other way.

[Sahaqiel]

Acknowledging what's existence?
The issue at hand is whether or not Prop 8 should be passed.

What do I have to acknowledge, exactly?
As for your query about how I perceive things,
This is called logic.
So you're saying, you think it's impossible to disprove me in both our eyes because I use logic?

No, I concede defeat when I see it.
Religion is just not a way to prove things.

[Russkie]

Acknowledging what's existence?
The issue at hand is whether or not Prop 8 should be passed.

Yes, but you did a really nice job adding religion to the argument.

What do I have to acknowledge, exactly?

Well it would be really awesome if you acknowledged God, bit I guess that would be a little too much to ask for right now?

As for your query about how I perceive things,
This is called logic.

Yes, and logic is a funny thing. It can either be right, or wrong depending on how you look at things.

So you're saying, you think it's impossible to disprove me in both our eyes because I use logic?

I use logic too you know, just not the same kind. And I dont think I meant that I cant disprove you/ you cant disprove me, I mean it all depends on if I accept what you say/ you accept what I say.

Which will be highly unlikely for the both of us.

No, I concede defeat when I see it.
Religion is just not a way to prove things.

Pfft, says you.

(Oh, and I guess I'm going to start arguing now, obviously)

[Sahaqiel]

Despite your religious way of thinking, homosexuality as a "sin" in your bible can also be forgiven, according to your bible.
So, if homosexuals marrying is a sin, they should theoretically just be able to pray their sin away, correct?

Also, I think you're mistaking me for a completely concrete thinker type-of-person.
I think oft of abstract things such as religion or love.
And I think that the existence of love is as real as the existence of religion. (I'm not saying that religion is correct, though. I'm not saying it's wrong, either, but just bear with me.)

If a man and a man could love each other back then, what exactly, told them they couldn't? Christianity. Although it didn't exactly tell them more than it did butcher them. Love was a right to homosexuals and heterosexuals alike that was taken away from the homosexuals by religion, and correct me if I'm wrong, but,
doesn't this seem a bit unfair?
To judge one by the one he or she loves? What, exactly, is wrong with keeping the presence of love alive between two people?

There are people who have argued that it isn't natural.
This mindset has no grounds for most people who state it.
For instance, shaving is not natural, however, millions practice it daily. There are no restrictions on it. The same can be said of motor vehicles, of deodorant, etc.

However, homosexuality is an expressed trait in all forms of sexual life.

Mice, for example, when grossly overpopulated or disease-ridden, will take up homosexuality as a commonly expressed trait, therefore keeping their numbers low and stable, as well as satisfying their physical desires.

Also, to an unbiased mind, religion is certainly not a way to prove anything.

[Russkie]

Despite your religious way of thinking, homosexuality as a "sin" in your bible can also be forgiven, according to your bible.
So, if homosexuals marrying is a sin, they should theoretically just be able to pray their sin away, correct?

No, it doesnt work that way. To repent, on must actually grieve about what they've done. None of this "Oh I'm sorry, but I'm going to keep doing it anyways".

If a man and a man could love each other back then, what exactly, told them they couldn't? Christianity. Although it didn't exactly tell them more than it did butcher them.

No one took their "right" away (mainly because you need to be given the right in the first place...). Its as simple as this; God doesnt allow it... you cant get any higher than God.

And what gave you the idea it wasnt a sin before Christ? Obviously, that didnt stop them, but it still didnt make it right.

Love was a right to homosexuals and heterosexuals alike that was taken away from the homosexuals by religion, and correct me if I'm wrong, but,
doesn't this seem a bit unfair? To judge one by the one he or she loves?

I'm going to be as simple as I can when it comes to answering your question about fairness; NO. Now, I dont hate homosexuals, but I dont agree with them. I dont agree with what they do, and neither does God. Why you ask? *I'll explain ahead.

What, exactly, is wrong with keeping the presence of love alive between two people?

Nothing wrong with it, as long as its between a man and a woman.

There are people who have argued that it isn't natural.
This mindset has no grounds for most people who state it.
For instance, shaving is not natural, however, millions practice it daily. There are no restrictions on it. The same can be said of motor vehicles, of deodorant, etc.

Because it isnt natural. Can a man and a man, or a woman and a woman procreate children? No, they cannot.

Sure, there are hairs that grow in annoying places. And there are smells that can be offensive to just about anyone. But personally, I dont think that falls under the same category.

However, homosexuality is an expressed trait in all forms of sexual life.

Mice, for example, when grossly overpopulated or disease-ridden, will take up homosexuality as a commonly expressed trait, therefore keeping their numbers low and stable, as well as satisfying their physical desires.

I disagree with this. I have known it to be a fact that animals do not have "gay sex". Until you can provide a correct source of information, I will discard this as a valid argument.

