Science or religion

[epoc]

What do you belive in... myself... Science! and melons :fruit:

[illuma]

I'm not super religious. I'm Buddhist, but i still eat meat, since i love it so. I still eat lots of vegetables and pray at temple and all that. When it comes to other religions though. Like i say how i'm better than god and if i died i could come back faster than jesus did. I'm a pretty arrogant jerk, but i know that i could never do that. No offense to any of you here thats Christian.

[Koopaking]

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[Gabrieth]

I will need to go with science. I am a man of facts not of fiction.

[KillionX6]

i am with Gabrieth Facts, not fiction....

[archangle]

i am a man of religion....science is always changing religion isn't

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[Gabrieth]

Science changes because it fills up the voids constantly religion never changes because its old and there is nothing to discover in it, its all written on paper.

[archangle]

that where u are wrong science says one thing today and another tomorrow religion on the other hand is not like that :serious::serious:

[epoc]

Science changes because it fills up the voids constantly religion never changes because its old and there is nothing to discover in it, its all written on paper.

Gabrieth is correct... and he did say that science change all the time: "Science changes because it fills up the voids constantly" it means that if we were wrong then next time we might be right about it.

Religion is just the same as 300 years ago... and how would you prove that you can de-paralyze some one just by tuching them on the forehead or something...

[archangle]

u guys are speaking like a true non believer...if u were enlightened u woundn't be saying all this

[epoc]

try to enlighten us...

[Gabrieth]

I use to be a believe until I was 16 so I have seen the two sides.
And the more I grew the less I believed. The only reason I believed in god was because I was afraid of hell. But I really don't care because the god of the Christians is said to be a god of love but to me if you read the bible he is actually a god of fear and if you don't do as he says you will be damned in hell to get #%$?* by the devils :)
I believe that all the religions got some good philosophical points but they are all oriented to the same direction. Control the population with fear.
And the bible was badly translated. Jesus says that he will be with us until the end of time but the real words are "Until the end of the age" that would be the new age the the age of Aquarius in 2150. Well if you want to know real facts about all that watch a documentary you can find here http://zeitgeistmovie.com/
It is really enlightening on how religion was used and bended.

[Missing]

I have to go with a little of both cause there's truth in both but also everythings not 100% even if they say religion is 100% they don't know that i like to believe in the sciences you need atleast 3 or more things to prove something ^-^

[KillionX6]

I just like the fact we came from monkeys hahahahahaha!!!
No seriously, If it went through how science puts it ((which I believe it did.)) We came through so much, Evolution....From Caveman to Computer...From Cave To House...From Fire to Light bulb. In every aspect we have evolved to get better. I might not be accurate but I make a good point, and in a hundred years, my great grand children will be living on some distant planet, or the moon....and earth will either be overpopulated or a desert nuclear wasteland.....

[Koopaking]

The first step to enlightenment is to strip oneself of all earthly possessions. Obviously none of us are enlightened because we have computers to access the internet, which is a material possession. Religion only causes conflict and wars. The Crusades, 9/11, the Holocaust, all caused from religious tension.

[epoc]

it will be "desert nuclear wasteland" thanks to Mr. stupid president bush... /by his off-springs off-spring

[Gabrieth]

Don't get political some people like him.

[epoc]

Well i hate politics anyway :3 i wish though that i could shoot him :mad:

[Gabrieth]

Nah killing is bad.
Doesn't mean that because of him a lot of people died that you should kill him. The best way it to avoid any form of violence and become like the hippies (With houses,take showers, have jobs, don't spread aids and sing silly songs).

[Ariya]

I'm gonna have to go with science. I never did believe in a god of any sort. I won't believe in anything unless it can be proven it's real.

[epoc]

Well Religion can be proved but not at the current time... as well for science... we really don't know if einstein were correct(example)...

[Koopaking]

True Einstein mostly only had Theories, good ones at that, but he wasn't the only scientist ever. Science has to be proven in order for it to exist, its the way we explain the world around us and how things work through observation, research, and experimentation.

[epoc]

Indeed how ever... we don't know if religion is for real or if it's fake... we can just sitt and lets the Professors do their stuff since we aren't capable of time-traveling... (the chance that we ever will be able to travel trought time is less than 0,001% my opinion... and what we have learned about the thing we call 'Time')

[Koopaking]

Time Travel is actually quite possible, and not as far away as many might think. Wormholes that fold space have been thought to be able to create time travel. And when traveling at the speed of light time goes by slower in the craft but moves at a normal pace around it thus creating time travel to the future.

[epoc]

Still i'm speaking about controlled time traveling. Then We would have to create a stable wormhole in an artifficial way. but Folding time and space(artifficaly) would make huge gravitational disturbance and would probbobly make the universe colapse onto itself, if there even just were a minor error in the procedure.

[KillionX6]

Sorry I havent been here to add, Ummm Bush = Bad, And I still think science! ((Whooo nice add Kill nice add!!))

[Gabrieth]

Science enlightens up the voids that religion created (Why do you think the churches censored the original bible and removed books that would have made them trouble?).
And Einstein might have made a lot of theories but his theories are used in our days not all of them are proven but he was a real genius even in our days no scientist even compares to him.
And time travel is possible in theory (you my give a thanks to Einstein for that one too) but I don't think that there will be a way for man to use i soon and I don't think they should.

[KillionX6]

Gabrieth makes a good point once again, as does epoc and koopaking, I feel as if the bibles we like us children these days, someone got bored...got power and made it up...

[Ariya]

One thing that really pisses me off with religion is that churches are constantly asking for money to do the work of God. Hell, let him do it himself if he really exists.

Science can be proven, religion cannot be. How do we know that Jesus really came to earth and it wasn't just made up by some guys who had no life? We don't. But science on the other hand, we can prove that dinosaurs did exist, for example. If something can't be proven and backed up with lots of information, then I won't believe. Nor if I can't see it, I will not believe it. (Air is different, though. I know it's real lol)

[epoc]

Okey... lets say that something like faith exists... then the future should already be writen and impossible to change. since the past has already accured as we know it, then the future must be fixed since the past has accured... Time is a human concept that might or might not be real however if time traveling is possible then with the knowlage we have at the moment why can't we predict the future, since we can predict simple things like how water levels are changing. If now Time Traveling was possible then it woulden't be trought time... every choice we make might be creating new alternetive dimentions wich we move between thanks to wicth choice we make, it would probbobly be between these dimentions that exist becuse we chose to sleep one minute longer. and also the amount of energy needed to cross time or dimentions would be far to great for any of our present power-sources.

