Q: Mind

[spirit]

Another awkward question ;) I love asking you guys those "difficult" questions.
In your own opinion.... what is mind?
What do you think it is....?
I'll give you a hint to start your minds off with some thoughts..... ;)) hehe
Do you believe mind is a physical part of human body.... or is it something non-physical?
What do you think creates a mind? Where can we find it? Or can we find it at all?

[jamjfly]

Wow, you must really have a lot of free time to come up with these questions. But in my opinion, the mind is a physical part of the body in a sense that it is really there, but it does no physical work. It works psychologically. And I think a mind is created by God and you can't find him whilst you still live on earth. Once you die you will find him though.

[analogZero]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/mind

[spirit]

Wow, you must really have a lot of free time to come up with these questions. But in my opinion, the mind is a physical part of the body in a sense that it is really there, but it does no physical work. It works psychologically. And I think a mind is created by God and you can't find him whilst you still live on earth. Once you die you will find him though.
Haha, no... it doesn't mean I have a lot of free time... jeez.
It means something completely different ;)
Lots of free time have those who never need to use their minds ;)
It takes more to think of something "deeper" rather than play "mindless" games like posting pictures of "hot anime girls" (which btw, I enjoy once in a while).
Regarding your response, it depends .... if someone believes in the existence of God..... what if god do not exist... than what?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/mind

lol... analog... you missed something I wrote in a huge font! I said IN YOUR OWN WORDS.
I don't want you to give me links... to Wiki.. and other dictionaries...
I already know it. pffff....

[kai14]

in my opinion in think a mind is one's way of thinking

[jamjfly]

Haha, no... it doesn't mean I have a lot of free time... jeez.
It means something completely different ;)
Lots of free time have those who never need to use their minds ;)
It takes more to think of something "deeper" rather than play "mindless" games like posting pictures of "hot anime girls" (which btw, I enjoy once in a while).
Regarding your response, it depends .... if someone believes in the existence of God..... what if god do not exist... than what?

If God did not exist then explain to me how we are here?

[spirit]

in my opinion in think a mind is one's way of thinking
no.... those are your thoughts.... but what is a mind? You know what mind is?
When you think of a mind... what do you imagine it to be?
Mind might "create" thoughts...... but it is not "a way of thinking".... lol

[analogZero]

lol... analog... you missed something I wrote in a huge font! I said IN YOUR OWN WORDS.[/SIZE]
I don't want you to give me links... to Wiki.. and other dictionaries...
I already know it. pffff....
prove first that I don't write for dictionary.com and I shall recind!

[spirit]

If God did not exist then explain to me how we are here?
Well, some things are just unexplained. And the question you are asking is one of those things... NO ONE CAN answer. Because there is no absolute answer to it. Do you know what axiom is? For sure the existence of God is not an axiom. It depends on you and your beliefs; if you want to believe in god or not... but it is not a common sense or a certainty. Therefore god is just a belief, nothing more and nothing less.
I wish I know how the whole universe was created and why we are here. What is the whole purpose of the human kind. Maybe if I was a "divine being" then I could answer all of those questions... but since I am only a human... I am lost in this whole mystery as everyone else. All I know is that I know nothing.

[jamjfly]

Well, some things are just unexplained. And the question you are asking is one of those things... NO ONE CAN answer. Because there is no absolute answer to it. Do you know what axiom is? For sure the existence of God is not an axiom. It depends on you and your beliefs; if you want to believe in god or not... but it is not a common sense or a certainty. Therefore god is just a belief, nothing more and nothing less.
I wish I know how the whole universe was created and why we are here. What is the whole purpose of the human kind. Maybe if I was a "divine being" then I could answer all of those questions... but since I am only a human... I am lost in this whole mystery as everyone else. All I know is that I know nothing.

Good answer.

[analogZero]

no.... those are your thoughts.... but what is a mind? You know what mind is?
When you think of a mind... what do you imagine it to be?
Mind might "create" thoughts...... but it is not "a way of thinking".... lol

"a way of thinking and feeling; disposition; temper:"

dictionary.com strikes again!

[spirit]

Good answer.
Where is my prize?........... just kidding, lol
But seriously. It is a dilemma. If you believe in God, then "you're saved", because you believe in something that someone already told you and "it's ok." But if you are one of those "open-minded" ppl... who don't take something that "simple" as an answer.. than... nothing is evident.


analogZero.... move your lazy..... mind (haha).... and stop taking credits for someone else's work.... xD If you wrote it, then you know it... it shouldn't be any problem for you to talk about it... Don't post me hyper links. I want your Hyper thoughts! ;)

NOTE: BTW... everything that you find in any dictionary... especially the WESTERN ENGLISH whatever.... is a bull shit - nothing less and nothing more.
ppl who wrote those definitions have no clue what they are talking about.... PERIOD.
MAKE UP YOUR OWN DEFINITIONS! Got it??

[RzXzB]

The mind is who you are it's your dreams your hopes and who you are as a person I think lol

[spirit]

The mind is who you are it's your dreams your hopes and who you are as a person I think lol
I like this one.... at least someone used his mind to come up with something ;)
I do agree completely. Our mind is who we are. It is our CORE as well as SOUL.
But it is also a set of much more than just our dreams and hopes.... ;)))
Good way of thinking.

[Nahmu]

a mind is a terrible thing to waste :)

i'm finding it terribly difficult to define "mind" without grossly generalizing people's experiences. the short of it would be this: every person's mind is the result of brain power and consciousness; the mind manipulates and interprets a person's experience with life and thus, creates our perceptions of the world as our personal "realities."

... lol, make sense?

[Nahmu]

Btw, now you just showed me you think like Eastern ppl do, since you believe that personality (which is certainly a part of human [U]mind) is not a part of our "anatomy" (physical part) but is non-physical. I hope you get what I mean. ;))))


side note to sp!r!t: i took this quote from a previous thread, but was that the inspiration for this one?

[partyprobe]

The mind is a physical part of the body. And the thought process in my way of think doesn't exist lol.

