pepole cutting..

[kanama k.]

every day i see alot more of people always depressed and sad..
really i wouldnt know your problems or what goes on at home or anything.but it seems to me pepole are always resorting to cutting,now and days called"emo"
which is slang for emotional or whatever
i tell you what takeing your life for something that happen to you isnt the right chose.
i should know.
i never thought about it then always cutting
but i stop because one day i did,
and i thought whats next after this whats next after im done.i know it feels good to cut and get rid of the pain and not to feel.like doing drugs but better your high so high that you want to go bake to it.but when actually do cut to deep and die that question will come whats next,its okay i wanted this to happen to tell you the truth it never goes away that pain you wanted to get rid of,no it stays with you forever an ever till the end but wheres the end,is there even an end who knows i dont so tell me is it worth it haveing scars on your body,almost dieing trying to od,is it worth it
but really i still dont know
whats next?death?

[monsoon 10]

Jesus chirst son stop being so melodramatic and if your friends want a numbing sensation get them beer. It's better than watching a man parade in fishnets, with cut marks.

[Koopaking]

now when you say "cut and get rid of the pain" that statement there is an oxymoron. Cutting yourself really does nothing unless you are a masochist or really enjoy the color red. At the end of the day, crying won't solve anyone's problems. If I fall down and skin my knee, rolling around on the ground and whining won't make it any better. I stand up and go put a damn band aid on it and move on with my day.

[kanama k.]

now when you say "cut and get rid of the pain" that statement there is an oxymoron. Cutting yourself really does nothing unless you are a masochist or really enjoy the color red. At the end of the day, crying won't solve anyone's problems. If I fall down and skin my knee, rolling around on the ground and whining won't make it any better. I stand up and go put a damn band aid on it and move on with my day.

when i say this,it means wanting to die get rid of so forth killing myself would be the only way.which most pepole think, lots of pepole also think it feels good besides the point like letting all the pain fly away!

[Corwin]

I agree w/ Koopa, cutting always seemed like a really moronic idea to me, I understand the concept that pain can be pleasure, but cutting always just seemed a cop out on living life to me, if you want to sit around bitching and moaning about how bad your life is and cut yourself, that's fine, go ahead and do it, but don't waste everyone else's time w/ that crap, we are out here trying to live our lives despite bad things happening, and I'm fairly positive that the majority of these little whiny emo kids don't have anything nearly as bad in their life as the truly unfortunate, the ppl who really have stuff going on in their life bad enough to entitle them to the emo'ness, don't have the time or the energy to waste on that crap

[kanama k.]

I agree w/ Koopa, cutting always seemed like a really moronic idea to me, I understand the concept that pain can be pleasure, but cutting always just seemed a cop out on living life to me, if you want to sit around bitching and moaning about how bad your life is and cut yourself, that's fine, go ahead and do it, but don't waste everyone else's time w/ that crap, we are out here trying to live our lives despite bad things happening, and I'm fairly positive that the majority of these little whiny emo kids don't have anything nearly as bad in their life as the truly unfortunate, the ppl who really have stuff going on in their life bad enough to entitle them to the emo'ness, don't have the time or the energy to waste on that crap

true true i so agree with that.but you saying that wouldnt really change what people thought of life.if they wanted to kill them selves then theyed do it.what really makes me mad at this to "emo'is a trend .pepole do to fit in .i dont understand the point of cuting yourself to fit in i think its bull really i do.
i mean i one point i did do it but not because i wanted to fit it was more
of my life and how it affected me personly i stopped and since then which was long ago ive really grone stronger
i hate the fact that i did such a thing to myself so me trying to help othetrs is like saying sorry to myself you probly dont understand half the things im saying becuse im just blabering on...
so all i got to say is i agree

[Koopaking]

when i say this,it means wanting to die get rid of so forth killing myself would be the only way.which most pepole think, lots of pepole also think it feels good besides the point like letting all the pain fly away!

I honestly don't think any event could happen in anyone's life so that they would be able to justify trying to take their life. It is an idiotic thing to do and it will quite literally ruin one's life. Don't do something like that. Go do something constructive instead.

[analogZero]

kanama's point about the pain flying away and such is reference to the fact that when people cut themselves it releases adrenaline endorphens to the brain giving a sort of high. In effect your emotional pain is masked by physical pain, though it's a rather unsound method to deal with emotional distress. It doesn't last very long and can actually do more harm than good to you if you're in a depressed or otherwise unsound mental state.