[Missing]

Okey... lets say that something like faith exists... then the future should already be writen and impossible to change. since the past has already accured as we know it, then the future must be fixed since the past has accured... Time is a human concept that might or might not be real however if time traveling is possible then with the knowlage we have at the moment why can't we predict the future, since we can predict simple things like how water levels are changing. If now Time Traveling was possible then it woulden't be trought time... every choice we make might be creating new alternetive dimentions wich we move between thanks to wicth choice we make, it would probbobly be between these dimentions that exist becuse we chose to sleep one minute longer. and also the amount of energy needed to cross time or dimentions would be far to great for any of our present power-sources.

:dizzy: i'm lost haha i was half way thought then i lost my way now i'm stuck in a maze of confusion haha

[epoc]

that's fine xD i was half-awake when i wrote that xD but i do understand it without a problem xD

[Crymson]

Let me throw something into your faith bashing thread for you. I have the opposite path of Gabrieth, I was an atheist until I was like 16. at that point in my life I came to the point at which it wasn't worth living, I either had to go through with suicide, or admit that God was real.

Now, I will admit that there have been many terrible things done in the name of religion, but the same can be said of science (look at some of the things the Nazi's and the USSR did in the name of 'science'). I will also admit that there are a lot of people who look at religion as one more form of insurance. and that there are people who abuse their position within religion, just like people in other positions of power, however, that is not the fault of religion, but people. remember the old quote: "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely..."

[Jsj222]

ypu cant really says whats real or not, thats what makes life so interesting, live for the unexpected and unknown and strive to know more

[leerock89]

hhmm.. religion or science?? which one?? well i was raised in a strong christain family so for the beginning part of my life i believed in christ and wat not. thats all there was for me. and then came the day when i found a certain something that opened my eyes to the world. now i'm not a christain but i do believe in a higher power whatever that is. and how can u deny science. u see it in every faucet of human life, everything from physics of a car rolling down a hill to the chemistry of cooking, from a hand watch to a computer, the air u breath and the colors u see, its everywhere. and becuase of our current state of technology and science we will soon be able to do things that even christ did. and religion is actually a good idea. helps structure a community, gives something for people to believe in and and build stability and happiness. because of breakthroughs in science we can live healther and cleanier lives. both i think are just tools for human use. its the user who decides whether to use it for the good of mankind or to hurt mankind.

[Crymson]

There is this strange idea floating around out there that science and religion are opposites, when they are not. they do not explain the same things. science tries explains the 'hows' of existence, religion tries to explain the 'whys' of existence. Or, at least thats my take. Being a Christian does not somehow make me anti-science. I find genetics fascinating, and quantum mechanics strange and very hard to believe (Before you say God is hard to believe in read up on quantum theory, now THAT takes faith).

[leerock89]

haha yea it does require a certain type of stamina to even comprehend. but i would say that "how" and "why" are pretty much the same thing becuase u cant have one without the other. and i also agree with the opposite idea running around only because whenever ive found polar opposites in anything, and i mean anything, there was always one thing, no matter how far off subject it is, that binded them together like a coin with two faces.

[Crymson]

good call.

[Sun Tzu]

Science has always held sway with me. Can't quite trust something that can't prove its own existence, or be dis proven. To me the belief in a higher power is nothing more than the pitiful and half assed attempts at answering the questions of the universe. The belief in a higher power stops many major questions from being answered, and when the determined few finally figure out the truth, it retreats further. It is the very embodiment of ignorance.

This is possibly an overly radical stance to take, and there are proper ways to follow belief. If belief that there is something out there watching over you is what you view as truth, then great. But when people start deferring their answers to their faith, or start criticizing others for their faith, then that is the moment it goes too far.

Perhaps the previous couple of paragraphs make me a hypocrite, but you asked me what I believe in and I told you.

[Gabrieth]

I cant believe you guys. You say only the Nazi and Urss did horible thing in the name of science. Don't forget the Americans. They only really bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki because they wanted to test the a-bomb and put fear in the enemies heads.
They knew how destructive it was, they where not close to losing (Pearl harbor was not that essential and 70% of the stationed fleet wasn't there) they just wanted to test it out.
Stop seeing the USA as the image of good they are evil like all governments none of them are good and have atrocities. But there are much more people that died in the name of religion. Science didn't exist 7000 years ago but religion did way before that and has been causing wars.
And Crymson science is based on facts religion on paper written by men.
Science is like 2+2=4 you cant say I am wrong because if you do then ... you know what I mean :)
While religion is just words said by one or a few men that others believe. And after believing for a while it becomes a habit it's just like believing in santa. You can believe as long as it is not prouven ridiculous but as soon as it is then you stop (In the Santa case that will be when the other children start mocking you). It is not to say be religion is slowly disappearing and more and more people see it as fake and just an escuse or spiritual insurance (Yes like a car insurance but for after life all out of fear because religion is fear).

[leerock89]

i dont know about that. science has been around before us humans were around. if ever a fire was started by lightning, thats science. if a noise starts an avalanche rolling down hill, thats science. when two cells form together to make a new cell thats science. when a tree falls down from being to old, thats science. 1+1=2 is math which is only a part of science. religion, i believe was frist started out to answer the questions that the science of the day could not explain. and the study of religion could be considered a science as well. wat it all boils down to is perception, knowledge and the ability to act on the knowledge. whether you are a person of science or a person of faith all that matters to you is wat you believe in and to follow that road without wavering.

[Crymson]

edit: Leelrock hadn't posted when I started. sorry if I re-cover anything.

You've never read anything I've said on the US. the US is not a saintly country and no country (or human being) is infallible, or always good.

let me rant for a minute: do you're homework before you start making radical claims. read up on the expected dead from a land invasion of Japan. millions, on both sides. I cant say for certain, but I don't think that the number killed in the blast or from the after effects (fallout, etc) are as high. or consider that the USSR would probably have demanded that Japan (like Germany) be divided into control groups.

and Science has always existed, just not in the deified sense of "Science" that people in the West hold today. the Romans had science, hell, the Sumerians had science when they invented the wheel.