[spirit]

a mind is a terrible thing to waste :)

i'm finding it terribly difficult to define "mind" without grossly generalizing people's experiences. the short of it would be this: every person's mind is the result of brain power and consciousness; the mind manipulates and interprets a person's experience with life and thus, creates our perceptions of the world as our personal "realities."

... lol, make sense?
Definitely!!! :D
You know what is really scary? In a Western psychology... (as well as most of Americans live w/ a conviction) "mind" is "brain".... lol. Most of US citizens actually believe that mind is a physical part of a brain. This is what I call being locked in a very dark and tight box, without any outlook on what's outside.

side note to sp!r!t: i took this quote from a previous thread, but was that the inspiration for this one?

Naahh.... I actually was thinking about making this thread a long time ago...
First time I wanted to ask those questions was about a month ago... ;)
So, no... I didn't get "inspired" just today. Those are some ideas I carry with me since I was born ;) hehe

[analogZero]

analogZero.... move your lazy..... mind (haha).... and stop taking credits for someone else's work.... xD If you wrote it, then you know it... it shouldn't be any problem for you to talk about it... Don't post me hyper links. I want your Hyper thoughts! ;)


just because it's not something intangible or far out doesn't make it nonsense. it's just knowledge. and that knowledge is debatably as relevant as anything else you've learned. there's a lot to think about on that page if you go and look at it. 19 different perspectives on the definition of mind as a noun! though they may not be overly elaborate, they still usher their wealth in a jump start.
I'm just saying that I could give you more than a number of good explanations of what "mind" is.

"what is mind? no matter. what is matter? never mind..."

[Nahmu]

You know what is really scary? In a Western psychology... (as well as most of Americans live w/ a conviction) "mind" is "brain".... lol. Most of US citizens actually believe that mind is a physical part of a brain. This is what I call being locked in a very dark and tight box, without any outlook on what's outside.


i can't bring myself to agree with that western psychology... there is some unknown power in the sense of consciousness that is more akin to a soul of sorts rather than firing neurons. i'm not knocking the brain, i'm very happy to be the proud owner of a fairly efficient one, but there is more mystery to life than just attributing the same definitions to "mind" and "brain."

[partyprobe]

If God did not exist then explain to me how we are here?

Watch the discovery channel.

[spirit]

just because it's not something intangible or far out doesn't make it nonsense. it's just knowledge. and that knowledge is debatably as relevant as anything else you've learned. there's a lot to think about on that page if you go and look at it. 19 different perspectives on the definition of mind as a noun! though they may not be overly elaborate, they still usher their wealth in a jump start.
I'm just saying that I could give you more than a number of good explanations of what "mind" is.

"what is mind? no matter. what is matter? never mind..."
yo.... I don't care what some definition says.... I want a dense mass of ppl to move their glial (gray) cells... lol

[jamjfly]

Watch the discovery channel.

Dude, we did not come from apes. don't give me that BS.

[spirit]

Dude, we did not come from apes. don't give me that BS.
LOL... that was a hilarious response! haha

[jamjfly]

LOL... that was a hilarious response! haha

Glad you liked it, I thought it was funny myself.::D:

[spirit]

Glad you liked it, I thought it was funny myself.::D:
yeah... though I hope ppl will come up with some new ideas for this thread... maybe on days I will see some new... wonderful.... posts... ;)
I am just trying to motivate ppl to THINK. lol :dizzy:

[jamjfly]

yeah... though I hope ppl will come up with some new ideas for this thread... maybe on days I will see some new... wonderful.... posts... ;)
I am just trying to motivate ppl to THINK. lol :dizzy:

Well, it got me to think so I guess that is an achivement, cuz normally when I'm on the computer I try not to think.

[spirit]

Well, it got me to think so I guess that is an achivement, cuz normally when I'm on the computer I try not to think.
Speaking of thinking and the mind... even though we use our mind all the time... and we can't "shut it off" (even during the sleep) ... most of the people are not aware of that they are living..... It takes lots of meditation to get to that "awareness" ...... somehow it reminds me about this movie... called... "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind"..... it illustrated some of the ideas I was thinking about.

[jamjfly]

Maybe I will have to watch this movie.

[spirit]

Maybe I will have to watch this movie.
Umm, it is a very unique movie... similar to the "Butterfly Effect" - you gotta watch it at least a couple of times... because it won't make as much sense after the first time.... It's about mind's consciousness... as well as other mental states.. like phantasms.... Well, Jim Carrey plays the main character.. I could say it is a little bit a comedy, but not really.

[jamjfly]

Umm, it is a very unique movie... similar to the "Butterfly Effect" - you gotta watch it at least a couple of times... because it won't make as much sense after the first time.... It's about mind's consciousness... as well as other mental states.. like phantasms.... Well, Jim Carrey plays the main character.. I could say it is a little bit a comedy, but not really.

I've seen the Butterfly affect, and I thought that it was really good, so I might like this movie too.

[spirit]

I've seen the Butterfly affect, and I thought that it was really good, so I might like this movie too.
Well, it talks (in a funny way) about different mental processes. I've watched it a long while ago... but it was pretty "twisted."

The question is.... how much are we aware of our consciousness?

[alsharid]

All I know is that I know nothing.

That is definitely going to be in my "quote of the day"

[sousuke]

i would say a mind is non-physical an its another essence of the body just like a sp!r!t :D

[Shigami]

Hmm mind..
I never actually though about it,I think mind,is like a though,has also something to do with our free will,our own opinion about something.Therefore it's related to our brain.It's a part of it,just like dreams are.

[Xunlai]

I think mind is physical, what creates a mind, would have to be the way we go trhough life, learning and watching things. A mind is located in you liver.....no no your brain, your mind is your own and is located in your brain, because i dont think your getting everything you think and stuff from your liver....sorry to say

and to what jamjfly was saying about "god" and what not.....we came to be here by long lines of evolution......

