A complaint of sorts...

[Noodle72]

So, the sub-text for this section of the forum says that heated discussions shall commence here... I'm a sad panda to discover that that is not occurring at the moment.

I guess what I'm trying to say is: Someone please battle me! I would enjoy a good debate. I call Suntzu as a teammate though. That's the only catch ;)

[Sun Tzu]

So, the sub-text for this section of the forum says that heated discussions shall commence here... I'm a sad panda to discover that that is not occurring at the moment.

I guess what I'm trying to say is: Someone please battle me! I would enjoy a good debate. I call Suntzu as a teammate though. That's the only catch ;)

Aye Noodle, Tremble foes, pronounce the grounds and we shall meet thee there.

[Noodle72]

They are frightened I take it... How disheartening.

[analogZero]

a peanut is neither a pea, nor a nut...discuss!

[Noodle72]

You're doing it wrong ;)

[analogZero]

ya, sorry, I'm just down on topics at the moment.

[Noodle72]

No worries. I was thinking we could debate religion, abortion, or immigration or something... Any takers? Something interesting would be nice.

[analogZero]

what is the best form of government?
I was thinking on this the other day as a result of questioning the true ideals of "democratic" nations, ie. canada (where I live) or better yet the US. they tend to stray from what we've been taught they are, and therefore I wondered if they were any greater before, or are they to evolve into something greater. Personally, I'd say government will inevitably be faulty in any form, but perfection aside, what form of government is the most ideal?
discuss!

[Noodle72]

Technically, we're not supposed to live in a democratic society (the U.S. at least. I'm pretty sure Canada is in the same boat). We're supposed to have a constitutional republic. The founding fathers of the U.S. even said that democracy is the worst form of government. In a constitutional republic we vote for people who will represent the views of the common folk to the government. They are affectionately referred to as "representatives."

Alas, our society has degenerated into a democracy. We have mob rule. 51% of the population controls 49%. Someone once said, in fact, "In a democracy, two wolves and a sheep take a majority vote on what’s for supper, while in a constitutional republic, the wolves are forbidden on voting on what’s for supper and the sheep are well armed."

Also, we have something called the "electoral college." I'd just like to formally say:

Fuck that.

Oh, as for the perfect type of government, I'd say a democratic robocracy is best.

[analogZero]

A constitutional republic is actually a very sensible form of government...in the beginning. the idea that law rules rather than the opinion of the people is a fair means of maintaining order. however it proves faulty in the sense that law must be determined and continuously updated in order to maintain...well, order. Add in the fact that many forms of republics are scarcely in keeping with their societies true to the definition of their governing ideal. The US strayed quite far off course from it's foundation for example. But would it be fair to say that the US is a democracy, when you're becoming more and more empirical. I mean, truthfully how much sway do the people have in the navigation of their government. a handful of lobbyists of grandiose corporations seem to have far greater influence of the US then it's people do. And your government can decide what your opinions are for you after you've voted them in. Canada is much the same way, though I think America takes it to an extreme in comparison. It's far more autocratic than I think most people would say.
however, to the point of robocracy (the democratic form that is). If democracy is as faulted as made claim, then would our mechanical friends make it any more stable? Granted they wouldn't have the emotional capacity to argue back if they were in the 49th percentile.
I think that if a republic could stand on it's own two feet and survive negative influence, it would make for the most ideal governance of the people (robots can join too, but they have to play fair. no saws or tippy wedges). Anyone disagree? I was thinking there might be some stout and steadfast kira fans calling for a mighty dictator, but alas I'm to quick to post.

[Koopaking]

Best form of government is fascism because everything is done efficiently and effectively and you get a charismatic ruler who is a loose cannon and won't stop until he has the world is his grasp or die trying. Or make up a new form of government, why be restricted with types already established? How about a type of government where the power is distributed in some odd, arbitrary fashion and involves awesome robot police?
If nothing works out, then revert back to feudalism.

Also a peanut is not a pea or a nut it is classified as a legume.

