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puppetz
07-20-2008, 08:19 AM
me and my friend were having a heated discussion today. he said that making marijuana illegal is unconstitutional. he says that some people need it to survive because of terminal illness. he based his facts off of internet sites. he said that it kills cancer cells, causes neurogenesis (reproduction of nerve cells), causes brain cells to come back and be more active, and does all kinds of fancy superpower like things. now im not anti-marijuana. but i know that internet sites that were written by "doctors" are not too credible. and i asked him "where in the constitution does it say that making marijuana illegal is against the rules" and he seriously got angry. he started yelling and becoming defensive saying that my argument was ignorant and that i was stupid and he was just yelling and yelling. so the real question here - Is making marijuana illegal unconstitutional?

sousuke
07-20-2008, 11:50 AM
i cant answer if its illegal in that way, but marijuana helps certain diseases but idk about killin cancer cells an all i kno my friends smoke it but not 4 medical reasons

Koopaking
07-20-2008, 06:45 PM
If making marijuana illegal is unconstitutional, then the Supreme Court has been letting it slip for years. I don't think it's unconstitutional, where on the Bill of Rights is the Amendment saying one is free to keep their drugs? Some people may use it for medicine, like people with glaucoma, but that's because it was prescribed to them. Why is it people only do it with this drug? You don't see people getting busted with Cocaine and LSD exclaiming "I WAS TAKING IT FOR MY BAD EYESIGHT!!!" as they get dragged away by the cops.

Drugs are bad m'kay, but if you would pay money to ruin your own health and possibly go to jail, that's totally your choice.

Klard
07-20-2008, 07:49 PM
No, it's not unconstitutional, I personally think we should legalize drugs just so we can get tax revenue from it. That would be a big slap in the face to all the gangs, drug cartels, and drug lords of the world if just one country did that. Plus, even if it is legal a certain segment of the population still won't use drugs.
Legal and moral do not mean the same thing.

Maydraie
07-20-2008, 10:48 PM
I think if someone wants to smoke it let them. I can get money from it to conquer the world!!!!

Russkie
07-20-2008, 10:53 PM
Being serious for a second (which is something a rarely do fyi), I dont like drugs, but I am okay with it for people who NEED them for a spacific illness they have.

If your friend there is just trying to make excuses for himself, its not working.

Maydraie
07-20-2008, 10:54 PM
I agree with Russkie!

analogZero
07-20-2008, 10:58 PM
your friend sounds like a pothead, haha.
I smoked enough pot for one lifetime in the course of 5 years and yes it does have benefits but it also has side effects. Number one side effect, memory disruption. That's proven by doctors too. My grades in school did go up after I quit as well and a few years later I made it out of depression (no more depression by quitting a depressant? who'd'a thunk?) It did however help my back pain (which I've had since I was about 13), and I had some serious fun, but to focus on benefits as your friend does is in and of itself ignorant. I can barely tolerate when people only see black and white, but when they only see one then they're brainwashed. Marijuana doesn't go into you and start hacking away at cancerous cells. It might reinforce white blood cells, but it's not the fn cure for cancer.
The point of it being unconstitutional is that while it may be a plant, it's still an intoxicant and therefore must be regulated. Governments just don't like it when they have no control over something. Here in good ol' canada, our alcohol is regulated by the government. which means I can't go down to the corner store and buy booze any time I please. I have to go to a beer/liquor store operating on government hours. It pays for our health care as it turns out!
Many narcotics have little bonuses attached to them, but being ignorant of the consequences is typically the reason people are hooked on drugs in the first place.

lydiiae
07-23-2008, 02:52 AM
My own mother uses Marijuana to stop her pain.
She has a lot of things going wrong with her body,
none in which you guys would want to hear about.