[tripletres]

very difficult spirit... and i hate all of your tough questions... but ill try...
i do not believe mind is physical... if it was physical then everyone's mind would be roughly the same, ie: a physical part of myself are my hands. same for you. we both have hands, but although their different, they are more alike than different. I dont believe that a mind is alike to another mind, unless swayed. a mind can be swayed if convinced it is wrong. minds are different. my mind is different than a rapist's, or a murderer. mind is, in my opinion, non-physical and what controls your actions, kinda like a concience. it says when you're hit, you feel pain. when you get what you want, you feel happy. when you see someone you love, you want to be with them forever. when you had too many drinks, you feel sick lol jk. but i think that is what a mind does, controls emotions in corespondence to and action. ie: if i were to give you chocolate, your mind would say to be happy, because you just got chocolate. but if i were to give it to... Fred, lets say Fred's allergic, when i give the chocolate to Fred, his mind could be either angry or sad, depending on how he views it. im giving you both chocolate, but your minds react differently. this is hard to explain, so if it sounds like im repeating myself... sry... but now you know where i stand on this issue.

[Rincewind]

Haha, no... it doesn't mean I have a lot of free time... jeez.
It means something completely different ;)
Lots of free time have those who never need to use their minds ;)
It takes more to think of something "deeper" rather than play "mindless" games like posting pictures of "hot anime girls" (which btw, I enjoy once in a while).
Regarding your response, it depends .... if someone believes in the existence of God..... what if god do not exist... than what?



lol... analog... you missed something I wrote in a huge font! I said IN YOUR OWN WORDS.
I don't want you to give me links... to Wiki.. and other dictionaries...
I already know it. pffff....

What is this sp!r!t?complaining? maybe koopa , Myself and the other guys should resign just right now :P

It takes a great mind to find some really hot chicks too!!!!

[strike7785]

To me the mind is both a mental side and a physical side. The mental side is the actual thinking you got to do for the books and what to say to your girl friend when you are out on a date. The physical side of the brain is the telekentic part in which you can read minds or even see into the future. Only some can actually do this and I am not one of them.

[leerock89]

My mind is my own even though sometimes its not there. I can tell if it's mine too cause this one time at band camp I thought I was a mousekteer and it took me a whole week to chase out that dam mouse from my head and reinsert my own conscience into my head. The only bad part was the dam tail it freakn grew somehow.... had to go to New York to a specialist to get it removed....and it did leave some things behind like the craving for cheese, which I'm sure some of you have noticed I have this thing for cheese.... and yea from that I learned how to control my own mind and what nots...the one thing I'm now aiming for is to be able to blow up things with my mind...almost there...moved a bean last time....

[strike7785]

My mind is my own even though sometimes its not there. I can tell if it's mine too cause this one time at band camp I thought I was a mousekteer and it took me a whole week to chase out that dam mouse from my head and reinsert my own conscience into my head. The only bad part was the dam tail it freakn grew somehow.... had to go to New York to a specialist to get it removed....and it did leave some things behind like the craving for cheese, which I'm sure some of you have noticed I have this thing for cheese.... and yea from that I learned how to control my own mind and what nots...the one thing I'm now aiming for is to be able to blow up things with my mind...almost there...moved a bean last time....

WWWWOOOOOOWWWWWW!!!! That is one hell of a mind:scaried:

[leerock89]

WWWWOOOOOOWWWWWW!!!! That is one hell of a mind:scaried:

Eh, its mine so to me its nothing really special.

[Nahmu]

mind is, in my opinion, non-physical and what controls your actions, kinda like a concience. it says when you're hit, you feel pain. when you get what you want, you feel happy. when you see someone you love, you want to be with them forever. when you had too many drinks, you feel sick lol jk. but i think that is what a mind does, controls emotions in corespondence to and action. ie: if i were to give you chocolate, your mind would say to be happy, because you just got chocolate. but if i were to give it to... Fred, lets say Fred's allergic, when i give the chocolate to Fred, his mind could be either angry or sad, depending on how he views it. im giving you both chocolate, but your minds react differently. this is hard to explain, so if it sounds like im repeating myself... sry... but now you know where i stand on this issue.

i rebut your opinion and delegate your points to your nervous, endocrine and hormonal systems rather than your mind. your examples are of bodily systemic functions rather than those of the mind... in my opinion.

[analogZero]

it's an abstract concept!...or am I thinking of love...(scratches head)

[sleeper101]

wow spirit you like to make people and i think it's both phsyical and non-phsyical do i have an explanation no.

[spirit]

i rebut your opinion and delegate your points to your nervous, endocrine and hormonal systems rather than your mind. your examples are of bodily systemic functions rather than those of the mind... in my opinion.
I must agree with you on that one ;)
Impressive.

[Russkie]

The mind...

The mind is that thing I am so desperately trying to use to answer your question. Give me awhile, I will come up with something (I hope).

[analogZero]

Mystical
Indefinite
Neural
Decisive
!

...I miss kindergarten

[leerock89]

Mystical
Indefinite
Neural
Decisive
!

...I miss kindergarten

Yes, those were the better days. No worries abot anything but what to play during recess and what to ea during lunch. then to go home, worry about homework then play video games or go outside till dinner. Never worrying about the future. Not thinking about what society is doing to me at the moment. But you have to admit the parties are SSSOOOO much better as an adult then as a kid.

[spirit]

The mind...

The mind is that thing I am so desperately trying to use to answer your question. Give me awhile, I will come up with something (I hope).
That is just great, Russkie! :D I can't wait to see that coming ;)

Mystical
Indefinite
Neural
Decisive
!

...I miss kindergarten


Mmm... you are becoming more and more sophisticated......
mystical is my favorite ;)... no wait.... indefinite.... ;)

[Rincewind]

The Mind is something that makes you self aware and you can solve problems with it, but I belive Humans will never unlock the secrets of the mind cuz our mind is too complicated, yet when you are dead its just a slump of gray mass :P

[spirit]

The Mind is something that makes you self aware and you can solve problems with it, but I belive Humans will never unlock the secrets of the mind cuz our mind is too complicated, yet when you are dead its just a slump of gray mass :P
well. even when you're alive the brain it is only "a slump of gray mass".
You are talking about the brain and what it contains... though it is NOT a mind ;)
I can agree with you somewhat on the first part of your statement... but the second... hmm... nope. I can't ;)
If your mind is non-physical when you are alive... how can it become physical when you're dead? It doesn't make sense, does it?
That is the whole secret. Some people, even scientists realized a long .. long.. time ago... that a mind is something much more.... and way beyond our physical body.
Perhaps our minds.. don't even exist actually inside our bodies... BUT outside!
Mind never changes. I mean.... no one knows if it ever dies... maybe, when your body dies... it just changes it's form.. and place.
Mind... a cumulation of thoughts/ideas, emotions/feelings, all different levels of our consciousness.... our ego.... plus... imagination.... and our WILL... all in one.

