should videogames be considered a sport?

[animex09]

so we were having an argument in the chatbox about videogames being a sport. so we decided to make a thread to find out what ppl though and what was their opinion on this. the results of the poll should be an acurrate answer to the problem.

[saprintha]

i don't think so. if you stare too long at the tv, you might get hurt. or the screen or whatever you're playing on.

[quietchat]

Videogames are not a sport, because there is little physical activity required, other than the ability to stay awake for 3 days playing Quake 3 on nothing but Ballz

[sousuke]

i though it already was in japan.....

[Unknown]

No.
Maybe some time in the future where it requires a lot of physical activity...but as for now..no.

[soulten]

It takes to little effort and training to be good, so maybe if it involved more activity to say.

[Russkie]

Allow me to be as clear as I possibly can...

http://www.splitreason.com/Product_Images/e46a11f81330.jpg

[cindy]

NOOO !!! ... because u aren't very active like normal sports are ... and ur just sitting around in one spot moving ur thumbs around -____- ... and that's nothing ...

[Bizoid]

I probably wouldn't classify it as "sport", but more in the line of "competition" or "challenge" like poker. Unless you call poker a sport.

[Russkie]

I probably wouldn't classify it as "sport", but more in the line of "competition" or "challenge" like poker. Unless you call poker a sport.

Poker is not a sport.

Sure, its fun, and alot of people play it in tournaments, and you can lose a terd-load of money in one of those tournaments... But all in all, its a game. And games like that dont really have alot of physical motion.

[shadowmaks]

If it was a sport, I would have at least one golden medal by now.

[leerock89]

I would say it depends on what type of sport we are talking about, an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc, or a diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime. When someone says sport a lot of people think the former but playing video games can also be considered a sport due to the latter.

[Ariya]

Here is how I classify a sport: It has a ball, you score points, it has defense, and it requires physical ability.

Sure, video games fall under each of those, but there's hardly any physical activity. Sure, you could play Wii Sports, but that's different. No, video games are not a sport. Neither is poker. It's simply a game, as Russkie said.

[spirit]

I know that most of you may not agree with that.. or accept it as being real... but actually SOME of the videogames (I'm not saying ALL, guys!) are officially worldwide considered as e-sport. It might sound "ridiculous" to you, since most of the v-games don't require any physical movement... but there are plenty games, which are being played on huge esport league tournaments, like the most popular e-sport video game is Counter Strike... and many more. It's no joke. Thousands of people are gathering several times during a year in different parts of the world, to watch official (and professional) teams competing with each other. Those are professional e-sport gamers, champion league, and they are winning huge money on those events, likewise it's their life career and job.. same as being a soccer player. Those are not some anonymous kids, but worldwide known teams and players, who live on playing games. Their names figure as brand names for computer and electronic stuff. They are being employed by different companies and sponsors, obligated to practice playing games, being in great esport condition, taking active part in e-sport worldwide events and winning, and for all of this ... they are being payed.
Video games are no more only about having "fun," playing with your friends in the basement etc.
Video games are considered as esport (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_sports), a fast growing new sport industry. There is a huge difference between playing just for fun and being a professional player who gets paid. And those are facts.

[animex09]

I know that most of you may not agree with that.. or accept it as being real... but actually SOME of the videogames (I'm not saying ALL, guys!) are officially worldwide considered as e-sport. It might sound "ridiculous" to you, since most of the v-games don't require any physical movement... but there are plenty games, which are being played on huge esport league tournaments, like the most popular e-sport video game is Counter Strike... and many more. It's no joke. Thousands of people are gathering several times during a year in different parts of the world, to watch official (and professional) teams competing with each other. Those are professional e-sport gamers, champion league, and they are winning huge money on those events, likewise it's their life career and job.. same as being a soccer player. Those are not some anonymous kids, but worldwide known teams and players, who live on playing games. Their names figure as brand names for computer and electronic stuff. They are being employed by different companies and sponsors, obligated to practice playing games, being in great esport condition, taking active part in e-sport worldwide events and winning, and for all of this ... they are being payed.
Video games are no more only about having "fun," playing with your friends in the basement etc.
Video games are considered as esport (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_sports), a fast growing new sport industry. There is a huge difference between playing just for fun and being a professional player who gets paid. And those are facts.

so does this mean that even if there is no activity to ur body exept for thumbs, they are still considered sports because there is tournaments?

[spirit]

so does this mean that even if there is no activity to ur body exept for thumbs, they are still considered sports because there is tournaments?yeah. Not all of the sports are about physical movement, apparently. And it wasn't me who invented it, so don't make any "complaints"... (*smiles*) I am not the one who came up with this idea.. as well as I am not the creator of this new esport industry. Facts are facts, right? : P
There is a similar problem regarding chess game, even though it is officially considered as a sport - some people believe it's not. Similar with golf or urban golf, it doesn't really require a lot of body movements or exercises. Someone could argue that boxing is not a sport but an act of violence and aggression, haha. Or that dance is not a sport but just dance or "an artistic act" (theatrical act). Or that fishing is not a sport as well... ;) Likewise, some might said that aerobatics are not sport because people are not in a "physical movement" but the machines... and so on.
Yet, sport is not always about the body movement but, most of all, the idea of rivalry and competing with other players.

[analogZero]

Here is how I classify a sport: It has a ball, you score points, it has defense, and it requires physical ability.

Sure, video games fall under each of those, but there's hardly any physical activity. Sure, you could play Wii Sports, but that's different. No, video games are not a sport. Neither is poker. It's simply a game, as Russkie said.

wii baseball is a sport then!

seriously though, it's not. don't go thinking you're an athlete because you're really good at halo. soon you'll argue that watching tv is a sport because you have to walk to the kitchen every commercial break to get some snacks or cuz you have to roll over to soothe your bedsores. typing on your computer really fast is not a sport, card games are not a sport, eating is not a sport, and neither is going to the bathroom (even if it's a race to see who can finish first.....or go the longest). Just because there's competition and some degree of coordination is involved doesn't mean that what you're doing qualifies you as a superhuman athlete. people get sponsored for all kinds of stupid crap. Ken Jennings got sponsored by people after he did his billions shows in a row on jeopardy. jeopardy is not a sport! just because somebody uses you as a tool to make some extra revenue doesn't make you an athlete!

being a lump in a chair staring at a screen does not make you an athlete!