But I find marijuana does really help the pain I get from my knee problems,
I've had it since I was 9 and when I smoke I hardly feel the pain.
I'm too busy tripping out on my own thoughts.
I also find it does help my creativity and I do find that my short term memory does suffer slightly.
But I don't smoke it everyday.

jamjfly
07-23-2008, 03:48 AM
Cancer does not kill cancer cells, the only reason they use marijuana in hospitals is because the person is going to die so they give them marijuana to numb the pain. No making marijuana illegal is not unconstitutional.

analogZero
07-23-2008, 04:14 AM
yes, other quick note. smoke in any form can cause respiratory illnesses. so please, eat your pot in the form of brownies or cookies!!!

ps. not followed by an 'un' prefix is a double negative and rather confusing. I'd go into details as to why I feel slow with this, but to keep it short I smoked a lot of weed when I was younger.

ps#2. don't do drugs!

animex09
07-23-2008, 04:18 AM
if marijuana can cure deseases, then i say go for it. thats my opinion

Rincewind
07-23-2008, 01:10 PM
I know it can cure deseases ,but in my country its illigal....

strike7785
07-23-2008, 01:25 PM
Yes marijana may have its benifits but people abuse its helpfullness and restoration and use it for self use and money on the streets. Like Koopa said, "the supreme court has been letting the argument of marijana slip for years." In my oppinion, yea it should be illegal and only be used for licensed medical reasons.

illuma
07-23-2008, 02:28 PM
Theres nothing really wrong about marijuana i mean i smoke it pretty often, and i am getting all A's in my classes, and i am a very well behaved child. As Katt Williams said," The side effects are hungry, happy, sleepy." Now if it is unconstitutional or not, no one can say because its not written and know one could have known the thoughts of your dead forefathers. I personally think they should legalize it i mean its not as bad as cigarettes, it won't give you lung cancer or anything like that. You can't become physically addicted, well i haven't and have been smoking that stuff since i was 10.

animechic
07-23-2008, 05:57 PM
maybe it should illegal even in hospitals it causes haluosinat (sorry if its mispelled ):ramen: and dude since you where 10 !!!!! icant even snuff a pixee stix with out my mom freaking out

strike7785
07-23-2008, 07:01 PM
Theres nothing really wrong about marijuana i mean i smoke it pretty often, and i am getting all A's in my classes, and i am a very well behaved child. As Katt Williams said," The side effects are hungry, happy, sleepy." Now if it is unconstitutional or not, no one can say because its not written and know one could have known the thoughts of your dead forefathers. I personally think they should legalize it i mean its not as bad as cigarettes, it won't give you lung cancer or anything like that. You can't become physically addicted, well i haven't and have been smoking that stuff since i was 10.

People like me will be putting dumb p[eople like you in Jail::D:

puppetz
07-23-2008, 11:09 PM
i used to smoke out like every single day but my mom found a bowl and decided to drug test me. and let me tell you it wasnt a fun experience. ive done every drug under the sun and in my opinion its just better to be sober and clean. people look down on you when your on drugs. even though it may be wrong to judge someone like that people do it without even realizing it. its whatever in my book. i have never once told someone that they cant smoke. but i like being sober. besides another wake up call is when i found my brother dead in his room because of an overdose of xanax. on mothers day of last year. and that wasnt fun. xanax is the only drug i tell people to stay away from because it is highly dangerous.

illuma
07-23-2008, 11:15 PM
I'm not telling you to do coke, or meth. I'm just saying that there is nothing wrong with pot. I'm not saying you should do it either, I'm just telling you that i have done it and i am doing fairly well for myself. There is nothing wrong if you don't like people doing it, thats just fine. All I can say is that there are some medical benefits to doing it. As for me I do it just for the trip.

puppetz
07-23-2008, 11:21 PM
johnny smoked crack and had a heart attack. jimmy smoked pot and hungry was all he got.

illuma
07-23-2008, 11:25 PM
johnny smoked crack and had a heart attack. jimmy smoked pot and hungry was all he got.

