Nuclear weapons. Good? Or bad?

[tennis]

Do you believe nuclear weaponry helps us, or hurts us? I personally think that the creation of nuclear weaponry was the most unintelligant thing ever done. The world has so many nuclear bombs and such, that the entire world could be blown to bits if they leaked into the wrong hands. Just think, what if terrorists got their hands onto them? What could happen? Post your opinion on the subject. This isn't really a debate, more of a discussion.

[quietchat]

If you believed Bush in 2001 then you'd know the terrorists already have the weapons, and capability for weapons. Plus, we have Pakistan wanting them now.

[Rincewind]

Do you believe nuclear weaponry helps us, or hurts us? I personally think that the creation of nuclear weaponry was the most unintelligant thing ever done. The world has so many nuclear bombs and such, that the entire world could be blown to bits if they leaked into the wrong hands. Just think, what if terrorists got their hands onto them? What could happen? Post your opinion on the subject. This isn't really a debate, more of a discussion.


You are so right, nothing good can come out of nuclear weapons but death and destruction.....

[Russkie]

Do you believe nuclear weaponry helps us, or hurts us? I personally think that the creation of nuclear weaponry was the most unintelligant thing ever done. The world has so many nuclear bombs and such, that the entire world could be blown to bits if they leaked into the wrong hands. Just think, what if terrorists got their hands onto them? What could happen? Post your opinion on the subject. This isn't really a debate, more of a discussion.

Not so. Sure, a nuclear explosion is very large, but they are not large enough (even when combining them with many other war-heads) to destroy the world. Think of it this way, the power of our atom bombs are so small, you would need to set off 1000 of them to compare them to the power of a hurricane or volcano. This is a FACT btw, just watch the discovery channel.

Thankfuly, we dont have mall security guards protecting our nuclear arsenal or I myself would be concerned.

[Koopaking]

They can be more of a bargaining chip or a tool of intimidation than anything.

"Don't mess with me, I have nukes!"
"He can't have nukes, only we can have nukes! Let's go take his nukes! Let's get all our buddies who also have nukes to go take that guy's nukes!"

Maybe the countries with the real sense are the ones who don't have them at all. Japan is one of the most powerful countries in the world, and they have never had a nuclear program, due to the fact that they are the only people in the whole world who actually know what it is like to be on the receiving end of one of these suckers.

[Klard]

The creation of nukes was a bad idea. Fear that the Nazis were developing some sort of super weapon propelled the Manhattan Project forward. Personally, I don't think nukes have done one single good thing for us. Yeah, big deal, we can harness the power of the sun. But we can't handle that kind of power. Nuclear Power is no better either. I live within 10 miles of a nuke plant and not one watt of power from that facility lights my house. Not one watt. Plus if there was an incident at the plant I'm pretty much hosed. My dad used to work there and he says they cut corners in security all the time just to save a buck.

So yeah, I think nuclear anything is a plague on mankind.

[leerock89]

First, nukes are the best thing man created. It's something that can guarantee our total demise. Second, without them all the nuclear powers couldn't scare the rest of the world, and fear is one great tool we can use on each other. And finally it always nice to have a weapon of mass destruction in your backyard. NO ONE will mess with you.

[Klard]

First, nukes are the best thing man created. It's something that can guarantee our total demise. Second, without them all the nuclear powers couldn't scare the rest of the world, and fear is one great tool we can use on each other. And finally it always nice to have a weapon of mass destruction in your backyard. NO ONE will mess with you.

Really?! I don't suppose you live by a nuclear power plant do you? I had tritium leak into my drinking water three years ago. At least that's when we found out about it. It turns out that they had been doing it for years, hoping that the EPA wouldn't go snooping around.
I've seen the lack of security at those places with my own eyes. My father can tell stories about that place that would curl even the greasiest man's hair. He worked there. I live 10 miles away the poison hive they call Braidwood Nuclear Generating Station. Owned by Exelon as it were. If anything went down there, I'd be the first to know. But I'd probably die.

[Russkie]

First, nukes are the best thing man created. It's something that can guarantee our total demise. Second, without them all the nuclear powers couldn't scare the rest of the world, and fear is one great tool we can use on each other. And finally it always nice to have a weapon of mass destruction in your backyard. NO ONE will mess with you.