[animex09]

yeah. Not all of the sports are about physical movement, apparently. And it wasn't me who invented it, so don't make any "complaints"... (*smiles*) I am not the one who came up with this idea.. as well as I am not the creator of this new esport industry. Facts are facts, right? : P
There is a similar problem regarding chess game, even though it is officially considered as a sport - some people believe it's not. Similar with golf or urban golf, it doesn't really require a lot of body movements or exercises. Someone could argue that boxing is not a sport but an act of violence and aggression, haha. Or that dance is not a sport but just dance or "an artistic act" (theatrical act). Or that fishing is not a sport as well... ;) Likewise, some might said that aerobatics are not sport because people are not in a "physical movement" but the machines... and so on.
Yet, sport is not always about the body movement but, most of all, the idea of rivalry and competing with other players.


well then, if the man says that a sport doesnt need physical endurence then who am i to argue with that, right?

[Sadrith]

This one is a sport of skill along with poker and other things of that nature and golf is a sport and if you walk the full 18 it has been shown that you'll live 5 years longer.

[analogZero]

This one is a sport of skill along with poker and other things of that nature and golf is a sport and if you walk the full 18 it has been shown that you'll live 5 years longer.

you live 20 years longer if you get a straight flush.

[cupfuel]

there not, really. but that nintendo wii and dance dance revolution and guitar hero probably would have you thinking it might be. in some way.

[Orangeii]

nope not at all.

[analogZero]

http://www.artfulgamer.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/wow-jenkins.jpg
such raw majesty.

[cupfuel]

no? well those must be the only games that seem like exercise, y know?

[Narutorox]

i say no and i agree with Cindy
its not a sport and its bad its bad for your health bye just sitting their and not doing anything and just staring at the TV for a long time.

[Orangeii]

no? well those must be the only games that seem like exercise, y know?

its bad for your eyes also ur brain will get fried and sports are lik an everyday workout where you can lose weight outside of your house!

[Azure]

I'm a Big FPS/RPG/RTS Fan and personally I will never ever consider gaming a sport in my eyes the entire concept is just absurd - the limited universe of each game makes the possibilities of each situation finite - its just a matter of rehearsal and reimplimentation as situations arise.

[cupfuel]

i say no and i agree with Cindy
its not a sport and its bad its bad for your health bye just sitting their and not doing anything and just staring at the TV for a long time.

oh i know its bad, but why would they try to make it like something you can really use to get into shape in stuff? like dance dance revolution and certain games on nintendo wii? that's wat i was talkin about. yeah, it is bad for ur health, but that part was just somethin i wanted to know about

[cupfuel]

its bad for your eyes also ur brain will get fried and sports are lik an everyday workout where you can lose weight outside of your house!

yes it is, but i was just wonderin why they try to do things to certain games to actually make it seem like u can use as exercising? like the dance pad and some games on nintendo wii, that's all. other than that i totally agree with both of you. shoot, i dont have a dance pad or wii, but i hear alot of things on the outside world and all, y know?

[Orangeii]

yes it is, but i was just wonderin why they try to do things to certain games to actually make it seem like u can use as exercising? like the dance pad and some games on nintendo wii, that's all. other than that i totally agree with both of you. shoot, i dont have a dance pad or wii, but i hear alot of things on the outside world and all, y know?

well nintendo wii u can sweat from those kind of games (like wii sports)

[spirit]

well then, if the man says that a sport doesnt need physical endurence then who am i to argue with that, right?well then... tell me what's the definition of "sport".. hmm? ;)



Regradless, of what the majority of kids think here on AF; some video games are considered as sport or esport. You can even read about it on the internet, like wiki and other official esport sites ;)

[Koopaking]

Sport - 1. Any athletic activity that uses physical skills, often competitive. 2. Gaming for money as in racing, hunting, fishing. (many other definitions but they are irrelevant)

Technically... maybe because moving your fingers and coordinating them with buttons is a physical skill. In the traditional sense, no it's not a sport. But does it really matter? They air chess and spelling bees on ESPN.

[cupfuel]

*to orangji*
but u get what i'm tryin to say, though. right?

[Orangeii]

*to orangji*
but u get what i'm tryin to say, though. right?

i guess cupfuel

[spirit]

Sport - 1. Any athletic activity that uses physical skills, often competitive. 2. Gaming for money as in racing, hunting, fishing. (many other definitions but they are irrelevant)

Technically... maybe because moving your fingers and coordinating them with buttons is a physical skill. In the traditional sense, no it's not a sport. But does it really matter? They air chess and spelling bees on ESPN.You see! You just said it!!!!
haha, you mentioned "skills"... (`3`) I believe sports are about having a competition.
Don't get me wrong, it's not like I created those definitions and "rules"... I was surprised myself, when a couple of years ago I've heard someone talking about video games being considered as sport, vsport or esport... : P
Traditional sense. What is a tradition? It's something that continues to change through out the time. Similar to "culture," it is something that people are continually creating, together with the new inventions, needs, "fashion".. you name it.. all different factors. Especially, in a day of aggressively progressing information technologies and the internet, seems it's the only destination that the whole world is aiming at.

[cupfuel]

*to orangji, i keep gettin ninjad, lol*
lol
that's cool!
i know its bad cuz my sisters *all of them* are so GLUED to the ps2. its not mine but htye played the darn thing 24/7. the argue and call names and hit each other. and i'm just like 'ALL THS FOR A GAME!!!" its pathetic.

[monsoon 10]

As much as I love the videogames I'm going to have to give it a thumbs down when it comes to it being a sport. It's like chess really, it's just a competitive game.