Quick point, I suffered depression for a unloving handful of years and guess where the cure is...in you head, not in pills, or with sharp objects. people who cut could easily fit the same category as alcoholics and crackheads. They're looking for an out, and lucky them, they found one that isn't governed by a law. kudos.

ps. suicide's been done, and it's not much fun. there's more years to come and you're only bound to be in a better spot than that time you thought life wasn't worth living.

[Corwin]

I can sort of see what might want to make a person take their own life, but really at that point we're talking such traumatic events like the loss of ones entire family, and chances are ppl would make sure to be w/ you at all times specifically so you couldn't do something like that, as for my opinion not changing the fact that ppl are emo, that's no big surprise, they just haven't realized how great I am and that I'm always right about this kind of thing :p, but really it bother me more that kids these days think they are all able to fit into this pseudo-depressed emo lifestyle, I'm sorry, if you have friends, you aren't emo, if you date, you aren't emo, if you have an allowance, you aren't emo, if you live anywhere larger than a refrigerator box, you aren't emo, if you take pride in telling ppl you are emo to get their attention, then you should be slapped upside your head a few times b/c ur not emo, if you have the money to dress in pop cultures version of emo, you aren't emo and you have too much money, send it to me, stupid whiny spoiled white kids who think that b/c they are confused emotionally ambiguous frightened teenagers that they are somehow emo and not normal like every other kid in the world, them and the goths who think they are all dark and scary, like they have really had horrible things happen to them, b/c their allowance got cut off, as opposed to the kid who is living in a dumpster whose parents died, 'cuz he doesn't have it hard, it's the emo and goth kids who are really the tortured souls in this melodrama we call life

[soulten]

Well you seemed to really answer your own question at the beginning here. And by the way if you had terminal cancer and had a month to live you would probably think why let the cancer kill me, ill kill myself befor it happens. so why dont you stop being nosey accept what other people think and move on, it is none of your business.

[Corwin]

you say that, but then you complain about how we think, that seems kind of bigoted, apparently only your view matters? as for terminal cancer, if I had it, I'm going to enjoy the time I have left on this earth w/ my family and friends, I mean yes, if I had 5 years of excruciating pain, exhaustion, nausea, and chemo then yes, I might see things a little different, but even then it doesn't mean that suicide is the answer, just b/c things get hard, why is escapism the only way to go?

[leerock89]

You know what?? I don't pity anyone that does this kind of stuff. I mean seriously what is that screwed up??? WHAT?? What is so freaken bad that you can't accept life anymore??? Whenever I hear about it I get mad. They took the easy way out while I'm still here, alive, laughing crying, feeling pain and pleasure, sad happy. They are gone. What your not strong enough?? What your ugly? Fat? Stupid?? WHAT?? You know stuff like that, being all depressed, anxiety, all that stuff is all in your head. Thats right its all you. You need to step outside the box and see some real shit. See some real pain and horror. Experience how bad it really really can get. Now if you've actually been through alot, and I mean alot, like your family was brutually raped, tortured, then killed all right in front of you, went through weeks, months even years of nothing but pain and misery, betrayed by the closest to you, stuff like then you have my sympathy and my help. If you just some dumb kid or even an adult, some stuff goes wrong in your life and you can't take it anymore, then to me your lower then an ant. Your lower then the lowest because you can't face the music and see that there will be a tomorrow with or without you, and to me I'd rather see that tomorrow because no one can ever tell whats going to happen. It might get better, it might get worse. Suck it up, face forward, then move your right leg forward followed by your left. Don't try it at the same time or your going to be jumping around.

[soulten]

Why is suicide wrong? It is your life end it when you want to. and so what if only my view matters? heres a question for you if there is an easy path around a mountain or a hard pass up the mountain what would you pick? you would probably pick the easy. if you have a miserably life you could either tough it out and hope for the better, or kill yourself. i have a feeling under enough stress and a bad life nice peaceful sleep is well wanted.

[leerock89]

Ok first off if your in a rut DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Don't wallow in it and beg for help when you can't help your self. Second off stop thinking so much!!! I said this before all that depression anxiety stress is all in your head. ALL IN YOUR HEAD. If your to lazy to get your ass off the ground and move around to look for a better opportunity, then ya, go leave this world. GO!! Your wasting everyone air water and land. Be weak, give up and and leave. Its your life right? GO!

[Koopaking]

Suicide isn't "wrong" per se, I just think it is incredibly stupid. If you decide you would rather kill yourself than put up with the "hardships of life" then you are weak. So maybe suicide is a form of natural selection that is weeding the weaklings out of society. I am talking about doing it deliberately. It's something else if you just get so wasted you decide to leap off a building. The thing about "enough stress and a bad life nice peaceful sleep is well wanted" is that its not a nap. You don't wake up. And once you are dead you won't have to deal with the consequences of your actions, because you are dead. You won't have to deal with all the annoying people in life, you'll be dead. You won't ever have to worry about putting up with stress and life, you won't be living anymore. It's just an incredibly profound way to state "life got the better of me because I succumb easily to influence and pressure, I am weak".