Let me quickly correct Lee, and say CHEESE was the best thing man ever created.

Anyways, what Lee said was correct. No one will mess with you as long as you carry a bigger (and sharper) stick.

[leerock89]

Let me quickly correct Lee, and say CHEESE was the best thing man ever created.

Anyways, what Lee said was correct. No one will mess with you as long as you carry a bigger (and sharper) stick.

I stand corrected!!! GOGO CHEESE POWER!!!

[monsoon 10]

First, nukes are the best thing man created. It's something that can guarantee our total demise. Second, without them all the nuclear powers couldn't scare the rest of the world, and fear is one great tool we can use on each other. And finally it always nice to have a weapon of mass destruction in your backyard. NO ONE will mess with you.

Wrong, hydrogen bombs are.

[sleeper101]

Nukes can be good or bad it depends on who uses them and what they use them on and why.

[Russkie]

Wrong, hydrogen bombs are.

Nukes, hydrogen bombs, atom bombs, is there a difference? (seriously?)

[monsoon 10]

Nukes, hydrogen bombs, atom bombs, is there a difference? (seriously?)

Atom bombs are fission bombs, while hydrogen bombs are thermonuclear bombs.

[tennis]

When I said nuclear weapons, I meant all of that genre.(thermonuclear bombs and atom bombs included)

[monsoon 10]

When I said nuclear weapons, I meant all of that genre.(thermonuclear bombs and atom bombs included)

I was addressing Russkie's question not the original post. Comprende?

[leerock89]

Enough bickering children. Who really gives a crap if the nuke is thermo or fisson. It's still a weapon of mass destruction. And of you all want to keep on trying to prove your intelligence make it actually sound better then a little chicken fight.

[tennis]

Enough bickering children. Who really gives a crap if the nuke is thermo or fisson. It's still a weapon of mass destruction. And of you all want to keep on trying to prove your intelligence make it actually sound better then a little chicken fight.

If that was directed at me, I only posted reguarding that once.

[leerock89]

Nope it wasn't.

[monsoon 10]

Nope it wasn't.

If that was directed at me and Russkie I was just stating fact, not bickering.

[leerock89]

Yes it was and your almost passing that line. Back on topic this >>>

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd78/lampworker/Nuclearexplosion.jpg

is good for humanities soul. We should use it in every war.

[Russkie]

Nope it wasn't.

And I was just asking a question...

[RavynMK]

The creation of the nuke though intelligent... was stupid.. they should only be used if you plan on making the world inhospitable to everyone.. including the people using them.... which would invalidate the reason for using them... if your aim is world destruction and not conquering then go for it...

[Koopaking]

Nuclear weapons are incredibly important for any country. It is the ultimate form of penis compensation.

[monsoon 10]

Nuclear weapons are incredibly important for any country. It is the ultimate form of penis compensation.

Just you wait till the neutron bomb gets here.

[Rincewind]

Nuclear weapons are incredibly important for any country. It is the ultimate form of penis compensation.

Just you wait till the neutron bomb gets here.


Oh yeah! bang , or plasma/laser weapons^^

[monsoon 10]

Oh yeah! bang , or plasma/laser weapons^^

You can't see a laser when it goes off, the whole point of the dong compensation bombs are the blast.

[partyprobe]

Bad for enviroment but good for america to prove a point.

[gunbound15]

Not so. Sure, a nuclear explosion is very large, but they are not large enough (even when combining them with many other war-heads) to destroy the world. Think of it this way, the power of our atom bombs are so small, you would need to set off 1000 of them to compare them to the power of a hurricane or volcano. This is a FACT btw, just watch the discovery channel.

Thankfuly, we dont have mall security guards protecting our nuclear arsenal or I myself would be concerned.

that's is correct but so misinformed. it would only take 24 nuclear warheads of the 250+kiloton range going off within 24 hours to set the world into a nuclear winter...THAT is a proven fact. the hiroshima bomb was one of the smallest ever used it was like 15-70 kilotons. what's more, a thermonuclear bomb or H-bomb in the 1 megaton range exploded at a fairly high altitude can wipe out half to the continental UNITED STATES. THAT is also a proven FACT.
you don't think 2,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 lbs of TNT going off in 24 hours can destroy the world?
BOTTOM LINE, NUCLEAR WEAPONS ARE BAD, AND RELATIVELY LOW TECH (from an engineering point of view). but unfortunately as long as we have nuclear technology, nuclear weapons will continue to threaten mankind.
we can't get rid of nuclear weapons but we can make sure they can't destroy mankind.