[monsoon 10]

My mind is a system of neurons that activates in my brain using an ion channel.

[spirit]

My mind is a system of neurons that activates in my brain using an ion channel.
You're wrong. lol.. you think like a typical westerner.

[tripletres]

You're wrong. lol.. you think like a typical westerner.
some of us take offense.

[Mugen]

When you get married say goodbye to your hopes, your dreams, your ambitions, your imaginations, anything you loved. ^_^

[analogZero]

You're wrong. lol.. you think like a typical westerner.

bah, a typical non westerner thinking we're always wrong!
anybody got a mirror? we might need it in a second.

[spirit]

When you get married say goodbye to your hopes, your dreams, your ambitions, your imaginations, anything you loved. ^_^
How did you know it?..........................................
and we lose anything we loved? how about this other person?

[Mugen]

I'm talking about something you loved, I'm talking about sports, habits, beer. ETC.

[spirit]

I'm talking about something you loved, I'm talking about sports, habits, beer. ETC.
so......should I assume, you will never get married?

[Mugen]

Take the plunge? Doubt it! xD I'm going into the secks business!

[spirit]

Take the plunge? Doubt it! xD I'm going into the secks business!
don't even joke about this!

Since you keep my heart with yours.... you need to take a good care of it. Don't waste it. ;))))

[tripletres]

hmmm... is it just me, or has this thread gon off topic?

[spirit]

hmmm... is it just me, or has this thread gon off topic?
So... why don't we get back on topic... I am always here to.. confront other points of view ;)

I disagree with all of those who believe mind is a physical part of our body.

[tripletres]

So... why don't we get back on topic... I am always here to.. confront other points of view ;)

I disagree with all of those who believe mind is a physical part of our body.
wat do u think about wat i said on pg 4?

[analogZero]

I'd like to suggest examining a short phrase: "mind, body, and soul"
If these are considered as seperate essences, then where does the mind exist? somewhere between the body and the soul. So it's neither physical, nor spiritual though this phrase is held in regard by both religious and non religious people alike.
discuss...

[spirit]

very difficult spirit... and i hate all of your tough questions... but ill try...
i do not believe mind is physical... if it was physical then everyone's mind would be roughly the same, ie: a physical part of myself are my hands. same for you. we both have hands, but although their different [ good point ], they are more alike than different. I dont believe that a mind is alike to another mind, unless swayed. a mind can be swayed if convinced it is wrong. minds are different. my mind is different than a rapist's, or a murderer.[ well, yes... and that's another thing I was discussing in my previous thread regarding "evil people" - as well as our mental characteristics, preferences in general ] mind is, in my opinion, non-physical and what controls your actions, kinda like a concience. [ ok... to be even more correct... every person has more than one "consciousness", some people call them "levels of consciousness" which include our awareness, ego, super ego, id.. and the other consciousness which "makes us" feel guilty/morality ] it says when you're hit, you feel pain. when you get what you want, you feel happy. when you see someone you love, you want to be with them forever. when you had too many drinks, you feel sick lol jk. [ you are naming here all of the different emotions... who also are created in our mind, I am not sure if our mind is responsible for creating those... maybe? sometimes... but mostly I believe emotions are the effects of our thoughts (?) which are an "automatic" (unaware) reaction on something that happens either outside/inside us ] but i think that is what a mind does, controls emotions in corespondence to and action. ie: if i were to give you chocolate, your mind would say to be happy, because you just got chocolate. but if i were to give it to... Fred, lets say Fred's allergic, when i give the chocolate to Fred, his mind could be either angry or sad, depending on how he views it. im giving you both chocolate, but your minds react differently. this is hard to explain, so if it sounds like im repeating myself... sry... but now you know where i stand on this issue.

um, the last part about the allergy... chocolate and mind... sounds pretty funny... ;) I can't take that as being true, though ;)
Some believe our mind is capable of controlling our emotions... but I personally think... it can't. There is just too much going on.... stuff we just can't be aware of.
I am pretty tired (over 12 hours non stop on af!!!)

[analogZero]

emotions are chemical reactions...




but I guess that wouldn't satisfy the minds of many people here...

[spirit]

emotions are chemical reactions...

but I guess that wouldn't satisfy the minds of many people here...
hahahahahahaha.......
only that?
Ok... I gotta come back tomorrow and comment your other post..... I'm falling asleep now... CIAO!!

[Trey10]

hahahahahahaha.......
only that?
Ok... I gotta come back tomorrow and comment your other post..... I'm falling asleep now... CIAO!!

I don't get it if a mind isn't physical then what do suppose it is??:oo:

[monsoon 10]

You're wrong. lol.. you think like a typical westerner.

I don't think like a typical westerner, I think like somebody that bases my beliefs on scientific explanation that type of person can be found anywhere in the world. In fact I will argue that scientific thinking is better then simple philosophy when it comes to explaining the mind. Frankly in my opinion this whole "spiritual" aspect society has created was a simple way for humans to cope with their fear of death, a convenient lie if you will.

[jamjfly]

I don't think like a typical westerner, I think like somebody that bases my beliefs on scientific explanation that type of person can be found anywhere in the world. In fact I will argue that scientific thinking is better then simple philosophy when it comes to explaining the mind. Frankly in my opinion this whole "spiritual" aspect society has created was a simple way for humans to cope with their fear of death, a convenient lie if you will.

Scientific thinking is not better then philosophy because science cannot explain what philosophy can. I believe this to be true.

[Trey10]

Scientific thinking is not better then philosophy because science cannot explain what philosophy can. I believe this to be true.

In both ways your right but in the end it all comes down to the fact that just something can't be explained

[jamjfly]

In both ways your right but in the end it all comes down to the fact that just something can't be explained

this is also true.