I would guess you're from Europe. and for you to say Religion is disappearing in Europe might be true, I just don't know. however, at least in America, something like 90% of people claim some sort of religious belief. I would hardly call that disappearing.

[leerock89]

yea america has a STRONG religious community. even though its mostly christian/catholic it still goes on strong. and look at the mormons comming up in america. so many mormons are in big bussiness its not even funny. and all of them are strong believers.

[Crymson]

so your saying in ten years all those Jew jokes will be Mormon jokes...::D:

[leerock89]

lmao!!! well were gonna have to see if they take over the medical and entertainment industry first. otherwise i think the jew jokes are gonna be around for while (no offense to any jews reading this)

[Sun Tzu]

what are you talking about? In the name of science? Now dont get me wrong the US government is all types of evil, but blaming science for the fact that we set of the two atomic bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki is just ridiculous. If you are going to blame anyone blame man kind for starting the terrible war to begin with. I hate to bring this up, because Im not sure if its correct, but the Japanese pledged to never surrender. If we would have stormed their home islands alot of Americans would have died. Again you won't catch me being patriotic but you have to remember the objective of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his. U.S was simply fulfilling this objective.

In addition you can't claim that only bad things came from the dropping of the two bombs. Once we learned the effects of this terrible atrocity we became extrordinarily aware of what might happen if we dropped another, most likely preventing a future and worse occurance. I suppose what Im trying to say here is, better it happened when the atomic bomb was first invented than 10-20 years later when there were many more, placed in a ICBM and vastly more powerful.

In addition from the information that we gained from developing this weapon, has spurred a burst of research leading to a new source of energy that could possibly replace gasoline or coal as our principle energy source.

The difference between science and religon is that in science good things are developed from the bad. While in religon only bad things come from bad.

Besides you gotta admit watching the explosion had to be pretty, before it fried your retinas.

[Sun Tzu]

I would guess you're from Europe. and for you to say Religion is disappearing in Europe might be true, I just don't know. however, at least in America, something like 90% of people claim some sort of religious belief. I would hardly call that disappearing.

I disagree, maybe its just the optimist in me but with the exception of some parts of the United States, religon is in a vast decline here as well. Most of the people that say they believe in one thing or another are simply parroting their parents, or seeking acceptance from a certain group.

[Crymson]

I can't read minds Sun Tzu, only polls. I think what you will find, however, (I have) is that the most vocal people are the atheists. Most people who are religious are comfortable with that fact and have nothing to prove. I know that last statement kinda sounds insulting, but I'm not trying to be rude

[illuma]

No one intends to be rude but it happens anyway. Also it is true that most people who truly have religion don't have to prove anything, but i know alot of vocal people that are religious. I too am religious, but i find that it sometimes is a waste of time.

[Crymson]

I hear ya'

[RetroRob70]

well for me, im religious. im comfertable in the fact that i believe in god and that christ died for me. i see what everyone else is saying and to some extent i understand it all. the part that keeps me from from truning away from religion is that i have seen what its like to live my life without god. I know how alone i felt no matter who many people i surrounded my self with no matter what habits i picked up to try to fill the void that was inside me i was never whole or complete.

[monsoon 10]

Science, I just don't feel comfortable talking to everybody's useless imaginary friend.

[analogZero]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjGkRFFBd0A&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_E0vfP79yE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyXIeB1qI6w&feature=related

here's a portion of the zeitgeist movie that was mentioned. It makes some very interesting and/or relavent points about religions over the course of human history, and in fact you could say that religion itself has simply evolved. fun idea, hehe.

I suppose I could say I'm spiritual. not in a crystal carrying, hippy, let's all praise mother earth kinda way, but rather that I'm not disbelieving the existance of something greater than myself (so far, very little physical evidence, haha). Science is, in my opinion, a faulty practice. in definition it's the study of knowledge, and it's governed by mankind. how often can you say you trust the judgement of all mankind? sure we've made some serious discoveries, but the majority of advanced science is based on theory. What's theory again, class? broken down, it's something we say is true, but can't fully prove...sound like the definition of religion?
Enlightenment is probably the most interesting concept for me. Several religions believe in the pursuit of some form of nirvana, the attainment of something beyond themselves that is often achieved through their own practice, and not through the worship of a potential god. I'd prefer to think that it'd be better to find something amazing on my own, rather than to have someone give me a set of rules and guides to get me on my way. Kindergarten was fun though, I loved the sandbox.
and by strange coincidence I read this story the other day that sorta rang super true with me, so if you're in the book store, check out j.d. salinger's nine stories. the last story, called 'teddy' is pretty cool. also if you like ghost in the shell: sac, the laughing man story's in there too :{D

[DocHack]

i go with science b/c im not really into religion

[Shigami]

I think that science and religion are almost the same.
Religion was created by human's in ancient times,since they lacked information about the world.
Science was also created by human's,But this time it explain's everything one by one.It doesn't have it's base on a mystery Living-being so called "God" just like Religion does.Everything that science states,is explained clearly.
Now from the above,I would normally go for science..but since i'm also a human-being,and curiosity is one of my main weakness..i won't deny any of them,and i'd rather accept them both.In other word's,i would believe in "God" but i wouldn't sacrifise my own son just because i heard a voice that told me so.

[analogZero]

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kakashi! for real!? now I don't know what to think.

[tripletres]

this is the way i see it: God made everything, from earth to man. he intended us to solve the puzzles of the world, and we do that by using science.

[Raven]

If you are truly interested (I would like to send a special recommendation to Sun Tzu), read the book; Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis. It explains the Christian faith from a completely logical point of view without all the "The bible says" crap.

Gabrieth, sounds like you may have been Catholic? I don't know, but I have to disagree with your claim that the Bible preaches a "god of fear". I'm curious to know, what gave you that impression?

analogZero just took the words right out of my mouth; all of our science is based on theory, we don't even know if it is right, but it works well enough... in our solar system. In the same way we may not be able to prove a religion correct, but so far it has worked well enough.

Also, I would have to say science has killed far more than religion. How much of science is devoted to killing people? Quite a bit. I have a lot of respect for ancient China. They had developed guns far before their European counterparts, but guns didn't fir their culture, they defied their moral code and were destroyed. But thanks to science, we now have highly developed weaponry that is also being used by religious radicals to kill more... what a team...