[C0nspiracy]

When are you going to start seeing the bigger picture? We shouldn't be afraid of them, we should be afraid of the government diluting our drinking water with nano machines. When they do that, they'll see our every movement, even control us. Rebel against the government!!!!!!

[monsoon 10]

When are you going to start seeing the bigger picture? We shouldn't be afraid of them, we should be afraid of the government diluting our drinking water with nano machines. When they do that, they'll see our every movement, even control us. Rebel against the government!!!!!!

You're getting off topic.

[leerock89]

When are you going to start seeing the bigger picture? We shouldn't be afraid of them, we should be afraid of the government diluting our drinking water with nano machines. When they do that, they'll see our every movement, even control us. Rebel against the government!!!!!!

Funny I'm all for anarchism and what not, but that would require mature adults who can take care of themselves and I'm afraid that just isn't possible.

[Koopaking]

that's is correct but so misinformed. it would only take 24 nuclear warheads of the 250+kiloton range going off within 24 hours to set the world into a nuclear winter...THAT is a proven fact. the hiroshima bomb was one of the smallest ever used it was like 15-70 kilotons. what's more, a thermonuclear bomb or H-bomb in the 1 megaton range exploded at a fairly high altitude can wipe out half to the continental UNITED STATES. THAT is also a proven FACT.
you don't think 2,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 lbs of TNT going off in 24 hours can destroy the world?
BOTTOM LINE, NUCLEAR WEAPONS ARE BAD, AND RELATIVELY LOW TECH (from an engineering point of view). but unfortunately as long as we have nuclear technology, nuclear weapons will continue to threaten mankind.
we can't get rid of nuclear weapons but we can make sure they can't destroy mankind.

What do you mean "one of the smallest ever used"? There were only two ever used!

[gunbound15]

What do you mean "one of the smallest ever used"? There were only two ever used!

yeah but they also tested some underground and above ground remember?
one of the smallest ever used is an accurate phrase. it was small but it still killed over 100,000 people. square that death toll and you have the death toll of a modern nuclear bomb. that's why it's one of the smallest (kiloton wise) ever used. the nagasaki bomb was even stronger than the hiroshima bomb.

[Klard]

Okay then! Everyone is just starting to bicker back and forth now without caring if they're on topic or not. I will reiterate what I said before: Nukes suck.

[Koopaking]

yeah but they also tested some underground and above ground remember?
one of the smallest ever used is an accurate phrase. it was small but it still killed over 100,000 people. square that death toll and you have the death toll of a modern nuclear bomb. that's why it's one of the smallest (kiloton wise) ever used. the nagasaki bomb was even stronger than the hiroshima bomb.

Tested. Only two atomic bombs have ever been used for their purpose of being a weapon.

[salmeria]

I think its 100% bad..why kill other ppl??

[phi-life]

nuclear weapons are bad for the environment but good for scaring ppl unless they have a bigger bomb.

[athrun0017]

wow what an interesting thread.. i do believe the creation of nuclear weapons was indeed a terrible idea and also, the wrong people already have their hands on the nukes so we never really know whats in store for us.. yeah koopa also has a point on how it is a realitivly small blast, however the extreme radiation would swivel the world to a crisp! i guess the only real good thing that came out of nuclear fuzion was its unlimited source as energy, however it to will come to an end, nothing is infinate!

[Russkie]

I think its 100% bad..why kill other ppl??

Why do other people kill us?

[milo]

We are all idiots and we should not have these type of weapons with the stupid people running all the nations

[monsoon 10]

I find it extremely sad that you people are superstitious about nuclear fission and fusion as an energy source and as a weapon.

As an energy source, nuclear fusion/fission ends up creating more energy per gram than say, oil. On top of that, it creates far less fumes (i.e. water vapor) which contain far less pollutants than your average hydrocarbon.

As a weapon...oh boy. The dominant tone of fear-mongering in this thread disappointed me. The thing about nuclear weapons, boys and girls, is that it is used as a deterrent, not to be actually used. These deterrents have allowed and kept the world from entering into an immense bloodbath, based on the principles of M.A.D. (Mutually Assured Destruction).