[cupfuel]

lol
i never thought of it like that.

[monsoon 10]

lol
i never thought of it like that.

I'm sure you didn't.

[analogZero]

You see! You just said it!!!!
haha, you mentioned "skills"... (`3`) I believe sports are about having a competition.
Don't get me wrong, it's not like I created those definitions and "rules"... I was surprised myself, when a couple of years ago I've heard someone talking about video games being considered as sport, vsport or esport... : P
Traditional sense. What is a tradition? It's something that continues to change through out the time. Similar to "culture," it is something that people are continually creating, together with the new inventions, needs, "fashion".. you name it.. all different factors. Especially, in a day of aggressively progressing information technologies and the internet, seems it's the only destination that the whole world is aiming at.

actually, traditions are supposed to remain the same throughout time. and we're talking sport, not esport or vsport. just because they give it a new name doesn't qualify it. that's like calling margarine butter because it looks the same. sugar and aspertame are the same too, right?
quick competition: staring contest, you and me, right now. may the best staring sportsman win!!!

[Acess]

Video Games is a Sport they have a Pro League and everything some of the top gamers make millions a year...and they have World Wide shit to for gamers so how isnt it a sport...

[animex09]

Video Games is a Sport they have a Pro League and everything some of the top gamers make millions a year...and they have World Wide shit to for gamers so how isnt it a sport...

there is absolutely no strain to ur body in anyway...thats why its not a sport

[analogZero]

Video Games is a Sport they have a Pro League and everything some of the top gamers make millions a year...and they have World Wide shit to for gamers so how isnt it a sport...

again, sponsorship does not equal sport.

[Dolly]

Re stressing for a point, here:

1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.

By the first definition alone, gaming seems have numerous characteristics of a "Sport". Competitive nature is definitely true, as anyone would agree, and in many cases, a requirement of skill.

Its also been noted before that there are many different types of tournaments and leagues dedicated to gaming. While this, in definition, does not make it a "sport", it shows how far gaming has come as a notable consideration.

Do I think it's a "sport"?

Yes. Following another definition,

3. diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime.

There we are. Is that not what gaming is? A diversion? I know many people that would give that answer.

Also, stressing "skill" here again. Just because you don't sweat, doesn't mean that the activity isn't a sport, as many seem to believe. While this is completely situational, gaming can take a lot of practice to stand a chance against veterans of it, just like any sport.

In this respect, while the lack of physical involvement leaves it open to discussion, I think it's completely logical to consider gaming a sport.

[Unknown]

It's not.

/thread

[ronave182]

video games is a sport??
>>completely FALSE

THINK AGAIN

[spirit]

again, sponsorship does not equal sport.But despite the fact how irrational and ridiculous it may sound... some video games are considered as esport. You may read about it on Wiki and other sites :/
It doesn't matter what is your or public opinion about it.

[strike7785]

Hell no, Video games should not be considered as a sport. Don't get me wrong though I love playing games. Ill be the first to jump in front of the tv. A sport is to test ones strenth body and mind. All you do in Video games is sit on your A$$ and push buttongs on a wired controller.

[Haru Glory]

i thinck video games is not soppoust to be a sport

[Kenshy]

i thinck video games is not soppoust to be a sport
Spoken like a true high school drop-out. http://kotaku.com/5037975/parents-let-kid-drop-out-of-high-school-to-focus-on-guitar-hero

[analogZero]

But despite the fact how irrational and ridiculous it may sound... some video games are considered as esport. You may read about it on Wiki and other sites :/
It doesn't matter what is your or public opinion about it.

esport.....sport......
did you not read my post about butter?

[Inulove17]

That's like that age old question if cheerleading should be classified as a sport... I think it depends on the system and the physical labor of it as well.. like most of the wii games could be considered a sport.. but then the computer, ds, and other lager systems played on the tv or whatever would not be. It all depends.

[analogZero]

me typing in this forum is also a sport....where's my gatorade?

[salmeria]

yeah its a sport and i think even thinking about it is a sport..lol

[Maydraie]

Does the Nintendo Wii count as physical motion? I saw in a magazine that they now of Yoga for Nintendo Wii.

[Bass Test]

Meh, it be funny

[saprintha]

Does the Nintendo Wii count as physical motion? I saw in a magazine that they now of Yoga for Nintendo Wii.

ehhh...i guess so, but in my opinion, gaming is still not a sport. but here's a definition of sport.

an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature

[Kenshy]

ehhh...i guess so, but in my opinion, gaming is still not a sport. but here's a definition of sport.

an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature

Maybe back in olden days, now it's steriods.

[MelBrooks]

wii sports is a sport

[Kenshy]

wii sports is a sportDoes that mean Unreal Tournament is a sport because it says "tournament" in the title?

[metalshell]

yes video gaming is a sport...
everyone sees normal sports like basketball, a physical sport. i see gaming as a mental sport

[saprintha]

yes video gaming is a sport...
everyone sees normal sports like basketball, a physical sport. i see gaming as a mental sport

okay now that you put it that way, i can see where this is getting at.

[cupfuel]

I'm sure you didn't.

ha! no i didn't, lol

[AIDA]

if pool of all this is a sport then yes. or GOLF. golf isnt a sport. its the same concept just with a little more motivation.

[analogZero]

if pool of all this is a sport then yes. or GOLF. golf isnt a sport. its the same concept just with a little more motivation.

I think you mean the same thing but with fun little carts to drive around in.

[Sun Tzu]

video games are as much of a sport as nascar is.... so sadly enough yes...

[spirit]

video games are as much of a sport as nascar is.... so sadly enough yes...I think you are the first person beside me who said it. haha
Regardless of how "ridiculously" it sounds :)

[Axe Man]

Gaming is a sport there is acctuly a curcit called the WGL or WLG or somthin and I'm not making it up I saw it on TSN lol.