[Ryuuzaki]

Cutting your wrists I think is just plain stupid. Theres nothing nothing that could be that bad that would make you resort that trying to take your own life. Most of these people are just over dramatic about everything that happens, and then continue to try and kill them selves. Now, I can understand being depressed and being so depressed that you almost feel like you can't live, but even that is a little overly dramatic. lol They all just need to take a breather, and start doing something that actually means something.

It being a trend now, again, just plain idiocy. Who wants to do something they don't (probably) like, just to fit in? Ok sure, we all (or at least most of us) want to fit in, but I doubt anyone would want to go as far as cutting them selves to fit in.

Most of these people that are like this (at least around here) are 15-19, they are old enough to have enough common sense to not try and kill them selves even if some really bad thing(s) happened to them.

They also don't see what they can get done, and enjoy when they're alive. They all just think, "Oh, theres nothing in this life...I'll just go kill my self" ...They could be out there like normal "kids" and have fun. Go to parties, go hang out with friends, for the love of God they could just be playing video games instead of bitching about how their life "sucks". Usually there are people who have had it worse then they are, yet they picked their heads up off the ground and made something of them selves, not slit their wrists or try to kill them selves.

So as a word of advise...DON'T DO IT!

[leerock89]

You know what it is? Its selfishness. Pure and simple.

[soulten]

Voicing your opinion is nice and all i just think we shouldent look down on these people just because we fell they are "weak", but why say they are failures for just wanting to give up, sometimes giving up is the proper thing to do.

[Corwin]

so your an advocate of suicide I take it, then why are you still bothering us? apparently the easy way to deal w/ us would be to go off and cut yourself b/c that would really show us, prove that you are right b/c we'd still be here not having to listen to you, wow, I'd feel put in my place after something like that, I don't know what I'd do, probably watch some anime and then touch myself for the hell of it, I never know b/c life can be anything you want it to be, just b/c there is an easy path around the mountain doesn't mean I'm going to take it, this world is kept alive by trailblazers, ppl who choose to take the hard road, if everyone took the easy way out the human race would have died off years ago b/c no one would want to work, no one would want to move, hell no one would want to have sex, b/c that would be too hard, I might have to work up the effort to move it in and out, all ur advocating is the human race committing mass suicide, yes it may be the individual's choice, but is that individual thinking about the consequences, I'm not talking about death, I'm talking about the emotional and financial backlash on the ppl you leave behind, even if you don't leave anyone behind you're causing a few ppl trouble, both in leaving bills behind, someone to call the police, someone to come pick up the body and investigate the death, some to be executor of your estate and so on

[Koopaking]

Voicing your opinion is nice and all i just think we shouldent look down on these people just because we fell they are "weak", but why say they are failures for just wanting to give up, sometimes giving up is the proper thing to do.

yes sometimes it is good to know your limit and to know when to give up at something. You can lose at a game and give up and go play a different game. We are all in this big game called life, and giving up at life means you can't try again.

[Corwin]

no, suicide is giving up, and that is a sign of weakness, there is nothing wrong w/ giving up when you've tried as hard as you possibly can, and still can't do anything, if someone who broke his legs trying to get up a mountain and is now paralyzed chose to quit, then he is justified, but choosing to give up on life? as long as you're still breathing there is always hope, and no reason to give up, while I don't agree w/ a lot of what psychologists thing, even I agree w/ them on the fact that suicide is just a cry for attention, if you really wanted to kill yourself these ppl would stop contacting others to tell them about it, you wouldn't set up elaborate preparations to make it look all nice or comfortable, you'd just step out into traffic, eat a gun barrel, or jump off a building or bridge, most of them just want someone to pay attention to them, to love them, even if it is under false pretenses

[soulten]

would you have a problem if i was an advocater of suicide? Even if everybody did take the easy path we would not be extinct. maybe i do cut myself, do you have a problem in how i live? first of all the trouble you cause people, first calling a ambulence is just optional you dont if you dont want too, and the others are peoples every day jobs.