[Maydraie]

What's wrong with a nuclear warhead? They're not big enough that's what's wrong!

[analogZero]

"Since 1940, the United States has spent $5.8 trillion on nuclear weapons programs, more than on any single program except Social Security, according to a study billed as the first comprehensive audit of the country's effort to build a nuclear arsenal."

that's what's wrong with nuclear weapons.

[leerock89]

Eh who cares. We have them, some do as well, and for the rest? Bow down to our demands or fear our wrath.

[partyprobe]

I agree with lee. If americans get fustrated our first thought is to bomb the problem.

[analogZero]

gotta bomb something. otherwise the bombs go to waste.
throwing out spoiled produce is one thing, but warheads past their prime is another. it's like when your cell phone's almost a year old, so you have to buy a new one so your friends don't shun you for having the old model. China would laugh at you so bad it'd harsh your power buzz.

[suune]

Nuclearweapons are just another mistake of humans. The only thing that can come out is fear, agression and destruction.

[Russkie]

Nuclearweapons are just another mistake of humans. The only thing that can come out is fear, agression and destruction.

You make that sound like a bad thing.

[monsoon 10]

Nuclearweapons are just another mistake of humans. The only thing that can come out is fear, agression and destruction.

Wow, because we all know that isn't a prominent part of human history and psychology./ sarcasm

[Sun Tzu]

Nuclear power is simply another tool that we as a species have decided to invest time in to lift us beyond the stone age. Does it have the potential to destroy us? You better believe it does, but not only has it provided power and comfort to our lives, it has offered untold scientific advances. To close off an entire branch of scientific advancement simply because of "might" happen is fear wrapped in ignorance.

We as a species must never close ourselves off from any branch of knowledge, regardless of its implications and effects. So much good can come from Nuclear power if we simply have the courage to investigate it further. Sure the weaponization of this wonderful tool is tragic, but it is merely an unintended side effect of the progression of our species.

And while im at it, will someone please fund stem cell research? So much good can come from it, and I wouldn't mind having a second Shakie's Pizza

[Xeohelios]

Personally I think anything modern day that can go "BOOM!" is just a bad idea, wars should be fought like in the medieval days imo, but that's not gonna happen :P

Technology is going to kill us, and this was just a step towards that end result

[Azure]

Personally I think anything modern day that can go "BOOM!" is just a bad idea, wars should be fought like in the medieval days imo, but that's not gonna happen :P

Technology is going to kill us, and this was just a step towards that end result

The Problem is the fact that nuclear power as a weapon was discovered in the first place , of course as a source of energy for powering our daily lives its a great help , of course theres the fact that if anyone makes a mistake in a nuclear plant then shit hits the fan , with the introduction of nuclear warfare the problem is everyone's going to suspect the other guy has nukes till the end of eternity, in the end the same can be said for any number of discovered technologies sadly - that is " if we throw ours away the other guys gonna butt own me while i'm not looking " . Its hard to decide if something so amazingly awesome for making our power problems vanish is a detriment or not....personally i'd go anti Nukes considering the millions that could die due to fallout from a nuclear war......

The manhattan project ftw eh ?

[Sun Tzu]

The Problem is the fact that nuclear power as a weapon was discovered in the first place , of course as a source of energy for powering our daily lives its a great help , of course theres the fact that if anyone makes a mistake in a nuclear plant then shit hits the fan , with the introduction of nuclear warfare the problem is everyone's going to suspect the other guy has nukes till the end of eternity, in the end the same can be said for any number of discovered technologies sadly - that is " if we throw ours away the other guys gonna butt own me while i'm not looking " . Its hard to decide if something so amazingly awesome for making our power problems vanish is a detriment or not....personally i'd go anti Nukes considering the millions that could die due to fallout from a nuclear war......

The manhattan project ftw eh ?

You should also realize that no object is inherantly bad, its use is entirely up to the person behind the controls. The same ICBM technology that we use to deliver a nuclear pay load to China or Iran, is also the exact same technology used when we launch a spaceship into orbit.

A plane carries food, people, and vital equipment to the four corners of the world, but it also the exact same technology that we use to carpet bomb the forests of Viatnam, Berlin.

