Oldskool vs. Nuskool?

[Kanu]

Anime is changing. The Gundam of now is very different from the Gundam of the past... but is it all good?
Animation techniques are also progressing, but is anyone else missing the warmth of hand drawn cell animation? Im wondering if we are in dire need of a bit of traditionalism...

[Ryuuzaki]

I personally like the newer style of anime then the older style. Not saying that because most of the anime I grew up with was with a newer style, but because I personally think it looks better. My reasons being, with stuff that is hand-drawn, it loses it's touch, where as anime that is drawn on the computer, has a much better feeling to it. With the older stuff, the detail that was put into it was amazing for what it was, but not something that I enjoy seeing on my computer of T.V. Stuff like Black Cat, that was done with Gonzo Digimation, I can watch over and over just because of the graphics, because I find that style way better then hand-drawn. Now, the stuff that haven't been using Gonzo, I still find just as good. They have more movement and in my opinion, more emotion then, example, Gundom Wing.

With the Gundom series, again, it still works better. The movement is better since the graphics have improved. You get a lot more action and you can really feel what's going on on the screen. Not saying I don't enjoy a good old-time anime now and then, like Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z, but I do prefer the newer stuff.

[spirit]

Firstly, I dislike your way of spelling words. Why to make it look even weirder? It doesn't look or sound any "cooler" if that was the purpose of it.
Second. I prefer the new generation of anime. I've been watching animes since late 80's... I went true a lot of anime titles, being (at that time) unaware those were Japanese anime... therefore I have some comparison.
I prefer new techniques for the simply reason - it all gotten better. I am a visual-sensation seeker... therefore new graphical possibilities and effects are what attracts my eye the most.
Sure, story.. plots.. all this stuff is important, too.
I'd rather go and look for some interesting new anime rather than search for some classics.

[SinXxX]

I have watched some old school animes. I think the reason why some people like it is because the emotion of the story (or the situation) is sometimes portayed on the way they draw them. For example in Voltes V and in Original Gundam. If the atmostphere is full of hatred or action, they tend to draw the charcters rough with many thicker lines or darker background. You can relate the feelings of the anime, even without hearing the voices. You can't see that in newer style animes nowadays. They tend to be realistic, so there is no more dynamic background or rougher sketches.
Also, another thing, people tend to think that older animes are somewhat original in terms of plot. Thats what's happening in some animes, that's why you can barely see some of your favourites being acknowledge by critics and anime fanatics alike. For example, Gundam Seed. If you ask some of the Gundam fanatics/gurus about it, they would/might scare the hell out of you because of the flaming - they actually think its a ripped off of the original Gundam.

[quietchat]

I don't think there's any reason to pick one over the other, when you can get the best of both worlds. The classics like Astro Boy, and the new modern like Bleach, you can enjoy everything and not have a care about which is better, because in the end you're having a good time.

[Kanu]

But doesnt anyone find its getting too clean? I remember the good ol days when animators were really pushing the medium, but now everything is too easy. The new Gundams seem to have got excessively complicated in design simply because they can.
And also, aestheticism seems to be lacking in modern anime. Ghost in the Shell and Akira both had an arresting aesthetic doctrine that makes them classics, and personally i dont think recent anime has that artistic quality. Or maybe its just down to directors, as Spirited Away (though not incredibly recent, still utilised more of the more up-to-date methods) was a visual feast.

[Ryuuzaki]

Here, hopefully this will stop the argument from getting bloodier, the reason they hand-drawn anime back in the day was because that was all they could do. They use computers now because it's far easier then drawing it.

[shadowmaks]

My opinian is that the older ones tend to have a better story like Saber Marionette J or the first few Gundums. The newer ones have the better, cleaner, more smooth animation, but sometimes it feels like its lacking something. I'm only taliking about a few so don't go crazy on me if you disagree.

[Kanu]

Here, hopefully this will stop the argument from getting bloodier, the reason they hand-drawn anime back in the day was because that was all they could do. They use computers now because it's far easier then drawing it.

But i like blood...

[Mugen]

I prefer the hand drawn stuff. But then...I really like the new stuff. Especially animes that are iced CGI. I guess they are both good in different ways. You can appreciate a well drawn and animated anime, but you can appreciate CGI hi-def anime. ^^

[Ryuuzaki]

But i like blood...

And I hate pointless posts. If you wanted to post something in reply, you could have at least made a statement against mine to continue the thread.

[Xunlai]

Ummmmm we advance in technology, and our anime whether we like or not is advancing too....

[spirit]

I personally like the newer style of anime then the older style. Not saying that because most of the anime I grew up with was with a newer style, but because I personally think it looks better --- [I agree, it does]. My reasons being, with stuff that is hand-drawn, it loses it's touch, where as anime that is drawn on the computer, has a much better feeling to it. With the older stuff, the detail that was put into it was amazing ---[true] for what it was, but not something that I enjoy seeing on my computer of T.V. Stuff like Black Cat, that was done with Gonzo Digimation ---[ I didn't know that!], I can watch over and over just because of the graphics, because I find that style way better then hand-drawn --- [well, regardless of what technique is being used, still all of the drawings are fundamentally done by someone/manually... the only thing that changes is the media you apply it on]. Now, the stuff that haven't been using Gonzo, I still find just as good. They have more movement and in my opinion, more emotion then, example, Gundom Wing.

With the Gundom series, again, it still works better. The movement is better since the graphics have improved. You get a lot more action and you can really feel what's going on on the screen. Not saying I don't enjoy a good old-time anime now and then, like Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z, but I do prefer the newer stuff.

nicely said, I agree with some of your points. I understand why you prefer the newest stuff, for the similar reasons I do, too.

[Kanu]

And I hate pointless posts. If you wanted to post something in reply, you could have at least made a statement against mine to continue the thread.

Ooh hooo... everyone's a critic....

Doing something because one can is a poor reason. Mediums must be required, deserved and justified in art rather than just used for the hell of it. And i think that is exactly what anime is -art. Or perhaps this is what is changing. The classics - Akira, Ghost in the Shell, Evangelion etc... - were created by true artisans that utilised the available technology to further their vision, not simply to spend the biggest budget. These days, i feel no artistic zeal when i watch an anime. Clean cut lines and colours are all so sterile - i feel nothing of the idea the artist is trying to convey.

Perhaps, however this is more to do with the overall change in the medium. Like all things, when they go into mass production they loose value. Perhaps advances in technology are facilitating a Primark Generation (Primark, anyone? Phenomena in UK of obscenely cheap, mass produced clothing) in anime. Im not saying all new anime is rubbish, i just personally feel no captivation by it.

Essentially, i wonder if this is simply a Damien Hirst vs. Carravaggio sort of argument - the products of a previous generation will always hav a certain allure - like vintage couture. Even Ouran HSHC which i love, doesnt have the same intrinsic visual appeal as Akira.

[animex09]

i grew up with the olskool style of anime but i like the newer ways the animes are being made. mostely because of the way it looks(the story has nothing to do with my opinion because i still like some of them.)

[Klard]

I don't think there's any reason to pick one over the other, when you can get the best of both worlds. The classics like Astro Boy, and the new modern like Bleach, you can enjoy everything and not have a care about which is better, because in the end you're having a good time.

I agree completely with that. Who cares! As long as you enjoy the series, does the art style really matter that much?
I personally lean more towards the old school than the new, but I enjoy both.

[VBassShred]

I like the New for the most part, but if the old has a good story im down for sure. I like the flowing-ness of the new like in Gundam 00 and Macross Frontier for example.