Also, to an unbiased mind, religion is certainly not a way to prove anything.

I disagree with this as well. Science is nice, but religion has proven more to me than the world will ever be able to do.



*Want to know why homosexuality is a sin? Well, here I go:

Yes, from what I understand, sex is enjoyable... but its not all for enjoyment. It is to create life. You cant do that if you start pairing positives and positives, negitives and negitives. If you do that, then you frustrate part of Gods plan, which is the number one reason why its such a bad sin.

[Sahaqiel]

Homosexuality is not purely a sexual thing.
One can be homosexual and abstain from sex.
If you're going to use lack of procreation as an excuse for it being a sin, then you might as well condemn abstinent people or impotent people as well.

There are religions that boast that they are correct. (Like yours) However, how would you feel if they took away your right to marry because you were Caucasian, or Christian, even?

All sides should be thought through at least moderately.

[Russkie]

Homosexuality is not purely a sexual thing.

I know, I know, and I dont doubt that many homosexuals do love each other. But the point I'm trying to get across is that its wrong.

One can be homosexual and abstain from sex.
If you're going to use lack of procreation as an excuse for it being a sin, then you might as well condemn abstinent people or impotent people as well.

For the record, I am not condemning anyone, nor do I want it to look that way (and if I have made it look like that, then I appologize). I just dont believe that is the right thing to do.

There are religions that boast that they are correct. (Like yours) However, how would you feel if they took away your right to marry because you were Caucasian, or Christian, even?

About the only being that could take the ability for me to love away, would probably be God. And to be honest, that doesnt sound like him.

All sides should be thought through at least moderately.

Agreed.

[Sahaqiel]

Key:
_ Text. _ (Information reliant on other cited resources.)

i. Disclaimer

This proceeding may have inappropriate material that may offend certain individuals, but I remind the reader that it is in the defense of the groups in subject to this piece. Note that this may take up a large amount of your time. As to whether or not it is useful or worth your time is entirely up to you. I am not a homosexual, nor am I an atheist.

1. The Purpose

The purpose of this argument is to try to sway the opinions of biased individuals in regards to their views on homosexuality. This is in no way an attack on the people who have a view biased against homosexuality, but something for them to think about.

2. The Argument

My argument relies upon both fact and certain perspectives on human nature. I will try to be as unbiased as I can.

3. It's Unnatural!

This is a repeated statement throughout homophobic arguments, and is mostly a hypocritical belief. Before I explain, I would like to point out that nature itself boasts in favor of unity amongst homosexuals. Nothing is more unbiased than nature itself. Some flowers contain both male and female parts, some are forced to pollinate themselves, some pollinate others. Snails sometimes mate with themselves to produce offspring. This is just a simple example.
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In populations of mice and other such mammals, homosexuality is used as a defense mechanism. When population density reaches a high level, and famine and disease threaten the population, homosexuality is not only expressed, but often common. This protects their population from dying out through such disease and famine by decreasing the population while still satisfying basic instinctual urges.

Among human populations, homosexuality occurs at a certain rate in all populations. Thus homosexuality is natural and inevitable. Data suggests that homosexuality may be at least partly genetically determined. A semi-technical paper at the University of Texas with the title "Biological Correlates of being Gay - Biological Determinism?" is available at www.utexas.edu/courses/bio301d/Topics/Gay/Text.html

In short, it's simply wrong to say that homosexual behavior is never natural.

This man isn't even an Atheist.

Why would the Creator create this state of affairs among humans? I don't know, but my own experience with human gays is that, on the average, they are more sensitive, insightful and caring than the rest of us, so maybe that's enough of an answer right there.
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~Source: Backyard Science (http://www.backyardnature.net/j/o/homosex.htm)

Reverting back to my previous point, the statement that homosexuality is unnatural is a hypocritical belief. If you were to say that homosexuality is not natural, and therefore, is wrong, then you would also have to say that other unnatural things are wrong. Shaving, (Or cutting your hair, even.) is not natural, soft drinks are not natural, cars are not natural. All of these fit into the "unnatural" category even more than homosexuality, which has been proven to be something that occurs without external manipulation.

Furthermore, I've forgotten to note that some people find it "gross". Nobody forces you to watch homosexual sex. Nor do they force you to watch two people kiss. If you count a man kissing a man gross, you might as well consider a man kissing a woman gross; you're the one choosing to watch it.
Either way, it does not decrease that person's value as a human being. It's only "gross" in some people's eyes because of its consideration of not being normal. Which brings me to my next point.