[Kelo-chan]

well video games work your mind XD

[Silverleon]

yes video gaming is a sport...
everyone sees normal sports like basketball, a physical sport. i see gaming as a mental sport

True to that, some games really help eye-hand coordination. Some people say that some of the best surgeons are gamers because it helps them be more accurate, so if not a physical sport Video games surely are a mental sport.

[Gstar16]

Yea poker is on fricken espn n crap

why isn video gaming thats more intense

Video gaming is a sport in my house!!!!

[Bee_Chan]

I could see something like DDR to be considered a sport XD
Haha, that would be the day.

[Break001]

Well Wii is getting to be a physical gameing console now so yea i think its getting there

[Axe Man]

PSSSSSSS wii trying to get me to do phisical activity while I play games. who do they think they are? lol jk A very good game for hand eye is metal gear online play u only got like on major chance to take you opponent out usally so u gotta be quick and accurate.

[Bee_Chan]

Lol with DDR it's all about eye and feet coordination.
Omnomnom. If it was a choice in gym class, I would pick nothing else and then pwn everyone XD
Muahahah!

[bluedragon]

i think is a sport becuse it exercise ur mind and compete with people

[Axe Man]

i think is a sport becuse it exercise ur mind and compete with people

Exactly plus I've been playing for 3 years I know that's it and I still haven't run into a game I haven't been able to beat. on my first or 2nd time round

[Bee_Chan]

XD Heehee. Hurray for videogamez!

[carolyn07]

...i think its not!,.though its a very good past times formost of us!,.

but,.

sports enhances our abilities but video games dont,.

your eyes might hurt in staying long in games but in sports,.you can get hurt too!,.hahaha♥

[XxbadxX]

yes....playing videogames is execising your finger actually.......Ha!Ha!

[analogZero]

Video games, while they may exercise the mind, do not exercise the body. A sport should exercise both the mind and body at the same time. If you're exercising only the body then you are simply working out. If you're simply exercising the mind you're doing a puzzle, and that's all video games are. A series of inputs, strategies and deductions to calculate a necessary and plausible outcome for a long winded equation.
But I suppose with eating competitions and online video gaming we're bound to be in peak physical and mental condition. I just can't get my head around why there's so many out of shape, fat people around when video games sales are up and food is being consumed in overwhelming proportions. must be we're not trying hard enough. Perhaps we're all able to be professional football stars because we can win the superbowl in Madden 2Kwhatever. Perhaps we're top notch super soldiers because we can shoot someone 15 times in the head playing halo. Perhaps someone's scouting me for a big record deal because I can beat guitar hero on the hard setting.

ps. not meant to sound angry. But seriously, pull your trousers up, you look like a fool.

ps2. the guy you shot in halo's still alive...shoot him another 27 times. I think he's got a few 1ups left.

[HyperFox]

Unless it's something on the Wii or DDR, not really.

Unless you go real crazy with Guitar Hero like some people I know. (Jumping on the tables, doing jumping spins, jumping off the walls.) :o.o:

[analogZero]

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/photopost/data/615/lb3.JPG
put down you're purses, butterballs. We're gonna step it up a notch. IT'S GO TIME!

[FoX66]

That further encourages Americans to get fatter....

[mszjay14]

That further encourages Americans to get fatter....

of course it's not considered a sport...
because sports are when ppl get active in whatever u do.... videogames r not bein active!

[atomsk]

a sport should require skill. gamers have skill. and it's not like they have no lives. alot of those guys are active. watch pro gaming lueges and tell me if you see a fat guy. most of them are fit

[Break001]

a sport should require skill. gamers have skill. and it's not like they have no lives. alot of those guys are active. watch pro gaming lueges and tell me if you see a fat guy. most of them are fit

They really do maintain there body's pretty well.

[analogZero]

a sport should require skill. gamers have skill. and it's not like they have no lives. alot of those guys are active. watch pro gaming lueges and tell me if you see a fat guy. most of them are fit

ya, they made a cartoon on them
http://www.esreality.com/files/placeimages/2007/55793-1008_four_boys_wow_at_school.jpg

peak of fitness.
I'm trying to say that if you get into the mentality that gaming is a sport then what next. I tried to plead the case that I could eat pizza all the time when I was younger because it contains all the food groups....that was not bright either. luckily I grew up a little and realized that when I throw my arms to the side to make mario jump farther, it doesn't do much to make me physical fit. Those pro gamers aren't fit because they move their fingers around, nor are they fit because they stare at a screen without blinking. It's because they likely know that if they play video games all day they'll turn into blobs with bed sores.

[a2ng0d]

Gaming isn't a sport. It's a pasttime, a hobby. Mental stimulation? Plenty. Physical Benefits? None. To those of you who say "gamer's maintain a good physique"; FAIL. They maintain that physique by doing other activities such as real sports, or they have a naturally active metabolism. I love games, but calling it a sport...omfg whoever the **** said "Sports require skill, and gamers have skills, so games are sports" YOU FAIL. Chess also requires skill. So does poker. Are these games considered sports? Nooo, because they're GAMES.

Exceptions may be DDR and Wii Fit. These are designed to burn calories; and include theyre own workout options. Everything else is just a game.

[the_ginger]

yes becous it test the wit and reaction time of the players

[analogZero]

yes becous it test the wit and reaction time of the players

so does jeopardy...

[lemonek]

Playing video games is the same as if you are watching the whole anime series in one day, that has happened to me specially when im off from work and i have nothing of more importance to do :)

[xURanu5x]

i don't think so. if you stare too long at the tv, you might get hurt. or the screen or whatever you're playing on.
if ur hitting to hard on the football field...u will get a concussion O_o from the helmet...or wat ever ur playin with
The fact is... ur minds mucle memory is being put to use during video games ther for its a sport. doesnt matter if it seems less active or more active than baseball, table tennis, etc.

[analogZero]

puzzle: a toy, problem, or other contrivance designed to amuse by presenting difficulties to be solved by ingenuity or patient effort.

video game: any of various games played using a microcomputer with a keyboard and often joysticks to manipulate changes or respond to the action or questions on the screen.

gamer: a person who plays games.



sport: an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature.

athlete: a person trained or gifted in exercises or contests involving physical agility, stamina, or strength; a participant in a sport, exercise, or game requiring physical skill.