[spirit]

I don't think like a typical westerner, I think like somebody that bases my beliefs on scientific explanation that type of person can be found anywhere in the world. In fact I will argue that scientific thinking is better then simple philosophy when it comes to explaining the mind. Frankly in my opinion this whole "spiritual" aspect society has created was a simple way for humans to cope with their fear of death, a convenient lie if you will.
haha.... I believe it is actually the opposite... since you can't explain everything scientifically... and human mind is one of those "things."
And you mistake philosophy with what? "spiritual aspects".. lol... those two are completely different matters.
Philosophy isn't what you can call a "spiritual talking".. haha.... it is creating theories, ideas, based on experience, observation, one's intelligence to comprehend as well as scientific explanation and other aspects which can't be scientifically explained, since there are no absolute things in this world, and no axioms we can rely on. And the things you may call "facts"... are not facts but just the beliefs which exist only in this present time and place. However, none of the "facts" are undeniable. Are you getting this?
Do you know what is a psychology?
This whole thread and conversations is about psychology.
Psyche + logic. Now, in western terminology... psychology is a "scientific" study of mind and behavior.... haha.. which actually makes me laugh.... scientific.... firstly, explain what scientific study means... what? do we "scientifically measure" the mind?... how?...
keep thinking... i just left you a hint ;))))

[Trey10]

haha.... I believe it is actually the opposite... since you can't explain everything scientifically... and human mind is one of those "things."
And you mistake philosophy with what? "spiritual aspects".. lol... those two are completely different matters.
Philosophy isn't what you can call a "spiritual talking".. haha.... it is creating theories, ideas, based on experience, observation, one's intelligence to comprehend as well as scientific explanation and other aspects which can't be scientifically explained, since there are no absolute things in this world, and no axioms we can rely on. And the things you may call "facts"... are not facts but just the beliefs which exist only in this present time and place. However, none of the "facts" are undeniable. Are you getting this?
Do you know what is a psychology?
This whole thread and conversations is about psychology.
Psyche + logic. Now, in western terminology... psychology is a "scientific" study of mind and behavior.... haha.. which actually makes me laugh.... scientific.... firstly, explain what scientific study means... what? do we "scientifically measure" the mind?... how?...
keep thinking... i just left you a hint ;))))

Do honestly belive that like for instance can science explain the very reason for our existence

[spirit]

Do honestly belive that like for instance can science explain the very reason for our existence
yo... re-write it... it doesn't make any sense to me :/ i don't know if this is a question or a statement.. lol

[Trey10]

yo... re-write it... it doesn't make any sense to me :/ i don't know if this is a question or a statement.. lol

Ok....It's basically asking you can find the exacate meaning for everythning you inquire about

[monsoon 10]

haha.... I believe it is actually the opposite... since you can't explain everything scientifically... and human mind is one of those "things."


I don't mean to offend you but everything can be explained scientifically it's just that the answer still needs to be found. I mean honestly if that was the mindset society carried we would all be a bunch of insolent dirt peasants that never bothered to find out anything, claiming that if it hasn't been discovered yet it will never be discovered.

[spirit]

Ok....It's basically asking you can find the exacate meaning for everythning you inquire about
"it's basically asking you".... - what is asking me?.. you?
And no, I don't think that science can answer all of the questions.

[Trey10]

I don't mean to offend you but everything can be explained scientifically it's just that the answer still needs to be found. I mean honestly if that was the mindset society carried we would all be a bunch of insolent dirt peasants that never bothered to find out anything, claiming that if it hasn't been discovered yet it will never be discovered.

LOL.....You make a very good point but let me pose a counter stament to your post as human beings we evolve and due that process we expand our horizens and process things differently so it's kind of redundent to arguee against a question that if we differnt think everything could can or can't be eplained by science beacaus back then we needed to adapt to the time in order to move same as in tghis era..:serious:

[spirit]

I don't mean to offend you but everything can be explained scientifically it's just that the answer still needs to be found. I mean honestly if that was the mindset society carried we would all be a bunch of insolent dirt peasants that never bothered to find out anything, claiming that if it hasn't been discovered yet it will never be discovered.
lol.... no, I don't mean to offend you. ;)
But you have just made a cardinal mistake. And you didn't offend me, but ancient civilizations from China, Rome, Greek, ancient Egyptian or Arabs.
You think, that we live in a civilized world. And maybe you believe we are the creators of this great civilization, and if not our scientific approach we would still live in a dirt, eating dirt and die in dirt. Nothing more erroneous. You are not aware of it, but your words sounded like the ancient civilizations "never bothered to find out anything"... just because they lived in a different civilization, lacking the "scientific tools"... however our knowledge is based on their knowledge... and their knowledge was based on wisdom that came through life experience, observations (i.e. the sky), and a lot of thinking... which brought them to the matters of the greatest mathematics and alchemy. In fact, we and our civilization are nothing compared to them. I mean, did we really come up with something new? We still teach the same math at school (that they "created")... and most of us can't even comprehend the real math, which simply is just beyond our ability to understand.... because it's on the edge of abstraction (those "almost spiritual matters you were talkin about" as well as cosmic matters/different dimensions). Same with the greatest Roman or Greek thinkers (philosophers) and theorists .... they have came up with much greater knowledge that we ever will. Not to mention, we have based our "scientific explanations" exactly on that knowledge, therefore we have kind of "easier" situation to re-think all of the theories... and try to come up with something new... at least we have something "ready" in a front of us... and those.. "ahh.." "wonderful scientific labs"... right? (haha)
And I didn't say something can't be discovered.... we can discover as much as we can.... But do you realize that still our abilities are very limited? There are dimensions which we can't cross...
I wonder... how would you like to (scientifically) find god....? (if there is any) I mean what does science say about its existence? can science define god and what is divine?
Can science measure your emotions? can science measure your thought?.. can you actually take your "mind" out... put it on a lab's table... and cut it? measure it? touch it?... or see it under a microscope? I mean MIND... not brain...
Can you see anger? you can only see and describe the "effect" of anger... same with the electricity. You can see the effect of the electricity during the thunderstorm.... because the electricity is so hot that is burns the air around.... so what we see is a blazing air... but not the electricity itself. Cam you see fear? you can't even though ppl keep saying "I can see fear in your eyes" - what you see is just what feat does to this person, the body reaction.
Science is not an axiom, because same with ppl's beliefs it changes. Example. When I was in elementary school.... they taught me about the planets in the solar system. And my grades where based on knowing the "facts", which supposedly were true, right?
well, not anymore since... some of the planets are not considered planets anymore but just "blue bodies".... Some scientists came with those facts, they even approved them to be real and true.. and now what? haha....
Another reason why I don't believe in what churches say... or some of the things bible illustrates...
Like the "fact" that god had created only one world... blah blah blah...
nonsense... A group of scientists from Poland have currently discovered (a month ago) an existence of another planet which is delusively similar to our planet Earth! ;) It is 3 times smaller... but hey! we have another Earth ;)
Well, what I am saying is that scientific facts.... are just beliefs which withing the time change... and the are being disapproved.
And Like I mentioned above, some things can't be explained... at least at this moment. It would be great if some day we could answer all of the questions. If you, monsoon, believe so much in science... and its infinite ability to explain things.... then tell me, why do we exist?.... I mean there must be a better explanation than "it was just a process of evolution".... lol....
ok..... To be honest with you I hate thinking about those things... lol... ;))))))))))))))))))))))