[Sinistar]

Science FTW you cant prove religion you just have to believe what you think is there is really there. I like things that have proof of existince. ya know

[Russkie]

Проклятый, Вы парни делают меня настолько сердитым!!! Ваше невежество - слишком много для меня, чтобы обращаться!!!

I'm not even translating that, very bad things... Gah, why do you people bring this stuff up?!

Dangit! Must - kill - all!

[soulten]

i believe in the Force. but only to a certain point than science. so i am half.

[Ryuuzaki]

Well Russkie I can't translate it fully though I get the gist of it.

I say science. Like Sinister said theres no way to prove religion. I know, "Theres always the Holy Bible!" Yes thats true, but is there any proof all of that is true and not just some pranksters joke or something? Not that I know of. I'm not very religious myself, so I'm fine with thinking all of that. :D

[Koopaking]

Rough - "Curse you guys make me so angry! Your ignorance - too much for me to apply!"

How are we ignorant? What arrogance.

[Russkie]

Well Russkie I can't translate it fully though I get the gist of it.

I say science. Like Sinister said theres no way to prove religion. I know, "Theres always the Holy Bible!" Yes thats true, but is there any proof all of that is true and not just some pranksters joke or something? Not that I know of. I'm not very religious myself, so I'm fine with thinking all of that. :D

-cries- buy whyyy does everything need to be proven right away or its not true? I am not saying that, if I were living a lie, I wouldnt care... I am asking why its so hard to believe that there is a God?

Raven was right about science guessing alot (I think he said that). We know alot about atoms, how they work, and what they do. But we dont know for a FACT that they are really what make things up. The only reason why we teach about "the atom" is because thats what we have hypothisized over the many years of asking questions, and gradualy its become scientific law. But laws can still be proved wrong, mind you. I learned that in chemistry this year btw.

I wont say what religion I am, but I will say both science and religion have their pros and cons.

[Russkie]

Rough - "Curse you guys make me so angry! Your ignorance - too much for me to apply!"

How are we ignorant? What arrogance.

now what did you go and do that for? Thats not fun.

[Koopaking]

I think it's hard to believe in a God because if I pray that I want a hovercar, I don't get any damn hovercars.

[Russkie]

I think it's hard to believe in a God because if I pray that I want a hovercar, I don't get any damn hovercars.

Praying for (what some people may call) selfish things wont really get you anywhere.

[soulten]

so if its not selfish it may happen?

[klint_456]

hey for you guys who likes to read books. try reading the novel of dan brown (da vinci code and angels and deamon) maybe it would be best to go with both...... science and religion should work together insted of going on conflicts with each other ^^

[Russkie]

so if its not selfish it may happen?

I never said that, what wrong with you?

[Koopaking]

If my best friend's foot gets gnawed off by a beaver, and I wish for him to grow a new foot, he won't grow a new foot. That's not a selfish wish.

[Russkie]

If my best friend's foot gets gnawed off by a beaver, and I wish for him to grow a new foot, he won't grow a new foot. That's not a selfish wish.

So are you praying or wishing? I believe in a God, not a Genie.

[Koopaking]

In order to have a genie, you need a lamp, and he only grants three wishes.

[klint_456]

In order to have a genie, you need a lamp, and he only grants three wishes.


lolz, but if you free it....it may grant all your wishes ::D:

[Koopaking]

no way if you free it, he goes on vacation and leaves you hanging until Jafar's Return... that blue bastard...

[klint_456]

lol that might happen

[Sinistar]

Religion was just created to help people live there lives a lil easier. I am thankful for religion because it give people peace of mind and keeps them on the right path. I just choose not follow it.

[Omedetou]

This is an Epic debate I enjoy reading about but would dare not enter an opinion.

[Lord Kira]

But religion not only gives peaces it cause death and cults that plan to kill themselves and the same goes for science

[klint_456]

But religion not only gives peaces it cause death and cults that plan to kill themselves and the same goes for science

are you sure about that??:oo:

[Sinistar]

I have a question does anyone think the world would be a better place without religion?

[Lord Kira]

if everybody believed in it it would be

[spirit]

lol, there's lots of new threads today! tho I don't feel like replying to any of them... especially the "science vs religion" one... most of the ppl say "I believe in facts/ I want to know facts" - however... a fact isn't really an axiom to stand on. Any Fact in any scientific book can be debated... and subvert! Facts are nothing more than someone's opinions... Like for example we used to be taught that we have a certain amount of planets... when nowadays the scientists modified those "facts" by saying that Pluto of our solar system is not a planet, but just "blue body". And just today I've heard on TV that Poland has discovered another planet in the Universe, like "Earth" tho it's 3 times smaller (which now subverts the idea of god, and us ppl being the only life beings created by the god, pff... cause if theres a planet alike earth there might be other life beings. In bible the earth was one and only, one of the kind, and now what?)
Yesterday, a group of tourists have discovered in Brazil, some tribal ppl living like some primates, hidden somewhere near the Amazon. And when they noticed the helicopter they tried to shoot it with some spears! (I found this interesting)
I mean... what facts? There are no facts, only ppl's opinions that may or may not change through out the time....

[Koopaking]

I think it would be a much much better place without it, as it causes too much conflict. That or if everyone in the world was the SAME religion. But then there STILL would be conflict, but yeah, better off without it.

[animaniac]

Well I haven't chosen a side yet but my point would be........

we are only humans....why do we believe God? because we're human. Why did scientist make weapons of war? because their human. Why do we wage war against other countries and test out these weapons? because we're human. Why did the Church take away books from the bible for us not to read? because their human. Why do we debate on this? because we're human. and so on and so forth.

Religion: In the bible the people who need the evidence before giving their trust and belief we're given examples. Like how Jesus came back and this disciple of all people didn't believe until he saw and touched His wounds. There is nothing to lose in believing. Then the case of lives lost cause of religion is what I believe squalls amongst the different religions like in old times. How the Philistines and the Israelites fought and how God would help the Israelites cause they believe. How He sent out the prophets to give them hope when they left him and He them when they worshiped some other idol or god when they have already vowed to worship God and God alone, and were beaten and made slaves by empires far greater than them.

Science: Though I only thought of science as a mere subject in school that I require to complete, I cannot deny the comforts it has brought me. Then I read a book and see about these weapons like the atomic bombs used on Japan and the Nuclear bomb that are now not to be used. And this new thing Hydro bomb which they say is more powerful but "environment friendly" as I heard. Then I thought of how it would feel to die cause you were a Guinea Pig in the name of science. I would then think why the scientist made that. I would sometimes get to the conclusion that it was cause of war.