If in doubt, check definitions.

[justblazze]

well i don't think so because well yeah u are right i is like a sport http://www.animefuel.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=831&pictureid=8541

[LoKiWorlD]

Even though games posess some of the elements found in sports like skill, accuracy, reaction time, etc. it doesn't really classify as a sport. Some people might think so because of all the challenges you have to overcome in a game and believe it's hard work, but in truth its very easy because all the player has to do is control a digital character till the end of the game. Now if there was anyone that ever believed video games should be considered to be a sport then it would be the video game characters themselves seeing as how they have all the strength, agility, and stamina.

Should videogames be considered a sport? In all honesty, NO...because sports and video games live in seperate worlds one in the real world and the other lives in the virtual world. It's ok to call sports a game since the real world created the virtual one. Yes I have to admitt you learn some things as you play that you must know in order to continue...but that's fictional knowledge (or on the rare occassion bennificial if it's academic)which makes it just plain entertainment with mostly useless information. In sports the knowledge you gain is healthy for your body and improves a persons performance...while video games only require you to sit down, move around the joy stick, and press buttons.

Now i'm not putting down video games in fact i enjoy spending a great deal of time playing them. I'm just not going to fight for it to be pushed up to the same status as a sport.

[zato]

Yes it should be, cause it uses stamina and other stuff I can't think of now

[Neoliger]

Video games are a sport cause you can break a sweat playing games just as easy as running, take dance dance for instance. It's a great game that gets you up and moving, plus the colors keep my attentions lol.

[suigintou]

Haha, no, gaming isn't a sport. I don't care if you break a sweat, sprain your thumbs, or collapse from exhaustion...it's still not enough physical activity to be a "sport."

[Dolly]

sport: an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature.




If in doubt, check definitions.

Thanks for giving only one of the definitons of sport. What a coincidence that it correlates with your view.


And Suig, last time I checked, sports didn't have a "You must have this much exertion to be classified" label.

[suigintou]

Thanks for giving only one of the definitons of sport. What a coincidence that it correlates with your view.


And Suig, last time I checked, sports didn't have a "You must have this much exertion to be classified" label.

Any one definition is largely dependent on one's personal view, so you can't exactly argue with me.

The dictionary definition is effectively vague enough to consider any competitive activity a sport, but it provides no guidelines, leaving it up to the public to do so.

In essence, this whole debate is going nowhere.

[Dolly]

Any one definition is largely dependent on one's personal view, so you can't exactly argue with me.

The dictionary definition is effectively vague enough to consider any competitive activity a sport, but it provides no guidelines, leaving it up to the public to do so.

In essence, this whole debate is going nowhere.


Thus, by the same coin, you can't argue with me either, as you said--it's all in the eye of the beholder.

But I was relating to you saying that gaming doesn't require enough physical exertion to be considered a sport. I get more tired from gaming than a few rounds of pingball.

But as far as your reference to the dictionary definition and perception, I agree with you entirely.

[jyuukai]

I say yes. If fishing is a sport then so is gaming...

[jokester92]

As sick:pissed: as that would be, no!!!

[analogZero]

Thanks for giving only one of the definitons of sport. What a coincidence that it correlates with your view.


And Suig, last time I checked, sports didn't have a "You must have this much exertion to be classified" label.

All definitions recorded on dictionary.com. all but 3 are applicable and none make mention of any form of video game or gaming in general.


1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
QUOTE USED


2. a particular form of this, esp. in the out of doors.
SUPPORTING DEFINITION (unless you play VGs outside) notice the abbreviated 'especially'


3. diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime.
The only thing you have going for you and it's that vague, loose, indefinite definition that suig mentioned. by this definition pictionary and farting in the bath can be sports.

4. jest; fun; mirth; pleasantry: What he said in sport was taken seriously.
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5. mockery; ridicule; derision: They made sport of him.
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6. an object of derision; laughingstock.
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7. something treated lightly or tossed about like a plaything.
Doesn't include penises or joysticks.


8. something or someone subject to the whims or vicissitudes of fate, circumstances, etc.
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9. a sportsman.
EXTENSION


10. Informal. a person who behaves in a sportsmanlike, fair, or admirable manner; an accommodating person: He was a sport and took his defeat well.
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11. Informal. a person who is interested in sports as an occasion for gambling; gambler.
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12. Informal. a flashy person; one who wears showy clothes, affects smart manners, pursues pleasurable pastimes, or the like; a bon vivant.
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13. Biology. an organism or part that shows an unusual or singular deviation from the normal or parent type; mutation.
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14. Obsolete. amorous dalliance.
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[Dolly]

[QUOTE=analogZero;116627]All definitions recorded on dictionary.com. all but 3 are applicable and none make mention of any form of video game or gaming in general.




3. diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime.
The only thing you have going for you and it's that vague, loose, indefinite definition that suig mentioned. by this definition pictionary and farting in the bath can be sports.





I wouldn't call it vague, just general. But really, you're flawed from using dictionary.com in the first place. How about you use a "real" dictionary?


Main Entry:
1sport Listen to the pronunciation of 1sport
Pronunciation:
\ˈspȯrt\
Function:
verb
Etymology:
Middle English, to divert, disport, short for disporten
Date:
15th century

intransitive verb1 a: to amuse oneself : frolic <lambs sporting in the meadow>

b: to engage in a sport

2 a: to mock or ridicule something

b: to speak or act in jest : trifle

3 [2sport] : to deviate or vary abruptly from type (as by bud variation) :

mutatetransitive verb1: to display or wear usually ostentatiously : boast <sporting expensive new shoes>2

[2sport] : to put forth as a sport or bud variation

[aezgaga]

Well the Nintendo wii use to make the player move... or Dance Dance revolution use physical ability and it can be competitive so.... DDR it's a video game so can we call DDR a sport ?