Gunpowder might be used to riddle a soldier or family with bullets, but it is also a vital component in your fireworks, or many mining operations.

So is Nuclear technology inherently bad? Absolutely not. It is how the person with the technology deems to use its. The act of launching a Nuclear weapon into a populated city is an unforgivable and undeniably evil act. But when the same technology that murdered millions of people is then used to bring power to hospitals or turn on a computer in a class room, then it is difficult to judge.

[puppetz]

now this is my kinda thread. all of my friends say that im gonna be the only one to know when a nuke blows. every single noise i hear i immediately think its a nuke. honestly when i hear a bang or see a flash i accept death. its become a daily thing for me.

[Bishop]

also the fear effect of having nukes prevents people from using their nukes... wonder how many war nukes have prevented?

[partyprobe]

They are bad but if i get mad take cover

[monsoon 10]

They are bad but if i get mad take cover

Did anybody but me bother reading what Sun Tzu wrote?

[Oblivious]

It is quite obvious to me that Nukes are horrible. Why is there such a great need to have a greater power to destroy our own race? Can't people just think about peace? =.=

[partyprobe]

We will never have peace. There will always be people that want more than they have so they will try using these weapons to get there way.

[leerock89]

Im still all for using them all at once to wipe us out... that would be nice wouldn't it?

[InnocentW]

i think nuclear weaponry was just a stupid idea, i think they will only cause our world to go to hell, death, and destruction

[monsoon 10]

It is quite obvious to me that Nukes are horrible. Why is there such a great need to have a greater power to destroy our own race? Can't people just think about peace? =.=

No, if you can't handle the tribal warfare for supremacy get out of the species.

[Waste]

Of course they should have never been created in the first place but the fact that there are so many actually stops countries from setting theirs off. If one is set off countries will counter the attack.
End of ze world has a point.
:P

[Bishop]

also now with counter missile technology starting to come together, like all weapons they will become obsolete when a better tool comes out.

[Sun Tzu]

No, if you can't handle the tribal warfare for supremacy get out of the species.

Here Here.

[a2ng0d]

well this is interesting and has definitely caught my attention.

let me tell you something about the world. the united states of america is the strongest and most powerful country on earth. we constantly make new weapons and technology, and give our shit weapons and technology to everyone else. We control the space around the orbit. those are OUR satellites, and through the GPS system, it is possible to see every part of the world down to the smallest detail. it has the capability of zooming in on a parked car, switching to thermal vision to see that 2 heat sources (people) are in the vehicle. if one of the heat sources goes cold, they know right away, he's dead. and they can quite possibly catch your ass. now, with this in mind.

if a terrorist, or china, or north korea, or whoever the hell else has the balls to LAUNCH a nuclear warhead aimed at the united states? GPS tracking will pick it up, and in minutes one of our own nukes will come and intercept that nuke BEFORE it leaves that countries airspace. as a result, that country will have to deal with not one but TWO nukes exploding on itself. merry christmas, asshole.

having said that, i believe that using nuclear weapons on mankind is wrong. any weapon made by man to be used on man is wrong. stupid, really. however by saying that a nuclear weapons program is wrong? i cant completely agree with that. we have to be prepared for anything, and yes this may seem farfetched to the majority of you, but life outside of earth is definitely possible. im talking aliens.

"I Love Lucy" Premiered on television for the first time in 1950. As you know, radio waves transmit outward from the source (and yes, television uses radio waves). this means that those waves have been traveling out into space for the past 58-59 years. that is a 58- 59 light year radius 360 degrees around from earth that those radio waves are able to be picked up. which means that if someone was out there, hehe, they're pretty aware of the neighbors.

our weapons technology powers all other technologies, from medical to consumer products. telling us to limit weapons technology, or calling it stupid and heartless is somewhat ignorant. every medical accomplishment in the history of man has been powered by war. whether it's antibiotics, blood transfusion, and even prosthetics and performance enhancers. if all the environmentalists would put step aside and think in the perspective of humans as a whole trying to do what we do best: survive in any environment; hopefully they would realize that our habitat; the world of existence that we were born into, stretches vast beyond the forests, grasslands, and urban areas. so we gotta open our eyes, and look alive because God knows if the weapons and tools we have now are even good enough for the game out there.

well....thats about all i have to say. thank you for your time.