Now what did we want to achieve in doing this things? believing God and Science?

Then comes the word "perfect". We know very well we are not perfect, but of course the desire to be perfect pushed us to do something......achieve God's favor by believing in him so much or Create something that you would think that would make you perfect?

Then we start the delusion to be the king or the best amongst the rest . You start discrimination you start stepping down on others involuntarily making yourself more imperfect. Now what will happen if a group does this? Yes the group I'm referring to is called a country. and this group discriminates and steps down on this other country. and then comes war. (of course I'm not saying that it's only cause of that.)

We do all these cause we are human. We may at times need others or stand by our selves. We may be right but we can never take away the fact that we may be wrong. Our wrongs can be a very small loss or a very big one. So their it is very normal for us to make a mistake.

PS What am I talking about.....maybe I forgot some points.....wait I'll review my essay and put it in but I believe that this is very related to the topic.

[Omedetou]

Oh My God! Animaniac really posted it! ... Omedetou!

[Koopaking]

I call shenanigans on that, animaniac.
I do not believe you are capable of thinking something like that up yourself, or putting it so eloquently.

[animaniac]

believe it or not I may have somethings up my sleeve and that my folks that koopa said is an example of discrimination for me.

[Koopaking]

"Discriminate - To make decisions based on prejudice."

"Prejudice - An adverse judgment or opinion formed beforehand or without knowledge of the facts; Any preconceived opinion or feeling, whether positive or negative."

It was not discrimination. It was not a decision, I merely stated what I thought, and it was not draw without knowledge of "facts" or with preconceived opinions.

Get your own facts straight before you slander

[animaniac]

well you really didn't know the facts.....I wrote that myself and all by myself....plus I said "for me".

[Koopaking]

I said what I thought. And the "facts" are that until now you haven't shown the aptitude to think past an elementary level. So I think you are a phony.

[Acid Angel]

I don't see it as a valid question. Science and religion weren't designed to contradict eachother, so choosing one would be like choosing between a hippo and a melon.

[Koopaking]

I don't see it as a valid question. Science and religion weren't designed to contradict eachother, so choosing one would be like choosing between a hippo and a melon.

ah but a hippo can devour or sit on the melon, thus destroying it.

[soulten]

maybe they werent designed to, but do.

[Acid Angel]

Nonsense, both can coincide just fine, I can say science is correct about somethings, but not even science has the audacity to claim to know everything, thats usually where I pick up religion.

And a melon could SO choke a hippo. ( >_>)

[soulten]

so if niether have the answer then what?

[Koopaking]

so if niether have the answer then what?

then you Google it.

[Acid Angel]

Actually, Google Fight (http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Religion&word2=Science) Says Science wins.

[soulten]

but if google nor religion nor science have the answer are we screwed?

[Koopaking]

Then you ask Jeeves.

[soulten]

If i add Ask Jeeves will you then reply Yahoo or etc.

[Koopaking]

no after that, you flip a coin, or play Rock Paper Scissors and just guess a random answer. This is how most major political decisions are made.

[soulten]

I still have much to learn it seems.

[monsoon 10]

Nonsense, both can coincide just fine, I can say science is correct about somethings, but not even science has the audacity to claim to know everything, thats usually where I pick up religion.

And a melon could SO choke a hippo. ( >_>)

The hippo would crush your tiny melon with his powerful mouth.

[leerock89]

Meng why is this thread even going on?? Everyone know that I am God and I don't remember starting up some stupid religion.

[Shigami]

I don't like to use my brain too much so i would just say the following.
You can have three beliefs in life.
First,you can believe that a High intelligent being so called God,created everything,from tiny atoms to the huge Universe,Thus he Always existed.
Second theory could be,that everything came from nothing since Universe was created by iteself,furthermore it was created by nothing since it didn't exist in the first place.

Which one are you going to follow?

Either Something always existed and with the power to create the universe.
OR
Everything came from nothing.
(Third option is that Universe was created by Suzumiya Haruhi's imagination and will)
In my opinion,God's 'eternal' existance is just as possible,no,impossible would be better word for it,as nothing creates matter.

*Edit.Analogzero,i edited it,since i meant everything came from nothing,and not nothing created nothing,but i guess you have already guessed.

[Dark Zeik]

I personally go with science. IMO religion is only around to explain what science cant.

[analogZero]

K, I saw a few bits of science darkspots that need some light.


We know alot about atoms, how they work, and what they do. But we dont know for a FACT that they are really what make things up. The only reason why we teach about "the atom" is because thats what we have hypothisized over the many years of asking questions, and gradualy its become scientific law.

actually it is possible to SEE atoms with powerful electron microscopes. True, they are much different then what niels bohr first hypothesized, but we must walk paths to find our destination, much as the follower of god must walk his or her path to find him/her/it.


a fact isn't really an axiom to stand on. Any Fact in any scientific book can be debated... and subvert! Facts are nothing more than someone's opinions...
I mean... what facts? There are no facts, only ppl's opinions that may or may not change through out the time....

There are in fact facts. It is true that scientist (and people in general *cough* politicians *cough*) have a tough time amongst themselves trying to settle on their decisions. but a true fact connot be negated. you may say that red is green, and I could agree along with everyone else and we could go about our day. BUT saying red is green doesn't change the wavelength of that particular part of the spectrum. Saying that pluto is a blue body rather than a planet doesn't alter it's physical make up, it's simply the fault of communication, not opinion. If a child went to the zoo and was the only one there to see the animals, who would that child turn to to ask "what's that"?





Something always existed and with the power to create the universe.
OR
Nothing Created Nothing.


this shines on a wonderful point. are we an accident, or god's whim. God does exist as nothing and everything though, so he can be both. and the scientific determination of the creation of the universe isn't exactly nothing creating nothing, but more a freak unfathomably improbable occurance. It could've been a transformation of insurmountable energy converting into matter through an utterly humungous explosion that strethed out into an immeasurable void, though perhaps it was a spontaneous product of god. Or maybe god is that void? how long did god kill time before he decided to create the universe though is my question.