[conigwolf]

they certainly are. what makes them different other than actual movement.

[Zaraki]

it already is a sport MLG on ESPN. yeah it is a sport it takes skill to use a sniper rifle, BR, and other weapons in action games. takes skill in sport video games as well.

[suigintou]

I wouldn't call it vague, just general. But really, you're flawed from using dictionary.com in the first place. How about you use a "real" dictionary?

I hate to burst your bubble, but anyone who uses a real dictionary knows that dictionary.com isn't much different at all. It's quite accurate in pretty much every case, including this one.

Also, "general," in this case, doesn't make a whole lot of sense, thus the correct term being "vague." Now maybe if you went with "generalized," and tried to enlighten us on just what's being generalized here, then it'd make sense.

If you're going to act like you actually know something about the English language and assert the power of one dictionary over another, then maybe you should learn your word usage a bit better.

And shame on you, really, for basically ignoring what he pointed out in that lengthy post of his. What it really comes down to is that video games do not fit into the "specified" definitions, and only manage to slide into a few "vague" ones. That's a pretty lame excuse to call them a sport, don't you think? By the same coin, smashing cans over my head, setting my alarm clock, or killing as many people as I can within a 10-mile radius could be sports.

[aa32wa]

well if cricket is considered a sport lol?

video games can be compared to say car racing... both are in the seated position and requires mental concentration... video games are probably less physical but it can still be quite physically demanding...

[Dolly]

I hate to burst your bubble, but anyone who uses a real dictionary knows that dictionary.com isn't much different at all. It's quite accurate in pretty much every case, including this one.

Also, "general," in this case, doesn't make a whole lot of sense, thus the correct term being "vague." Now maybe if you went with "generalized," and tried to enlighten us on just what's being generalized here, then it'd make sense.

If you're going to act like you actually know something about the English language and assert the power of one dictionary over another, then maybe you should learn your word usage a bit better.

And shame on you, really, for basically ignoring what he pointed out in that lengthy post of his. What it really comes down to is that video games do not fit into the "specified" definitions, and only manage to slide into a few "vague" ones. That's a pretty lame excuse to call them a sport, don't you think? By the same coin, smashing cans over my head, setting my alarm clock, or killing as many people as I can within a 10-mile radius could be sports.


Are you really dallying on me not including a "ized" in a statement that had obvious meaning? (That's rhetorical, considering you noticed the error and the corresponding correction in the first place). Please, just because I'm human, doesn't make me inept of the English language. Try to be more mature.

And yes, a real dictionary is different than dictionary.com. Not seeing the difference is your own folly. Seriously, try to make it through an etymology class with dictionary.com, the teacher might spit on you. (I know this, I happen to be in that class this year.)
And the "vague" definitions here are applying to those from dictionary.com, a site that anyone searching for educational purposes shouldn't refer to.
Furthermore, I didn't ignore anything--perhaps you should be the one who needs to be more attentive. As much as you may like to compare gaming to "setting an alarm clock" and "smashing cans on your head," they quite frankly hold no bearing. Gaming is a world different, but I'm sure you know that.

It's something that has been widely accepted throughout countries, and many tournaments--tournaments that are even televised etc.-- are held often. As much as you may not consider it a "sport" by hugging to a dated definition from an unprofessional dictionary, times are changing, and gaming is evolving.

[analogZero]

I hate to burst your bubble, but anyone who uses a real dictionary knows that dictionary.com isn't much different at all. It's quite accurate in pretty much every case, including this one.

Also, "general," in this case, doesn't make a whole lot of sense, thus the correct term being "vague." Now maybe if you went with "generalized," and tried to enlighten us on just what's being generalized here, then it'd make sense.

If you're going to act like you actually know something about the English language and assert the power of one dictionary over another, then maybe you should learn your word usage a bit better.

And shame on you, really, for basically ignoring what he pointed out in that lengthy post of his. What it really comes down to is that video games do not fit into the "specified" definitions, and only manage to slide into a few "vague" ones. That's a pretty lame excuse to call them a sport, don't you think? By the same coin, smashing cans over my head, setting my alarm clock, or killing as many people as I can within a 10-mile radius could be sports.


I think russkie considers that a sport, and I think he's the only one I'd give that too.



And dolly, I used dictionary.com because it is rather extensive and quite detailed for it's ease of use and accessibility. In fact it contained more definitions of 'sport' than your apparent super dictionary did, though the majority of definitions in both don't apply to this debate. Arguing the ultimate dictionary is best saved for another thread, I think, as almost everyone will have some minor preference, though a single dictionary should never be your only source.
I'd prefer, in the case of the definition we're seeking, that something more defined and focused present itself, and if we're walking though a fog of generalizations, then sport is everything that falls under the category of a verb. I simply refuse to accept that something with cheat codes could be considered sporting.
Acceptance on an international stage isn't grounds for it's definition, as baristas, scrabble players, spelling bee's, rock paper scissors, air guitar, robotics, and pretty dogs are all competitions held in high regard, but aren't credited with the 'sport' label. It appears more as an appeal to popular culture that video games are getting such recognition.

[Dolly]

I think russkie considers that a sport, and I think he's the only one I'd give that too.



And dolly, I used dictionary.com because it is rather extensive and quite detailed for it's ease of use and accessibility. In fact it contained more definitions of 'sport' than your apparent super dictionary did, though the majority of definitions in both don't apply to this debate. Arguing the ultimate dictionary is best saved for another thread, I think, as almost everyone will have some minor preference, though a single dictionary should never be your only source.
I'd prefer, in the case of the definition we're seeking, that something more defined and focused present itself, and if we're walking though a fog of generalizations, then sport is everything that falls under the category of a verb. I simply refuse to accept that something with cheat codes could be considered sporting.
Acceptance on an international stage isn't grounds for it's definition, as baristas, scrabble players, spelling bee's, rock paper scissors, air guitar, robotics, and pretty dogs are all competitions held in high regard, but aren't credited with the 'sport' label. It appears more as an appeal to popular culture that video games are getting such recognition.