See you understand. I'm not saying do it. i'm just saying that there is nothing wrong, well nothing big anyway. You never see someone OD on pot; now every other legal/illegal drug can.

puppetz
07-23-2008, 11:30 PM
i knew that u werent trying to press your opinion, i understand completely because i used to be a stoner i will defend weed until my last breath

illuma
07-23-2008, 11:33 PM
i knew that u werent trying to press your opinion, i understand completely because i used to be a stoner i will defend weed until my last breath

Well i don't think of myself as a stoner, but its nice to have someone on my side.

monsoon 10
07-23-2008, 11:35 PM
I know it can cure deseases ,but in my country its illigal....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY

It's used as a medical painkiller.

illuma
07-23-2008, 11:37 PM
Dr.Cox is the greatest

leerock89
07-24-2008, 12:06 AM
Ok I didnt read all the posts but I did research this and its history extensively and here is what I believe.

First off the history. Marijuana can actually be traced all the way back to sometime around 800 A.D.+/- in the middle east in the form of hashish. The group using it was considered hardcore mercenary killers and were dubbed hashassin which, years upon years later can be translates to assassins. There are more traces of it dating back farther then that, but I don't want to go into all the details. We can zoom forwards to around 1500 to 1600 when the native Indians in the Americas were cultivating it and using it is peace ceremonies. When the Europeans came on over, raping killing and taking everything over, they found this miraculous herb and fell in love with it. Heck George Washington was an avid grower and smoker, along with the majority of U.S forefathers. Now between 1700 to late 1800 it died down a bit until the major emigration of Mexicans from the south who reintroduced it back into the country. Now what banned it in the early 1900 was racial discrimination. The old whities in Congress noticed the huge amount of Mexicans coming across the border and they didn't like that fact that so many of them were coming in, "contaminating our precious soil." What one senator noticed was that they all smoked marijuana so he went about on a crusade to ban the weed. The only problem was they had never banned a plant before so after a few testing bills, one of them a stupid gun bill and another stupid leather bill they finally had a premise of banning a plant and the first one they banned was marijuana.

After a few decades and a few stoner congressmen they lifted the ban. I mean who doesn't like smoking a j once in a while right? So all was good until the 60's-70's . What happened was everyone was beginning to notice the advantage of hemp(marijuana). You could make anything and everything with hemp. When the big cotton, corn and farming industry noticed that hemp was going to replace everything they payed all their senators and representatives to ban the drug again. Nixon went one step further and put it on the Section I list, the list with the worse of the drugs, forcing hemp and essentially marijuana to be banned for good. Now the good old U.S is spending billions of dollars stopping weed instead of spending that on the homeless, hungry and sick. Another sign that money rules the world. It really is a sad sight. If you see the some of the countries who accepted hemp and marijuana with open arms, they are using hemp, which is cheap easy to grow, on everything helping out their economic growth. They are finding out they can use hemp as fuel as well, like the corn industry in the US is doing. So all that propaganda against weed, in my point of view, is a waste of my tax dollars. I would rather that money go to AIDS research or cancer research or go to the poor to feed and cloth them, but hey I don't have as much pull as the big farming industry. LETS ALL WASTE THAT MONEY OF STOPPING SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE ACCEPTED.

puppetz
07-24-2008, 12:09 AM
everyone ive ever met has told me different story of marijuana. the important thing is is that its not as bad as cigs or alcohol. and is no way even comparable to some of the other drugs

Klard
07-24-2008, 01:13 AM
Ok I didnt read all the posts but I did research this and its history extensively and here is what I believe.

First off the history. Marijuana can actually be traced all the way back to sometime around 800 A.D.+/- in the middle east in the form of hashish. The group using it was considered hardcore mercenary killers and were dubbed hashassin which, years upon years later can be translates to assassins. There are more traces of it dating back farther then that, but I don't want to go into all the details. We can zoom forwards to around 1500 to 1600 when the native Indians in the Americas were cultivating it and using it is peace ceremonies. When the Europeans came on over, raping killing and taking everything over, they found this miraculous herb and fell in love with it. Heck George Washington was an avid grower and smoker, along with the majority of U.S forefathers. Now between 1700 to late 1800 it died down a bit until the major emigration of Mexicans from the south who reintroduced it back into the country. Now what banned it in the early 1900 was racial discrimination. The old whities in Congress noticed the huge amount of Mexicans coming across the border and they didn't like that fact that so many of them were coming in, "contaminating our precious soil." What one senator noticed was that they all smoked marijuana so he went about on a crusade to ban the weed. The only problem was they had never banned a plant before so after a few testing bills, one of them a stupid gun bill and another stupid leather bill they finally had a premise of banning a plant and the first one they banned was marijuana.