Anyhow it's more than possible for science and religion to exist harmoniously, being that science is simply our attempt to understand all that god has created. perhaps the universe is the result of god playing with a holy hand grenade. perhaps evolution was designed to allow for the improvement and survival of the humanity that was to come. perhaps god wants you to marvel in what he created. What better reason to praise him.
we can all be wrong, but if we don't try to investigate further and furhter, we'll never know.

[Koopaking]

You all bring up great points about science and religion. Doctor Emmett Brown invented a device called a flux capacitor. If we can somehow build our own flux capacitors, we can go back in time and see for ourselves what brought about the existence of life. Who knows, what if life was created when a group of people from the year 2700 went back in time to witness the creation of life, and they decided to stay and start it themselves?

[Raven]

That or we could just go to the restaurant at the end of the universe...

[monsoon 10]

I'm not hungry!

[Shigami]

this shines on a wonderful point. are we an accident, or god's whim. God does exist as nothing and everything though, so he can be both. and the scientific determination of the creation of the universe isn't exactly nothing creating nothing, but more a freak unfathomably improbable occurance. It could've been a transformation of insurmountable energy converting into matter through an utterly humungous explosion that strethed out into an immeasurable void, though perhaps it was a spontaneous product of god. Or maybe god is that void?how long did god kill time before he decided to create the universe though is my question.

Yeah,but here is the question.The huge explosion so called "Big Bang",occured After Universe creation and therefore planet's and most likely the consisting of one cell organisms already existed at that time.Which basicly points out that 'the creation of everything' had already happened Before big bang get's to transform energy into matter.

Now that i think about it,i remember reading an article about Heaven,and life after death in general.Here is what i can remember for now.
Think about life after death
When the bacterium dies, does it get an afterlife?

There are not many people in the Europe who believe that bacteria go to heaven. The Bible does not talk about heaven being filled with all the disease, putrefaction and pestilence that bacteria cause. And what, exactly, would go to heaven? Do all of the bacterium's molecules get transported to another dimension so that they can keep reacting? If that were happening, there would be thousands of tons of chemicals leaving earth every day. Clearly there is no afterlife for bacteria cells.

What about mosquitoes? A mosquito is much more complex than a bacterium cell. For one thing, a mosquito is a multi-cellular insect with amazing capabilities. But if you look at each cell in a mosquito, it is very much like a bacterium in its basic functioning.

Do mosquitoes get an afterlife? Clearly not. Think of how many mosquitoes have lived and died over the course of millions of years. No one imagines heaven being full of septillions of everlasting mosquitoes. There is also the problem that we saw with bacteria -- the only way for a mosquito to go to heaven would be to somehow transport all the chemicals in a mosquito from earth to heaven.

What about mice? They are no different from mosquitoes. Mice are multicellular organisms, but each cell is a little chemical factory very much like a bacterium. Dogs? Ditto. Chimps? Ditto.

So what about humans?

The human body is nothing but a set of chemical reactions. The chemical reactions powering a human life are no different from the reactions powering the life of a bacterium, a mosquito, a mouse, a dog or a chimp. When a human being dies, the chemical reactions stop. There is no "soul" mixed in with the chemicals, just like there is no soul in a bacterium, a mosquito, a mouse, a dog or a chimp. Why would there be an afterlife for the chemicals that make up a human body?

[alsharid]

Science is the thing that will prove religion is right. I don't know about other religions, but for my religion we search for scientific facts that will let us know why our God told us to do this and not that and we are really making progress, actually thx to the americans and europeans our religion is starting to seem more right.

[arcose]

ill give u this to think about did religion make this site or did it make anime or the cures for illneses dose it make your lights tern on dose it make your car go no is the anser religion is stuped shit the small minded people that worship god are small minded ideots they just dont wont to have to make choses for them selves so they let ther imaganery freind do it for them god is a joke and i dont care who the hell dont like me for saying this

[analogZero]

There is no "soul" mixed in with the chemicals, just like there is no soul in a bacterium, a mosquito, a mouse, a dog or a chimp. Why would there be an afterlife for the chemicals that make up a human body?

I remember when I was younger in a smaller city, and my friends and I would skateboard downtown and chill out and such, and every friday there were these christian activists that would come downtown and try to convert all the heathenous drinkers out partying. More often than not we'd end up getting into conversations and debates about the oddities of the christian faith and as a matter of fact I remember bringing up the topic of why not animals and only humans can enter the kingdom of heaven. I was given what was then an obscure reference that "the lion will lay down with the lamb". I later came to realize (after he wouldn't explain it to me) that this reference bares little meaning to what I asked him. I think I got the brush off, haha. But in my later years, this became a very disturbing quality to the christian faith in my opinion. That there's the capacity for love, but only for human life. There are many religions that take the worship of animals quite seriously. Hinduism comes straight to mind. But It's always left a bit of a gap to me that many practices of faith consider all other beings inferior and unworthy. "sorry fido, you're super cool and all, but you don't have a soul! so you're gonna have to f*ck off, K! good boooy!"


religion is stuped shit the small minded people that worship god are small minded ideots they just dont wont to have to make choses for them selves so they let ther imaganery freind do it for them

I hope everybody notices the direct correlation between the reference in this statement about god to that of government. This is how I feel about the political world every single day it seems. small minded people who don't want to make choices or take responsibility so they let somebody else do it. the political figures just aren't imaginary and don't require my presence during sunday sleep in time.

[Koopaking]

That's why they made that cartoon, All Dogs go to Heaven, to try and convince kids that they care about dogs too, but they don't really.

[alsharid]

Yeah,but here is the question.The huge explosion so called "Big Bang",occured After Universe creation and therefore planet's and most likely the consisting of one cell organisms already existed at that time.Which basicly points out that 'the creation of everything' had already happened Before big bang get's to transform energy into matter.

Now that i think about it,i remember reading an article about Heaven,and life after death in general.Here is what i can remember for now.
Think about life after death
When the bacterium dies, does it get an afterlife?

There are not many people in the Europe who believe that bacteria go to heaven. The Bible does not talk about heaven being filled with all the disease, putrefaction and pestilence that bacteria cause. And what, exactly, would go to heaven? Do all of the bacterium's molecules get transported to another dimension so that they can keep reacting? If that were happening, there would be thousands of tons of chemicals leaving earth every day. Clearly there is no afterlife for bacteria cells.

What about mosquitoes? A mosquito is much more complex than a bacterium cell. For one thing, a mosquito is a multi-cellular insect with amazing capabilities. But if you look at each cell in a mosquito, it is very much like a bacterium in its basic functioning.