I'll note briefly on the dictionary label. While dictionary.com may have more definitions, they were more or less the same thing worded with slight alterations. And it's simply fact that Merian Webster is used for professional uses. Am I discrediting Dictionary.com as a whole? Of course not, I often refer to it when I simply need to find a word. But when we look extensively into something, you need to rely on something more professional. But I agree with you when you say we shouldn't stray from the topic, so let's just say we differ in opinion upon dictionaries.

Actually, let's forget dictionaries entirely right now and just focus on gaming and it's relevance to being a sport. You're right in saying some things such as spelling-bees, dogs, and robotics are all held in high regard in competition. (Rock paper scissors and air guitar though, Really analog?)

Regardless, let's throw these together and analyze. Robotics and dog shows both require a lot of preparation involved. You don't just "do what you do" and it's done because of how well you performed at the moment, but by how you prepared for it before. Also, neither of these--training exempted--involve any "real" test of your body, (And I don't just mean physical prowess, this includes reaction and coordination).

You're also right when you say that gaming is being promoted to a "sport" simply because of popular culture. But let's look at baseball, football, and soccer. Did all of these not become sports because they were popular?

Gaming is looking more and more like a traditional "sport" every day, if you ask me. You have teams, members that rely upon each other's own skills and teamwork. (Ex: World of Warcraft arena tournaments, Warcraft 3 skirmishes, halo, and a slew of other FPS and RTS games). Do you not rely on your team in any other sport to be successful? Of course you do.

And because of--much mentioned--popular culture, gaming is growing as a product. Look at the Wii and other popular FPS/RTS games. New approaches are sprung forth and the line between a novice and a professional becomes more and more visible.

And cheat codes? You can pick up the ball in soccer and throw it at the goal, but I think you know you aren't winning the game here. It's obvious you can't cheat in a tournament. In fact, cheat codes aren't even really a product of cheating. They're little bits that the developers left purposefully inside the game for the gamer's amusement. Little bits that help them develop.

With all this said, do I think that sitting alone in your couch playing Mario 64 is a sport? No, I don't. A sport is a product of competition, and said competition is almost always around. (Look at any of the new video game titles. Anything "without" even a glimmer of multiplayer/online features tends to get trampled in the dust, thus those games aren't made).

Gaming is becoming just as much a sport as any other official one. Also, I apologize for my long posts.

[analogZero]

You better believe it, rock paper scissors competitions and air guitar are actually big competitions in a lot of places.
in fact, air guitar's way more popular than you'd think. You should check it out. There's even a documentary on the competitive world of air guitar called 'air guitar nation'. It requires all the training, creativity, strategy, and far more physical demand and coordination than most if any video game, yet it fails to make the ridiculous demands of good ol' popular culture when it comes to sport.

But if you're going to limit the realm of sport to sheer competition, then you'd have to eliminate the concept of recreational diversion. If that kid on the couch playing mario kart isn't exercising his/her playing prowess, then everyone here in favour of video gaming as a sport, but doesn't play professionally, are hypocritical and wrong.
A sport should be recreational, and a sport should be competitive, and it should exercise the mind and body. Video games just don't cut it in a physical aspect in comparison to a real live sport. I don't doubt that they demand a disciplined mind and ability to coordinate and react (which are moreso results of the brain than the body, actually) but when you break it down to that, then you're playing with a flashy rubix cube.

and type as you please. I'd prefer to read what's on your mind rather than a summary, so go nuts.

[Tidus9107]

definitly not. people should play actual sports and play outside

[Dolly]

You better believe it, rock paper scissors competitions and air guitar are actually big competitions in a lot of places.
in fact, air guitar's way more popular than you'd think. You should check it out. There's even a documentary on the competitive world of air guitar called 'air guitar nation'. It requires all the training, creativity, strategy, and far more physical demand and coordination than most if any video game, yet it fails to make the ridiculous demands of good ol' popular culture when it comes to sport.

But if you're going to limit the realm of sport to sheer competition, then you'd have to eliminate the concept of recreational diversion. If that kid on the couch playing mario kart isn't exercising his/her playing prowess, then everyone here in favour of video gaming as a sport, but doesn't play professionally, are hypocritical and wrong.
A sport should be recreational, and a sport should be competitive, and it should exercise the mind and body. Video games just don't cut it in a physical aspect in comparison to a real live sport. I don't doubt that they demand a disciplined mind and ability to coordinate and react (which are moreso results of the brain than the body, actually) but when you break it down to that, then you're playing with a flashy rubix cube.

and type as you please. I'd prefer to read what's on your mind rather than a summary, so go nuts.

As for your first note, I didn't know that. And I think we can assume a lot of people don't know that, as compared to gaming. But saying that such a thing requires more coordination and physical demand than gaming is simply ridiculous. Look, the thing is, a person gets more worn out from a match of DDR than playing ping-pong.

You just said that a sport should be competitive, but still sometimes not competitive? I'm not quite understanding what you mean here, Analog.

And a flashy rubix cube? Come on, teamwork and competitive achievement have little to do with a rubix cube. A rubix cube is predictable, it contains many patterns to achieve the same final outcome, and the only competition it holds is when you're racing it with someone else. But obviously, that isn't interesting to see. Thus, as "popular culture" says, it's not a sport.

Also, I'm not playing out simple diversion. A person can play and have no intention of "winning". But regardless, whatever you do is counted in one form or another. (AKA: High scores, gamertags on Xbox, etc.) You can do the same thing in any other sport. You can play soccer for fun, but you may have no intention of winning or being competitive. Hell, you just like to see it roll.

[analogZero]

actually air guitar contestants have been known to come out bruised, and even bloody after a performance. Their routine is often as demanding as repetitively playing out your favorite DDR maneuvers. If you don't want to recognize the effort in it without seeing it, then go right ahead. But I wouldn't believe you for a second that DDR requires more precision, coordination and physical demand then actually dancing, and even then you're looking more at an artform then a sport.