[analogZero]

I don't think like a typical westerner, I think like somebody that bases my beliefs on scientific explanation that type of person can be found anywhere in the world. In fact I will argue that scientific thinking is better then simple philosophy when it comes to explaining the mind. Frankly in my opinion this whole "spiritual" aspect society has created was a simple way for humans to cope with their fear of death, a convenient lie if you will.

pfft. stereotypes.

so, sp!r!t, you skimped out on that post of mine to argue over whether infinity is infinite or not (well that's how I saw it.) Monsoon was just saying that progressing continuously forward, however infinite the universe may be, there is cause for all that exists within it. You're speech seemed to support this as well in many facets. The fact that we build upon the knowledge of the past doesn't degrade that of the modern day. If you make mistakes or revelations, you learn and build from them, don't you?
I did however notice that you acquaint emotion quite intimately with the mind. There's actually a handful of modern day scientific types that are in the process of giving physical attribution to our every day emotions. I'll try and find you a nice link or something and you can go have a read. It's quite interesting the further you examine it. That's why I mentioned emotions as chemicals...well small proteins actually...it sort of works the same way opiates do.

[spirit]

pfft. stereotypes.

so, sp!r!t, you skimped out on that post of mine to argue over whether infinity is infinite or not (well that's how I saw it.) Monsoon was just saying that progressing continuously forward, however infinite the universe may be, there is cause for all that exists within it. You're speech seemed to support this as well in many facets. The fact that we build upon the knowledge of the past doesn't degrade that of the modern day. If you make mistakes or revelations, you learn and build from them, don't you?
I did however notice that you acquaint emotion quite intimately with the mind. There's actually a handful of modern day scientific types that are in the process of giving physical attribution to our every day emotions. I'll try and find you a nice link or something and you can go have a read. It's quite interesting the further you examine it. That's why I mentioned emotions as chemicals...well small proteins actually...it sort of works the same way opiates do.
Well, it's not like I've never thought about emotions in a "physical" aspect. I do know it is about the "chemistry" in our body. ;) I know exactly what happens to my body... when I'm really scared.... I know all of the symptoms... starting with the muscle pain, blood rushing in my veins... sweat... tension... drastic changes of the body temperature... and all of the "chemicals" and "impulses" pulsing in my body.... and sending information to my brain, which wakes up my awareness (and then shuts it down again, lol). I can sense those, when I experience certain emotions...Especially, when I go to Six Flags and get some crazy rides ;).... yeah, the feeling of the adrenaline running in my body- ohhhh! love it... same when I speed on a high-way.... the feeling of pleasure mixed with the fear, again, adrenaline - pure ecstasy for my mind....(brain). It's just that I am one of those, who are not being satisfied with a dry scientific explanation. Sometimes, it is just not enough for me.
I think I've heard something about "emotions/proteins"....though, if you can find the link to it.... Just post it here.. so anyone who is interested can read it ;)

well, did you really feel like reading the whole thing I wrote above..... damn.... I didn't realize it was soooo long. haha

[analogZero]

There's actually a movie (kind of a documentary I suppose, but more educationalistic) called 'down the rabbit hole'. It's where I first heard about it, and though it isn't the most entertaining and kind of corny in parts, it's certainly interesting and "mind" blowing. I tried to find a few links, but most are either scientific jargon (not much fun for little harpo), fn long and not very to the point. I'll keep hunting.
Essentially the cells of your body have receptors. all the cells of your body are linked together by means of these receptors and how they communicate (via the brain). peptides are triggered by the brain through external stimulus and so forth and different peptides are released for different stimulus (emotion, let's say). When you experience emotions you go through physical and mental sensations as well as neurological fluxuations as a result of the chemicals released into your body as communicators based off the signals sent out from the brain as a result of you emotional reaction.
It even goes into how our emotional states are a key factor (by means of these peptides) in the deterioration of cells and mutations in cells as well as aging, addiction, physical damage caused by 'negative' emotion and stress, and more. It's quite interesting, so I'll try and find something to post.