[Noodle72]

A constitutional republic is actually a very sensible form of government...in the beginning. the idea that law rules rather than the opinion of the people is a fair means of maintaining order. however it proves faulty in the sense that law must be determined and continuously updated in order to maintain...well, order. Add in the fact that many forms of republics are scarcely in keeping with their societies true to the definition of their governing ideal. The US strayed quite far off course from it's foundation for example. But would it be fair to say that the US is a democracy, when you're becoming more and more empirical. I mean, truthfully how much sway do the people have in the navigation of their government. a handful of lobbyists of grandiose corporations seem to have far greater influence of the US then it's people do. And your government can decide what your opinions are for you after you've voted them in. Canada is much the same way, though I think America takes it to an extreme in comparison. It's far more autocratic than I think most people would say.
however, to the point of robocracy (the democratic form that is). If democracy is as faulted as made claim, then would our mechanical friends make it any more stable? Granted they wouldn't have the emotional capacity to argue back if they were in the 49th percentile.
I think that if a republic could stand on it's own two feet and survive negative influence, it would make for the most ideal governance of the people (robots can join too, but they have to play fair. no saws or tippy wedges). Anyone disagree? I was thinking there might be some stout and steadfast kira fans calling for a mighty dictator, but alas I'm to quick to post.

Yeah... The U.S. government is... flawed to say the least. Trust me though, most of us hate it. Which actually goes into what you said. Corperrations have more influence than us people xD

Kind of silly, huh?

[analogZero]

what if organ donors were to donate their brains to a project entailing a massive super brain that could make all decisions. Just grab all the people that are going to have the plug pulled, but instead hook their brain up so that they could just sensibly vote on important government issues. As more brains came in the system would only become more accurate in it's voting, would it not? It would eventually constitute generations of minds that could work unbiased to one another and provide unquestionable authority. If you didn't like it, you could always submit your brain to the program and you'd become an eternal judiciary! It has the "freedom" of democracy and the iron fist of a dictator. the best of both worlds! two heads are better than one, but a billion heads could easily crush all in the name of good.

[leerock89]

Yes sure like I want my brain to become part of some massive brain collective that makes decisions for the government. Sounds like the borg. Who gets to be the queen? I say the best form of gov. is anarchy. Let chaos reign. And on a side note why are noodle and sun on a team?? You two should be duking it out not scaring away everybody but the fearless, or clueless in some cases.

[analogZero]

It'd be way more dumbed down than the borg. plus you'd be in something a lot prettier than a flying cube. It would have to be gray though. the brains have spoken.
ps. noodle voted robocracy, not me.

[Noodle72]

There is no queen in the robocracy. The robots rule. That is all. We'd be slaves most likely. Or it'd be like the Matrix and we'd be harvested for energy...

Also, Sun and I are on a team because we agree on pretty much everything. It would be a boring debate.

[leerock89]

Well then I say hats off to the two telepaths who think alike! May your glorious days of thinking the same thoughts bring you both endless amounts of joy. And all hail AI.

[Nahmu]

i'm sorry noodle72, but we do not live in a republic... its more of an oligarchy, really.

you can go and call me crazy, but i think that a commonwealth wouldn't be all that bad. i doubt that the u.s. can successfully change into anything else because of how messed up it has become, but if such a government was founded on the actual need of the common good, wouldnt that be the quickest way to a political utopia?

[soulten]

democracy and everything is fine but i like the idea of a sort of dictatorship. the dictator whould have to be liked by most or voted on, and has complete rule.and if he/she goes corrupt, time for the guillotine. then anarchy reins until the cycle completes.But then some loser convinces everybody to democracy and we have the U.S.So i retract my previous statment i go with anarchy, it is the beginning and end of everything.

[Nahmu]

a dictatorship? and have a government rule people who don't give consent to be governed? sure, we have the same problem in a democracy or republic, but at least the majority is heard (even if the majority is stupid).

actually soulten, a second read of your post makes it sound like your original idea was voting in a charismatic leader and instead of impeachment, using the death penalty instead.

as for anarchy, it may work on a small scale, but it would lead to dispair, death and decay if implemented on a state level society.

[Noodle72]

i'm sorry noodle72, but we do not live in a republic... its more of an oligarchy, really.

you can go and call me crazy, but i think that a commonwealth wouldn't be all that bad. i doubt that the u.s. can successfully change into anything else because of how messed up it has become, but if such a government was founded on the actual need of the common good, wouldnt that be the quickest way to a political utopia?

Ssshhh!! You want to get assassinated?!? We're not supposed to know about the corporations who actually run the country!

[Nahmu]

Ssshhh!! You want to get assassinated?!? We're not supposed to know about the corporations who actually run the country!

its not that I want to be assassinated, but if my tiny post on the internet brought enough attention to get the government involved, then it hopefully was viewed enough by other people to bring it to their attention, to make them pay attention.

i guess that since i will have to die at some point, i might as well encourage ideas... i'm just a political martyr.

[animaniac]

animocracy haahahhaha!!! Let all people in the country watch anime 24/7 none stop till they turn to dust.......

just kidding........I'll put my real post later on if I study more bout it but democracy sounds nice.