4. "Normality"

Many anti-homosexuals also state that it is not, in society, normal to be homosexual. This "norm" has raised them to believe that "gay" or "homo" is synonymous (Meaning the same) as "stupid". (i.e. - "This is gay!")
Society does not have a norm that is set in stone. In a reinforcing statement regarding the previous section, the very existence of DNA practically screams that people were designed to be different. Not only that, but society forces people to be different in their own ways. "Normality" is an illusion. People are meant to be different, and if that difference is too much for you to accept, then you yourself are being "abnormal".

5. "Morality"

In certain religions, it is considered "immoral" to be of the homosexual persuasion. But more often than not, these religions contradict themselves. Many religions both boast that "all people are equal in the eyes of God", and they say "ask, and you will be forgiven". The people who are part of these religions that do not accept homosexuality, again, more often than not, say that homosexuals either burn in Hell or are not equal to other "God-created" beings. A purpose of religion is also to feel a sense of belonging, or a sense of equality and a feeling of brotherly love towards your fellow man. However, people who participate in these beliefs are many a time the same people who do not take the time to know a man, but instead, judge him by the person he or she loves, and will even petition their relationship.
Believe it or not, you can be a respectable person and still be a homosexual.

Again, this is an unbiased view; people actually do this.
(Of course, there are religious people that do not have problems with homosexuals.)

Also, some people believe that homosexuality is on par with murder. No. It takes no life. Some have argued that it prevents a person's life from happening, therefore it's a sin. If this were true, all abstinent people would be sinning. If I never reproduced, then I would be a sinner, according to this view. And yet, I have done nothing. Are people in comas who have the plug pulled sinners?

6. History

History is much in favor of homosexuality, but for some reason, always hit a snag.

Anthropologists report that women in Lesotho, Afria, engaged in socially accepted "long term, erotic relationships," called motsoalle. Warriors from Congo also took boy-wives from the ages of 12-20, who would help with household tasks and engage in sexual activities. However, this died out by the time European explorers took control of certain parts of Africa.
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Native American, (South, North, and Central) tribes commonly participated in "Two-Spirit" relationships where a male or female would be raised to be with the gender of their selection. Two-Spirit relationships were common amongst shamans, and they were praised for their superior spirituality in comparison to regular shamans. They would have sexual intercourse with regular members of the same sex. However, this was crushed by Spaniards who invaded the land. The invaders repeatedly resorted to such things as public burnings and mass executions.

The king’s brother and a number of other courtiers were dressed as women, and according to the accounts of the neighbours shared the same passion. Vasco ordered forty of them to be torn to pieces by dogs.
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~Source: DeRLAS (http://www.udel.edu/LAS/Vol3-2Coello.html#Introduction)

Homosexual relationships in eastern Asia have been some of the earliest recorded in history. No country in eastern Asia today has a restriction or prohibition on homosexual behaviors today. There's not much to say about this.

In Europe, homosexuality was commonplace in ancient times, in all places except Rome, where free boys were not allowed to partake in homosexual relationships. All Roman emperors with the exception of Claudius took up male sexual partners, however. In the year 390, homosexuals were condemned to be burned at the stake, and this was far after the supposed start of Christianity. Homosexuality in Europe flourished once more, though, during the Renaissance.

Homosexuality in the Middle East, primarily in Muslim nations, is on the death penalty at the moment. The government in Iran denies homosexuals even exist in their nations. In Persia, homosexuality used to be a common thing, and homosexual affection was allowed in all places heterosexual affection was permitted.

7. History Doomed to Repeat?

During World War II, Hitler not only antagonized Jews, but burned homosexuals as well. Modern protests against homosexuality are very similar to older protests against race or ethnicity. Homosexuals were condemned often in society for their "difference". This solved nothing. If the homophobic attitude persists, there is a chance it will repeat itself.

8. Berating and Influential Bias

Older generations have influenced our current generation greatly. Many people choose to insult or degrade homosexuals for their choice based on things older generations have expressed to them, or from previously mentioned bias against what is not considered "in the norm" or the majority.

This is no better than racism.

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9. Why Fight For It?/It Doesn't Involve Me

If you hold this view, then you might as well be in homosexual favor. However, it does involve you, and it is something that is a worthy goal to fight for. Homosexuality is not only functional within a relationship within itself, but would also serve the world to make it a better place for people, given that restrictions are lifted on it. There is a large amount of homosexual bullying. I have a lesbian friend who came out of the closet and dealt with bullying heavily when it was first exposed to her school. Unity is an issue, and it needs to be resolved. The only way that will happen is if people learn to get along.

Of course, homosexuality is an important factor in population control. The world can NOT support all people, and homosexuality would decrease the amount of people that the Earth struggles so hard to get used to. In China, there is a limit on how many children you can have, because the population is so unwieldy. Homosexuality does not hurt that, or any society, I guarantee you.