The wii system is likely the only thing that could possibly support physical demand, yet it pales in comparison to any other true sport. Team based or individual. Adding elements reminiscent of a sport such as teams only distracts from what it really is. I reminds me of that animaniacs cartoon with the chicken that would dress up and pretend to be human. take the players away from the sport or the game and it will remain the same, with the exception that no one is playing.

The part regarding competition and no competition is in regards to this
With all this said, do I think that sitting alone in your couch playing Mario 64 is a sport? No, I don't. A sport is a product of competition

you broke down sport to simple competition and eliminated the previously defined term:


Etymology:
Middle English, to divert, disport, short for disporten
Date:
15th century

intransitive verb1 a: to amuse oneself : frolic <lambs sporting in the meadow>

eliminating recreation or diversion as a means of sport, which was in effect the only argument available to video games as a sport.

And the rubix cube fully applies. it's a system of algorithms, a crunchable set of numbers, just as most computers are. Only flashier, you see. The unpredictability of a video game is balanced by the formula set out by the player and it's execution. The unpredictability of a sport is such that even the natural elements can work against you on a bad day. We're fixed to a finite environment with all video games, and an infinite environment in real life. where does the advantage lie? is the world of video games really that much more challenging then the real world?
Puzzles hold all the same merits as a recreational video game match too, you know. People play for fun, people play them to show off, or to challenge those around them. Humbled or competitive, puzzles and mind games offer all the prospects of a sport, minus the physical demand. Unless you count working your fingers to move the pen around in your crossword, or the dexterity required to work that rubix cube. it's all in the hands I suppose.

[Dolly]

actually air guitar contestants have been known to come out bruised, and even bloody after a performance. Their routine is often as demanding as repetitively playing out your favorite DDR maneuvers. If you don't want to recognize the effort in it without seeing it, then go right ahead. But I wouldn't believe you for a second that DDR requires more precision, coordination and physical demand then actually dancing, and even then you're looking more at an artform then a sport.

The wii system is likely the only thing that could possibly support physical demand, yet it pales in comparison to any other true sport. Team based or individual. Adding elements reminiscent of a sport such as teams only distracts from what it really is. I reminds me of that animaniacs cartoon with the chicken that would dress up and pretend to be human. take the players away from the sport or the game and it will remain the same, with the exception that no one is playing.

The part regarding competition and no competition is in regards to this


you broke down sport to simple competition and eliminated the previously defined term:



eliminating recreation or diversion as a means of sport, which was in effect the only argument available to video games as a sport.

And the rubix cube fully applies. it's a system of algorithms, a crunchable set of numbers, just as most computers are. Only flashier, you see. The unpredictability of a video game is balanced by the formula set out by the player and it's execution. The unpredictability of a sport is such that even the natural elements can work against you on a bad day. We're fixed to a finite environment with all video games, and an infinite environment in real life. where does the advantage lie? is the world of video games really that much more challenging then the real world?
Puzzles hold all the same merits as a recreational video game match too, you know. People play for fun, people play them to show off, or to challenge those around them. Humbled or competitive, puzzles and mind games offer all the prospects of a sport, minus the physical demand. Unless you count working your fingers to move the pen around in your crossword, or the dexterity required to work that rubix cube. it's all in the hands I suppose.

I'll admit, you have me on air guitar. I'm at a disadvantage here because I've honestly never heard of it being done in competition, so I'll show my ignorance here.

Popular culture, that's whats elevated gaming to being a "sport", whether it's to be true or not remains to be truly seen. But again, you need to consider there are official sports out there that don't strain you physically and mentally as much as traditional gaming.

And like I said about gaming alone, that's just the way things work in today's world. I said in my previous post that although you may be playing alone, you're likely going to be in competition through your gamertag etc. Now, when I said something like "mario 64", I should have elaborated a little more. Do I think playing oldschool things on old platforms with no possible online connection is an example of real sport? No, not really. Yes, the definition states that it's simple diversion. But a sport "is" competition. All playing alone is would simply be training otherwise, just like any other sport.

You bring up an interesting point with the "natural conditions" within the world that can even bring the team with the advantage to a disadvantage. This is very true, but it also applies to gaming in another sense. The latest WoW tournament between two very popular teams in the finals happened only a few months ago. Apparently, these two teams fought on a previous date, but one of them lost because a player on the team's macros weren't functioning correctly. Yet in the second match at this later date, the team that lost won. I wouldn't say the system is so controlled, there's a lot of possibilities that are mostly technical that can go on. I guess that's a problem with mods.

I wish I could continue further in this post, but I actually have to head out. I look forward to your responses.

[ylaixVK]

Absolutely not. To me, I believe that sport is something that involves physical movement and energy. When playing videos .. in my opinion, only about .56% of energy is used .. well, depends on what game you play, and how you play it .

Hm, actually, at this point .. I forgot what I would say. But I still don't think it could be, even though there are "game competitions". I just feel that a sport should be played with something electronic.

[kyroge22]

i think that videogames are not sports, but i do think that having tournaments where you make money off of them ic completly fine, take Magic: the gathering (a trading card game) there are national and international competitions every year, but it still is not considered a sport.
just some food for thought there...

[leoern]

hell no

Im a huge gamer and thats what i spend almost all of my time doing but im no athlete video games are about as much of a sport as ping pong sports are meant to be challenges against the body to see if your better than your competitor. theres the competitor in videogames sometimes but never any endurance except for the cramps in your hands and the burn of your eyes.

[cutieB]

Only if its a game where yu move around to play like the wii. other than that nope.:dancing:

[krazykandy]

sport- an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
no its not a sport....and since i am here the chess, poker, and eating associations are trying to make themselves official sports.......HELL NO!!! what is wrong with people these days, can't even get out the house and walk a couple blocks "uuuhhh im gonna use my car" we are all fat....just wantd to say it

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[beijz]

haha, i think wii makes it a sport.
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