After a few decades and a few stoner congressmen they lifted the ban. I mean who doesn't like smoking a j once in a while right? So all was good until the 60's-70's . What happened was everyone was beginning to notice the advantage of hemp(marijuana). You could make anything and everything with hemp. When the big cotton, corn and farming industry noticed that hemp was going to replace everything they payed all their senators and representatives to ban the drug again. Nixon went one step further and put it on the Section I list, the list with the worse of the drugs, forcing hemp and essentially marijuana to be banned for good. Now the good old U.S is spending billions of dollars stopping weed instead of spending that on the homeless, hungry and sick. Another sign that money rules the world. It really is a sad sight. If you see the some of the countries who accepted hemp and marijuana with open arms, they are using hemp, which is cheap easy to grow, on everything helping out their economic growth. They are finding out they can use hemp as fuel as well, like the corn industry in the US is doing. So all that propaganda against weed, in my point of view, is a waste of my tax dollars. I would rather that money go to AIDS research or cancer research or go to the poor to feed and cloth them, but hey I don't have as much pull as the big farming industry. LETS ALL WASTE THAT MONEY OF STOPPING SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE ACCEPTED.

I agree lee. In fact I think we should tax weed in the U.S. We could spend all that money that the DEA is receiving on improving the life of your average citizen. Plus if you tax illegal drugs you cut into the profits of all the drug dealers, gangs, and drug cartels in the world. I guarantee if the U.S. did that we wouldn't have such a huge problem with drugs. Yeah sure some people would OD and die, but that was their choice. Plus a certain segment of the population will stay away from the drugs anyway. Legal and moral do not mean the same thing. Just because you make something legal doesn't mean it's a good idea to do it.

It's not the drugs that bother me, it's how big a hypocrite our government is with dealing with them. We arrest people for doing drugs, but at the same time we offer rehab! What the f***! You can't have it both ways! You either crack down on drugs and cart everyone off to jail or you legalize drugs and put my tax money to better use. That's how I see it.

puppetz
07-24-2008, 01:14 AM
good point klard

nejih94
07-24-2008, 01:31 AM
i don care wat any1 says,i think its wonderful,and i luv it,so back off,i can smoke away my life if i want to

leerock89
07-24-2008, 01:34 AM
i don care wat any1 says,i think its wonderful,and i luv it,so back off,i can smoke away my life if i want to

Daym dude, arent you like 13 14?? Oh well!! More power to you!!!!

Klard
07-24-2008, 01:39 AM
Smoking weed is a personal choice. I won't sit and judge others. I've done plenty of stuff people would frown upon myself. Not drugs of course, but legally ambiguous stuff.

partyprobe
07-24-2008, 06:37 AM
The government should sell it cheaper then drug dealers to cut crime and make money.

phi-life
07-24-2008, 01:51 PM
there is no other way of putting this but i do smoke marijuana for medicinal reasons (partly) i do like it but i have been told by professionals that marijuana is only used to help fight the cause of asthma (what i have) for u who dont know what asthma is its a disease that infects the muscle around ur wind pipe and causes it to tighten restricting the flow of air to the persons lungs, now marijuana helps to counteract the disease but relaxing that muscle allowing for the air flow to become regular again. marijuana has meny other effects on the body but none of them are that it helps stem cells to regrow neather can it kill cancer cells and nor can it rejuvenate brain cells if any thing marijuana kills brain cells not meny but still kills them off, it can have and long term effect on judgment and in some rare cases extreme paranoia. there is nothing if not very little to what that guy said was true.