Moreover, since the Creator has made it so that among higher mammals homosexual behavior increases in populations under stress, and humanity right now, because of overpopulation and inequitable distribution of resources, is under enormous stress, the phenomenon of gays suddenly stepping forth to demand their right to establish stable family units while not themselves contributing to even greater overpopulation, can be seen to be not only natural but also, literally, a godsend.
~Source: Backyard Science (http://www.backyardnature.net/j/o/homosex.htm)

10. Lifestyle

Homosexual lifestyle has been called unhealthy by some people. Many of these claims, supported or not, are extremely marginal. Homosexual lifestyle is nowhere NEAR as unhealthy for you as smoking or drinking, or whatever. Some note the effects of excessive anal-sex. This doesn't matter. You can be homosexual, yet a virgin. I know. I've met some. Furthermore, homosexuals to not partake in any sexual act that a straight man and woman do not occasionally do. If you ban homosexuality for sexual practice, you may as well ban all forms of oral sex, anal-sex, and partner masturbation.

Otherwise, daily life is much like straight people's. Homosexuals sometimes get artificially inseminated, or adopt, helping orphans find homes. Their lack of reproduction can be a good thing. Homosexuals can lead loving, stable relationships.
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There is also a stereotype that homosexuals are predominantly pedophiles. This is a myth.
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~Source: Psychology.daviscu.edu - Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation (http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/HTML/facts_molestation.html)

11. Rights and Privacy

Given you live in a country that supports the idea of equality, the government and you as a person do not have any say in what happens to two consensual (willing) adults in a private bedroom.
I'm not sure about other countries, but in America, the standard is that "all men are created equal" and that everyone is entitled to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". Outlawing homosexual marriage is unconstitutional.

Marriage is not a purely religious thing, and has been practiced by pagan religions since before the start of Christianity or Judaism, and even then, allowed the marriage of homosexual men. It is not an exclusively Christian or Jewish practice, and as such, should not be left up to the mentioned religions to decide upon its legality.

12. Your Views

Your views are important. The majority may not have a say in who loves who, but they have a say in its actual activity. Homosexuality in America is still banned here because of the people who believe homosexuals "are bad".
Other countries actually KILL people who are homosexual. Kill. As in, take the life of. The one thing that all people are entitled at birth to have.

13. The Bottom Line?

People are people. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3Ezf5ROUTE)

Homosexuals are people as well. It's their choice to love who they choose. It's not like they choose an unwilling partner and the other side just deals with it. Don't be pricks to people you've never had the chance to experience time with.
Sahaqiel

[Russkie]

If your goal was to overwelm me with words, then congratulations. That certianly wasnt a comment pulled out of your ass, kudos.

Listen, I dont hate homosexuals, nor do I have anything against them (and I am totally against beating/murdering homosexuals for whatever reason). I just dont agree with what they do. My beliefs are that sexual intercourse is not only sacred, but should only be between a married man and woman. This is how I have been raised, and this is what I believe.

You made alot of that sound as if you were making it seem okay just because its been around for so long (even before Christ). Being around since the time dirt was patented still doesnt make it any more right, in my personal opinion.

My final statements are this; I've read everything you've posted, and I do have alot to think about. But I was still right about you leaving thinking you're right, and me leaving thinking I'm right.

Again, good job on your end of the argument.

[kanama k.]

if u r homo..u r disobeying god
is a sin

dude like people have done so much worse then loveing the person they want to so if you want to talk about sins then be my guest but im guessing you done a couople your self
all im saying is people have the right to love who they want who are they people who dont want gay to stop them ....nobody ...you all say leave the judgeing to god but here you are(those people)judgeing them for loveing the person they care about really what does it matter to you if they go and get married why does it bother you so much i mean come on i really just dont understand why you would care so much about someones other then you owns life
just let them be

[xXWENWENXx]

dude like people have done so much worse then loveing the person they want to so if you want to talk about sins then be my guest but im guessing you done a couople your self
all im saying is people have the right to love who they want who are they people who dont want gay to stop them ....nobody ...you all say leave the judgeing to god but here you are(those people)judgeing them for loveing the person they care about really what does it matter to you if they go and get married why does it bother you so much i mean come on i really just dont understand why you would care so much about someones other then you owns life
just let them be

wow..chill, it just a joke
im not against homosexual relations ships either

[Sahaqiel]

Well, I guess we both have something to blame for that.
I believe honestly and truly that love should be owned by the ones who have reason to.
Just like you believe honestly and truly that there is a God somewhere.

It was a doomed argument from the beginning. Our opinions are immobile.

I hope those of you who agree with Prop 8 read my argument, though. It's about two months old, posted back in another forum with differently wavering opinions, but I hope you take it into consideration as much as Russkie over there.

[carolyn07]

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no comment!,.♥