Do mosquitoes get an afterlife? Clearly not. Think of how many mosquitoes have lived and died over the course of millions of years. No one imagines heaven being full of septillions of everlasting mosquitoes. There is also the problem that we saw with bacteria -- the only way for a mosquito to go to heaven would be to somehow transport all the chemicals in a mosquito from earth to heaven.

What about mice? They are no different from mosquitoes. Mice are multicellular organisms, but each cell is a little chemical factory very much like a bacterium. Dogs? Ditto. Chimps? Ditto.

So what about humans?

The human body is nothing but a set of chemical reactions. The chemical reactions powering a human life are no different from the reactions powering the life of a bacterium, a mosquito, a mouse, a dog or a chimp. When a human being dies, the chemical reactions stop. There is no "soul" mixed in with the chemicals, just like there is no soul in a bacterium, a mosquito, a mouse, a dog or a chimp. Why would there be an afterlife for the chemicals that make up a human body?


Humans are superior beings, we unlike animals will enter heaven and hell. The animals will be recreated and the lamb will eat the fox like the fox ate the lamb and then they will die altogether.

ill give u this to think about did religion make this site or did it make anime or the cures for illneses dose it make your lights tern on dose it make your car go no is the anser religion is stuped shit the small minded people that worship god are small minded ideots they just dont wont to have to make choses for them selves so they let ther imaganery freind do it for them god is a joke and i dont care who the hell dont like me for saying this


Why do muslims pray towards the Kaaba at Meccah? They pray in that direction becuase all the electric energy that humans gain while doing every day things will go there becuase Mecca is approximately in the center of the earth so pointing towards 5-10 times a day will make a human have a better body(This is scientifically proven)
The big bang is mentioned in the Quraan.
Quraan explains gravity and other scientific stuff, why do you think arabs and muslims in general were lords of algebra and other related stuff, Jaber bin Hayyan is considered father of chemistry. Al Zahrawi is called The Father of Modern Surgery. For more stuff go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_science_and_technology_in_the_Islamic_ world#7th_century

Why did we start to know so much after Islam appeared?? I laugh at the scientists that are under the mountains of the alps becuase they are trying so hard to find the meaning of life although the book that tells us the meaning of life has been with us since 610 AD.

[Koopaking]

isn't the center of the earth actually a hot mass of solid metal that no one is able to reach?

[alsharid]

isn't the center of the earth actually a hot mass of solid metal that no one is able to reach?

center of the earth's surface, I mean if you look at it in a world map, it is in the center.

[analogZero]

center of the earth's surface, I mean if you look at it in a world map, it is in the center.

it's close. the center's just south of nigeria actually. in the ocean. But it's kinda cool that the scientific origin of man is in africa, which is where the the "centre" of the surface of the planet is. totally tubular! but of course according to science the earth's surface has been shifting all over, so maybe the origin's now in russia or something.

[Shigami]

[QUOTE=alsharid;27392]Humans are superior beings, we unlike animals will enter heaven and hell. The animals will be recreated and the lamb will eat the fox like the fox ate the lamb and then they will die altogether.

So you are saying that animal's unlike human's go to heaven because they lack intelligence?
From what i know so far,intelligence have nothing to do with religion,since heaven is a part of religion itself.

[milo]

i do not really know I am religous I mean my family owns and runs a chruch my grandmother and mom are both ministors!:dead::beaten:

[monsoon 10]

it's close. the center's just south of nigeria actually. in the ocean. But it's kinda cool that the scientific origin of man is in africa, which is where the the "centre" of the surface of the planet is. totally tubular! but of course according to science the earth's surface has been shifting all over, so maybe the origin's now in russia or something.

There is no center on the surface of the earth, that is an arbitrary point, such is the case with mapping any three dimensional in two dimensions.

[analogZero]

There is no center on the surface of the earth, that is an arbitrary point, such is the case with mapping any three dimensional in two dimensions.

quite true, I'm just talkin' the intersection of the equator and prime meridian.
otherwise the centre of the earth is always beneath my feet. the universe too for that matter, haha.

[Koopaking]

ahh but the equator and the prime meridian intersect at two different points, exactly opposite the globe from each other.

[Raven]

Actually, because the universe is expanding at the speed of light, the ends of the universe are equally distant in any direction from any point. Because of this I can truthfully say that I am the center of the universe.

[analogZero]

FINE, koopa can pray toward the pacific ocean, and I'll pray toward the atlantic and we'll see who's prayers are answered first. GO!

ps. Peyote trips are a religious experience, but they can also be documented as a chemical reaction. Not only can science and religion exist together, but fun can exist right along side them. it's a cosmic threeway! a trifactor if you will.

[gunbound15]

that where u are wrong science says one thing today and another tomorrow religion on the other hand is not like that :serious::serious:

the protestant reformation, the second theravada and ......i forgot buddhist split up. shiites and sunni. the roman catholic church finally admitting that the universe doesn't revolve around the earth.
i'm buddhist and i'm ok with that since that religion allows for science to coexist with it. and i still eat meat but i'll eventually quit eating it since it's better for my health if i had a vegetarian diet (religion and science)

[Koopaking]

if you never eat meat, you can't build as much muscle.

[analogZero]

bzzzt, incorrect!

[monsoon 10]

if you never eat meat, you can't build as much muscle.

*LOUD BEEP* I'm sorry that was wrong. Thanks for playing anyway.

[partyprobe]

Science has a defense on why it changes but you just keep saying no to this if you are religous on this topic and never give any real reason why religion is a better choice than science. Science has facts and has been proven wrong at times with more facts But all that religion stuff has so many mysterys people just go with it to ease there mind of the thought of passing on.

[jamjfly]

I like science but I think everything can't be explained with reason, just with faith.

[monsoon 10]

I like science but I think everything can't be explained with reason, just with faith.

Faith is just the stupid man's excuse not to think.

[rotk3000]

science all the way. I like actual data that can prove whether things are true or not!

[Aikes]

I believe in science.

If I ever adopt a religion it will most likely be the Kama Sutra and Tantric sex as a way to higher enlightenment. It is the oldest religious text and the most fun so if you must believe in something...... why not something fun?

[Aikes]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Koopaking View Post
if you never eat meat, you can't build as much muscle.


*LOUD BEEP* I'm sorry that was wrong. Thanks for playing anyway.