[spirit]

There's actually a movie (kind of a documentary I suppose, but more educationalistic) called 'down the rabbit hole'. It's where I first heard about it, and though it isn't the most entertaining and kind of corny in parts, it's certainly interesting and "mind" blowing. I tried to find a few links, but most are either scientific jargon (not much fun for little harpo), fn long and not very to the point. I'll keep hunting.
Essentially the cells of your body have receptors. all the cells of your body are linked together by means of these receptors and how they communicate (via the brain). peptides are triggered by the brain through external stimulus and so forth and different peptides are released for different stimulus (emotion, let's say). When you experience emotions you go through physical and mental sensations as well as neurological fluxuations as a result of the chemicals released into your body as communicators based off the signals sent out from the brain as a result of you emotional reaction.
It even goes into how our emotional states are a key factor in the deterioration of cells and mutations in cells as well as aging, addiction, physical damage caused by 'negative' emotion and stress, and more. It's quite interesting, so I'll try and find something to post.

awww, I am sooo tired now.... ahhh.... I wanted to read the whole thing... but I just paused on....'down the rabbit hole' - haha... it reminded me of the conversations I was having with one of my af friends, who said it a couple of times.... referring to my never ending questions.... lol... ;) :dizzy:
of course, it was a joke.

ok. you said: "when you experience emotions" - how? and where do I experience them? is it my heart? my brain? my mind? or maybe outside of my body?
I understand this whole process of neurological fluctuation.... but where do the emotions originate ...

omg. I read the whole thing.. w/o falling asleep! I mean I am really tired :/.... but still I was so curious in what you posted. I highlighted the parts which are important to me... so I can analyze them ....
stress.... ohh... that's a "big one"... I mean it is the "killer".... which is responsible for our life styles and how long people live...
(There are actually some random people in Eastern Europe, who live for over 125 years -not kidding- just because they have a stress-less lives ;))

[KayBlack]

I hear if you use 100 % of your mind at once, your body would exceed to the limit of a superhuman. I think it was an Einstein theory

[spirit]

I hear if you use 100 % of your mind at once, your body would exceed to the limit of a superhuman. I think it was an Einstein theory
I don't think it was his theory... why don't you check this...information.
It is actually a myth that ppl are using only about 10% of their brains.... the newest studies show we are supposedly using the total 100%. LOL
who knows.... Myth after myth ;) :dizzy:

[Koopaking]

The human mind is not a physical entity. If I take a sickle and drive it into your skull and your brains splatter everywhere, I am not going to see thoughts come spilling out too. The mind is a metaphysical capability of humans to think, and to learn. It's intangible. We all have it, and we can all use it. I'm not sure about the brain usage theory, because our brain controls our body parts, so if you are only using a small portion of the brain, wouldn't you have some sort of limp or some unresponsive appendages?

[Trey10]

The human mind is not a physical entity. If I take a sickle and drive it into your skull and your brains splatter everywhere, I am not going to see thoughts come spilling out too. The mind is a metaphysical capability of humans to think, and to learn. It's intangible. We all have it, and we can all use it. I'm not sure about the brain usage theory, because our brain controls our body parts, so if you are only using a small portion of the brain, wouldn't you have some sort of limp or some unresponsive appendages?

This sounds like you have a someone reading you a college student paper on the human mind.lol

If it's your own words then my bad

[spirit]

The human mind is not a physical entity. If I take a sickle and drive it into your skull and your brains splatter everywhere, I am not going to see thoughts come spilling out too. The mind is a metaphysical capability of humans to think, and to learn. It's intangible. We all have it, and we can all use it. I'm not sure about the brain usage theory, because our brain controls our body parts, so if you are only using a small portion of the brain, wouldn't you have some sort of limp or some unresponsive appendages?
your response doesn't sound that bad..... though, I am going to dig into it.. when I get my mind back... I mean after I get some sleep....

[analogZero]

[FONT="Trebuchet MS"]but where do the emotions originate ...

omg. I read the whole thing.. w/o falling asleep!

Don't think of them as popping out of thin air. Our emotional reactions are simply triggered by association. It's been shown that areas of the brain show hightened activity during moments of happiness and show decreases in those same areas when we feel blue. The brain makes associations to the world around us. It interprets and acts accordingly to communicate with the body...unless you've got that limp koopa's talking about.


and oh ya...thanks a hundred.XP

[suune]

A mind is the result of your brain functioning. The mind is not the same as the brain although when people say what's on your mind they think of the brain. A mind is something that separates us from acting only with our instinincts.

[spike81x]

the mind is in essence both physical and non-physical if you think about it from both anatomical prospective and the sensory wise its just a group of signals shooting here and there so yea...

[spirit]

Don't think of them as popping out of thin air. Our emotional reactions are simply triggered by association. It's been shown that areas of the brain show hightened activity during moments of happiness and show decreases in those same areas when we feel blue. The brain makes associations to the world around us. It interprets and acts accordingly to communicate with the body...unless you've got that limp koopa's talking about.


and oh ya...thanks a hundred.XPLOL.... I said it because I was dead-tired... not because it was boring ^^

Where is this link you were supposed to find and put here?????? I want to read it! I want to educate myself, lol..... ;)

[Maydraie]

The mind is something i can use against you.

[spirit]

The mind is something i can use against you.Only this? lol... seems like you're wasting it, if this is the only way or purpose of using it.
Plus the question isn't "how do you use your mind" but what is a mind ;) Use your mind to comprehend what we are talking about, here ;) And use it again to come up with some good response :)

[monsoon 10]

The mind is something i can use against you.

Read what the thread is about before you post.

[Klard]

I think the mind is both physical and non-physical. The actual organ that is the brain is what most people think of when they think of the mind. The organ that controls all the others and gives us use of our limbs. That being said the thought processes and complex emotional responses that make up a person's personality are not physical. You can't see, touch or taste them.

[analogZero]

LOL.... I said it because I was dead-tired... not because it was boring ^^

Where is this link you were supposed to find and put here?????? I want to read it! I want to educate myself, lol..... ;)

here's a link to the movie site I was talking about. you might be able to find a torrent of it somewhere if anything. it's called "what the bleep do we know"

http://www.whatthebleep.com/

[spirit]

here's a link to the movie site I was talking about. you might be able to find a torrent of it somewhere if anything. it's called "what the bleep do we know"

http://www.whatthebleep.com/Thank you for remembering. I will watch it when I have "some" time : P

[analogZero]

Thank you for remembering. I will watch it when I have "some" time : P

swank. it's got like a 2 minute trailer on the main page.

[monsoon 10]

here's a link to the movie site I was talking about. you might be able to find a torrent of it somewhere if anything. it's called "what the bleep do we know"

http://www.whatthebleep.com/

I think I saw this on surfthechannel.com.