[leerock89]

so your an advocate of suicide I take it, then why are you still bothering us? apparently the easy way to deal w/ us would be to go off and cut yourself b/c that would really show us, prove that you are right b/c we'd still be here not having to listen to you, wow, I'd feel put in my place after something like that, I don't know what I'd do, probably watch some anime and then touch myself for the hell of it, I never know b/c life can be anything you want it to be, just b/c there is an easy path around the mountain doesn't mean I'm going to take it, this world is kept alive by trailblazers, ppl who choose to take the hard road, if everyone took the easy way out the human race would have died off years ago b/c no one would want to work, no one would want to move, hell no one would want to have sex, b/c that would be too hard, I might have to work up the effort to move it in and out, all ur advocating is the human race committing mass suicide, yes it may be the individual's choice, but is that individual thinking about the consequences, I'm not talking about death, I'm talking about the emotional and financial backlash on the ppl you leave behind, even if you don't leave anyone behind you're causing a few ppl trouble, both in leaving bills behind, someone to call the police, someone to come pick up the body and investigate the death, some to be executor of your estate and so on

TOO FUNNY!! Lol! I totally agree. Please go. Its a nice form of population control. Your helping out everyone accept those close to you.

[leerock89]

would you have a problem if i was an advocater of suicide? Even if everybody did take the easy path we would not be extinct. maybe i do cut myself, do you have a problem in how i live? first of all the trouble you cause people, first calling a ambulence is just optional you dont if you dont want too, and the others are peoples every day jobs.

If your cutting yourself for the thrill of it then please smoke weed or learn meditaion, join a cult/religion, become a work-aholic, go on a vacation, get a hooker, do something else. Its just healthier.

[Corwin]

Let's face it, if you are contemplating cutting or suicide, then you have too much free time on your hand to bitch and moan, go get a life, if you're such an advocate of taking the easy way out then go play in traffic and after you get killed come tell us how right you are, if that's too hard for you, swing over by my place and I'll help put you out of our misery, if we look at suicide as a form of population control or natural selection then chances are you shouldn't be breeding, so go out and participate it the darwin awards, you might just win, really the idea of cutting and suicide is just a tool for attention seekers, if ppl were really serious about suicide, then they wouldn't stop to call someone to let them know what they are doing, they wouldn't write emails to a dozen ppl they know to inform them they are overdosing or slitting their wrists, they would go off somewhere that they would cause the least amount of harm to the general populace and piss off a bear or something, that way we don't have to listen to them bitch and moan and the bear gets a free meal, problem solved, and everyone's happy, especially the bear

[soulten]

What im getting out of this is i should die for letting people do what they want, and an idiot because i think taking the easy way is easier. if they are doing for attention i just am saying go ahead do it, its your choice. and from you just said you seem to be the advocater of killing yourself.

[Koopaking]

We aren't in any way preventing anyone from doing anything here. Taking the easy way is easier, maybe that's why it's called the EASY way, doy.

[Corwin]

no, I'm not advocating suicide, I'm saying that if you are such an advocate, you should go assert your right to do so and cut your wrists, b/c a stupid act like that would really show us all how wrong we are to believe it is wrong, I'm not saying that ppl's choices and actions aren't their own, I'm saying that I think the idea of suicide is a stupid one and a cheap way out of living your life like the rest of the world, maybe next I should go help a horse commit suicide b/c his life must be horrible being ridden on all the time, I want him to be able to have a choice, really, if you commit suicide as a means to an end, w/ a purpose like saving a life or lives, then while it still is essentially suicide it can be said to have served a purpose, most suicides though don't, they just tell the rest of us that you can't hack it in the real world and that we should pick up the slack or feel bad b/c your road wasn't paved in gold to personal happiness, b/c everyone else's life is so sunshine and roses that only the select few malcontents have any reason to commit suicide, like Lee said earlier, I don't have any respect for suicides who are doing it just to get out of hardship, it's a cheap move, and you really aren't making any sort of point or proving anything to anyone, now if you've had a horrible horrible life and your choices are dying of starvation over the course of a week, or going w/o food(tantamount to suicide) so that another person might eat, that I can understand and respect

[soulten]

I get the point you think suicide is stupid, but how would cutting myself show that your wrong? i am just fighting for the people thinking of suicide who arnt here. maybe all these people have is this CHEAP MOVE. maybe you could find in your heart to accept that these people think they have a horrible life and suicide is the only way out.

[Koopaking]

I get the point you think suicide is stupid, but how would cutting myself show that your wrong? i am just fighting for the people thinking of suicide who arnt here. maybe all these people have is this CHEAP MOVE. maybe you could find in your heart to accept that these people think they have a horrible life and suicide is the only way out.