[athrun0017]

Somehow i get the feeling you get a kick out of making us guys think, don't you spirit? lol..

What do i believe mind is.. Though many can consider our minds to be a physical part of our body and in a sense it is.. though i could also consider the mind to be the one thing that could connect or seperate one person from another.. though we use our mind continuiously, its the only thing along with the heart that allows us to do the most simple of tasks.. it alone has the power to control our very actions and our very train of thoughts as well..

[spirit]

Somehow i get the feeling you get a kick out of making us guys think, don't you spirit? lol..

What do i believe mind is.. Though many can consider our minds to be a physical part of our body and in a sense it is.. though i could also consider the mind to be the one thing that could connect or seperate one person from another.. though we use our mind continuiously, its the only thing along with the heart that allows us to do the most simple of tasks.. it alone has the power to control our very actions and our very train of thoughts as well..I like the way of your thinking. Nice explanatory, it makes sense to me.
Sometimes I wonder.... where are the thoughts coming from. I mean i know they come from our mind... but I would like to know how exactly. What kind of phenomenon is that. The "clash" - a very moment when an idea or a thought "appears" in mind. Hm... just makes me wonder.

[DARKSYSTEM]

well what i think a mind is ??? a part of u it's what u think, what u feel, what u taste
the mind tells u what all these thinks are
the mind is u i mean it make's up who u are
well thats what i think ???

[monsoon 10]

I like the way of your thinking. Nice explanatory, it makes sense to me.


You're aware Myth Busters busted the myth that living organisms are connected on a subconscious level.

[spirit]

You're aware Myth Busters busted the myth that living organisms are connected on a subconscious level. 1. Why do you always pick on me?
2. You got too excited about some commercialized TV show. You got stuck on it like a fly on a flypaper.
3. If those experiments were done by Westerners, then I don't give a d*** about the results...
4. All of the facts are based on someone else's beliefs which may or may not change according to the circumstances. In other words, nothing is absolute and everything is relative.

[leerock89]

Yea....my mind left my head a long time ago...and it hasn't returned...hard to think without it...

[spirit]

Yea....my mind left my head a long time ago...and it hasn't returned...hard to think without it...hehee ....... that was a good one *smiles*
leerock ♥

[athrun0017]

I like the way of your thinking. Nice explanatory, it makes sense to me.
Sometimes I wonder.... where are the thoughts coming from. I mean i know they come from our mind... but I would like to know how exactly. What kind of phenomenon is that. The "clash" - a very moment when an idea or a thought "appears" in mind. Hm... just makes me wonder.

whats even more fascinating is that we can even think, the way we could develope a personality, even more so when we learn how to control urges.. though i don't know that answers to your question spirit, i would very much like to find out.

[amerikajin]

Nice, Spirit, this question ought to get my mind back in gear for college.

I believe the mind is non-physical and a part of the soul. It contains reason and emotions. As it is non-physical, it cannot be 'found' in a physical sense as in pointing at a specific area of the brain and saying "here it is!" I look at the mind the same way I look at wind: you cannot see it, but you can see its effects. I cannot physically see my mind, but the fact that I can think and those thoughts affect my life in physical ways show that it exists. Also, just as a tall building can block wind, the physical world can have strong effects on our mind. A severe blow to the head may cause damage in the thinking process, a slight imbalance of chemicals in the brain can cause depression, a mutation in one part of the DNA may cause autism or schizophrenia. This is because our souls (which house our minds) are firmly connected to the physical world through our physical bodies. If damage occurs to our physical bodies, the soul cannot use it fully, therefore creating what seem to be mental defects or disorders. Once we die, there are no longer the physical effects on our mind and it can be used to its full capacity. As a Christian, I believe the human mind was created by God, although that is not to say that he has last say in how a person's mind turns out. Our life experiences affect how our mind forms. What we see, feel, taste, smell, and hear help us build our minds each and every day. The mind creates how a person sees the world and how they react to it.

That's about what I can manage to squeeze out at the moment. My thinking processes went to sleep mode when school let out in May and they are barely starting to reboot for when my classes start next week. Any questions or responses based off this, though, I will be glad to respond to.

[meraychan]

its a physical part of the body of course...but its intangible...well 4 me everything is created by GOD...no more questions 4 dat lol...dats wat i believe...^_^

[Trey10]

whats even more fascinating is that we can even think, the way we could develope a personality, even more so when we learn how to control urges.. though i don't know that answers to your question spirit, i would very much like to find out.

Well a good way to start of would be to think about when you yourself actually have and urge and think of the various things that trigger them off for instance '' Just finishing a meal then wanting more '' that comes under desires of ones self and one's desire are brought on about them selves by what type of personn they are, Then question the upbring of that person then you may find your answer there

This all may sound a bit confusing but thats just my anyligy:dancing:

[spirit]

its a physical part of the body of course...but its intangible...well 4 me everything is created by GOD...no more questions 4 dat lol...dats wat i believe...^_^Huh? You have just contradict yourself.

[Unknown]

its a physical part of the body of course...but its intangible...well 4 me everything is created by GOD...no more questions 4 dat lol...dats wat i believe...^_^

Taking the easy way I see..

[spirit]

Taking the easy way I see..haha, I didn't want to sound "mean" but that's what I though, too xD
"Easy way?" To me, it's called ignorance, or should I say.... lack of individual outlook on life.

[amerikajin]

its a physical part of the body of course...but its intangible...well 4 me everything is created by GOD...no more questions 4 dat lol...dats wat i believe...^_^

I also believe in the Creator God, but I also believe that he gave us minds to reason with and that because of this we should use them to our fullest extent as it is a form of worship to him. As a way to worship God and show our gratefulness, fear, and love for Him, we should think about things like sp!r!t's question thoroughly and give as thorough an answer as possible. Just putting Jesus or God as an answer and expecting that to be enough is actually disrespectful to Him, in my opinion, and it allows people to say you're "taking the easy way out" or "ignorant" or "lacking an individual outlook on life". I do hope I am not overstepping my boundaries and offending you, but answers like yours are reasons people outside of Christianity see Christians as people holding onto our beliefs on pure faith. Christianity can actually have an intellectual side/basis as well.