Mind over matter I suppose

[Corwin]

true, they make think they have a horrible life and it is their choice, but really most of these ppl don't have a horrible life, they are a lot better off than a good number of ppl despite what they think, as for how cutting yourself would prove your point, it wouldn't, first I said commit suicide yourself to prove your point and I meant it in a sarcastic way, it wouldn't prove your point at all, suicide isn't a choice to get out of a hard life, it's just plain lazy, you could equate ppl who want to commit suicide to lemmings except the lemmings have an excuse, they don't have the mental capacity to understand they are running off that cliff to their death which is why nature provided them w/ such a capacity for breeding that it avoids the extinction of the species, but ppl have no such excuse, they know that running off that cliff will lead to their death, they just are too lazy to try and stop or turn away

[leerock89]

Like I said anyone want to do that is selfish so let them. I mean its a shame to see it happen but hey, if your that weak and you have that much time go ahead. Your cry for attention has been noted. If you want help then of course you'll get it but it has to be for the right reasons. If its just another show of attention then screw you. If you genuinely want help then yes I will help. Anyone should help. Get other peoples attention the right way, such as talking, not cutting.

[soulten]

are you refering to me? if so i have no intention of cutting myself or suicide if that is what you think. i have become bored with the constant repeating (partially my fault) of this thread so i will leave with this final statment. If you want to commit suicide i say you should go for, it just makes less people to annoy me.

[Corwin]

Another way of looking at it is that it's not the easy way out, let's face it, first you have to decide to commit suicide, then you have to figure out how you're going to do it, then you need to leave some sort of note behind explaining your actions to your loved ones, then you have to dig down deep and gather the willpower to fight the survival instinct that nature has worked for thousands of years on perfecting in us, so you can't really say it's the easy way out, and cutting is just for ppl who don't have the balls(so to speak) to go through w/ the act of suicide, ur just satisfying a death wish fantasy b/c you can't actually slit your wrists, the easy way out, would be to give up complaining and just go through life like so many other ppl, as an empty shell of a person who doesn't want to live but can't summon the courage to commit to the final act of suicide, to be honest if ur so for a person's choice, then how would you feel if someone came into your house in the middle of the night to kill you, or to rape your mother or little brother or sister, what about the Nazi's choice to genetically cleanse the Jewish people, or the North Vietnamese choice to attack and subjugate the South Vietnamese people in the Vietnam War, it's all their choice no matter if they are coming to do bad things to you and your family or to other people, the principle is the same

[Sadrith]

I have read all of the posts and I must agree with the opposing side that it is a cowerdly act and you deserve to 13e 13randed a weak insignifagant person who doesn't deserve to live on this planet if you commit suicide plus the strain you put on everyone else around you.

[Corwin]

also when you commit suicide you are just putting a strain on the rest of us, now the taxpayers have to pay for an investigation into your death to prove it is a suicide, and if you have no family we have to pay to have you cremated or interred after a suitable period of time has passed housing your body pending new evidence, and should you have a family you cause them to forfeit any life insurance they may have gotten b/c you committed suicide, so now they have the expense of paying off your bills and the several thousand dollar cost of interring your or cremating you, plus you may inadvertently send a relative or loved one into an emotionally depressive spiral causing them to want to commit suicide as well, and should you fail in the act, there is the cost of therapy, the loss of work for whichever family member or loved one has to sit suicide watch on you to make sure you don't try again, the court expenses b/c suicide is against the law, and if you are convicted the taxpayers cost in jailing you and providing for your meals, clothing, privileges and therapy, how in any way is this the easy way out, all you really do is make things harder for everyone else

[Corwin]

ok, well I think we can all agree this thread has finally gone far enough, no I'm not trying to cut anyone off from replying on the posted topic, if you want to continue the discussion, you can reach me on my msn messenger through my profile or you can pm me and I will be happy to continue ranting, but for now, this thread is closed

[Sun Tzu]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=manly_suicide

theres a few ideas for the emo's out there to start off with.

You want to know the gods honest truth? Let the bastards do it. Its not up to me to force my ideas on the opposite party. Whos to say my methods are the correct way of handling a situation. Perhaps theres a spider a freaking vampire, or whatever those useless pricks worship, that hands out gift certificates to chucky cheese whenever a kid filled with teenage angst decides to off himself. I believe it is stupid and mindless, but if you are actually contemplating cutting yourself and committing suicide then perhaps it is for the best. You obviously believe it is, without a doubt, the best solution to whatever problem you have, and I am sick of dealing with you. 2 birds with one stone, figuratively speaking. Your dead, and Im happy.

As for the growing trend of emo teenagers I offer a simply solution. Most of them are well fed, and are obviously not appreciating it. So we drop them... in all their black.... in the middle of Africa, before replacing each one with a starving Ethiopian. We get rid of the teenage dregs, and we feed a good portion of the world.

So I say to all those contemplating suicide,

Do It Pussy.