Well, to be honest he is right. I am in the medical field and if you eat red meat you produce red blood cells easier, transport oxygen better, etc...

You won't find any body builders who are vegetarians that look like body builders.

One more point.... it takes a higher intellect to hunt and kill another animal than it does to stand in a field and chew grass all day. It is one reason we evolved so don't knock meat.

I know this is like a religion to some people though so believe whatever you like.

[gunbound15]

if you never eat meat, you can't build as much muscle.

yeah but meat also makes sure you age faster, and die younger from things such as heart attack. you can still develop muscles if you eat enough protein from other sources. besides if you look at our intestines, they closely resemble those of a herbivore, and besides society didn't really kick off until we started farming.

[Aikes]

yeah but meat also makes sure you age faster, and die younger from things such as heart attack. you can still develop muscles if you eat enough protein from other sources. besides if you look at our intestines, they closely resemble those of a herbivore, and besides society didn't really kick off until we started farming.


Gall bladder


It is something meat eaters have to digest animal fat. It is something many herbivores lack because they are not meat eaters. Humans have gall bladders.

We are born meat eaters... omnivores... so we eat everything and we share characteristics of both carnivores and herbivores.

Cat - Human - Rat
intestines short moderate in length long

gall bladders present present absent

incisors small moderate large

canine teeth large moderate small

molars with a sharp edge flat flat

caeca small moderate large

[hanahime16]

I tend to lean toward a more scientific way of thinking
Theres no possible way for me to describe all the reasons why I really dislike organized religion right now...but well regarding why im a science person think about it like this.
In most cases, a human being is taught by their parents/teachers/relatives to believe in a certain religion from birth. from birth. this means that said person doesn't know any other way of life. religion doesn't seem farfetched or vague to them because they've known it since they were born, what could be more natural?
but, looking at it from the viewpoint of a person never taught to be either religious or athiest, a person who has reached the age of reason, religion seems almost laughable. the events described are usually out there and vague, and the requirements for being "saved", that is "never dying" or being "born again" usually go against the very nature of a human being and they teach you to depend on another, be it a priest or <insert god of your choice here> himself. You can call it a crutch or mass deception, whatever you like, but it isn't the Truth (capital T).
And on top of that the history of almost every major religion is wrought with corruption and abuse of the weak.
i hope im making sense to you guys, its a lot of thought in a small amt of space sry. ( ;
..>>so i am a science person. its not perfect or close to complete, but its better than the things i previously described. im sorry to all the religion people out there. im not ripping on you personally, this is just the way i feel about the topic.

[RzXzB]

Religion all the way

[partyprobe]

Im kind of mad that people are more naming what the like better than debating why they like that. And back on the topic Sience just has less whole in it. I think it is more belivable that earth could have been broking off a bigger planet or something. Because we have seen it happen before and religion trys to make people think a man used magic to create the universe and earth ha. It is more belivable that it has always existed.

[analogZero]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Koopaking View Post
if you never eat meat, you can't build as much muscle.




Well, to be honest he is right. I am in the medical field and if you eat red meat you produce red blood cells easier, transport oxygen better, etc...

You won't find any body builders who are vegetarians that look like body builders.

One more point.... it takes a higher intellect to hunt and kill another animal than it does to stand in a field and chew grass all day. It is one reason we evolved so don't knock meat.

I know this is like a religion to some people though so believe whatever you like.

body builders drink shakes with 100+ grams of protein (I'm sure you'd know that one of those would be excessive for a typical human being). what's the 2 most popular protein supplements? whey and soy! neither of which are a meat bi-product.
your second point, you should check into agriculture. You may find it a little more challenging that chewing grass in a field all day.
while it may be easier to obtain the required quantity of protein from meat, it's not necessary.

quick quote time!:
"High intensity stregth training and not food stimulates muscle growth. Consuming excessive amounts of protein is not only bad for your liver and kidneys, but also promotes vitamin and mineral difficiencies. It is also linked to the development of some forms of cancer"

don't knock non-meat. It's not too late to tell evolution it may have made a mistake.

[deathkeepe]

Holy crap my brain hurts from reading all of this continuiosly. I'm both religious and scientific.

For those that say that religion can cause war: that is true, but when there are political differences then the religious can prevent a war by rebeling against the government for their religious brethren that are in the other nation's land.

People have the right to go against religion, but they shouldn't disrespect the other person for believing in what they want.

___________________________________
So naive, I keep holding on to want to believe. Is their a price to be payed forfor the blood which we dine, justified by the holy and the divine?

[sparkrose]

isnt scientology considered a religion i have a book on it..... but im catholic to so far ive managed to make both of them coexist with each other i guess im a scientaholic or something

[deathkeepe]

Religion and science work well with one another. I say that argueing which one has better points will seperate them more. Can we stop with the points?

[analogZero]

isnt scientology considered a religion i have a book on it..... but im catholic to so far ive managed to make both of them coexist with each other i guess im a scientaholic or something

don't forget christian science! it's not as scientific as its name would claim.

[Koopaking]

Holy crap my brain hurts from reading all of this continuiosly. I'm both religious and scientific.

For those that say that religion can cause war: that is true, but when there are political differences then the religious can prevent a war by rebeling against the government for their religious brethren that are in the other nation's land.


Um no that's not preventing a war, that's called a Civil War.

[animaniac]

gaaaah...,how are you guys so sure that our map today is correct??? heck you don't even know that the word science is the search for truth or a systematized body of knowledge....and that religion isn't the right word??? every single word can be wrong.

ps: they eat people in papua new guinea

what kind of -vore is someone who eats plastic or something.

[Shigami]

gaaaah...,how are you guys so sure that our map today is correct??? heck you don't even know that the word science is the search for truth or a systematized body of knowledge....and that religion isn't the right word??? every single word can be wrong.

ps: they eat people in papua new guinea

what kind of -vore is someone who eats plastic or something.

How do you know we live in earth? Or how do you know that you are in fact a human and not some kidnapped alien live in human society,and mirror's are just mere illusions to confuse you into thinking you are human.

[suune]

I'm more for science but I also believe in God as well...Where science fails, God makes it happen...

[Koopaking]

gaaaah...,how are you guys so sure that our map today is correct??? heck you don't even know that the word science is the search for truth or a systematized body of knowledge....and that religion isn't the right word??? every single word can be wrong.
.

The thing about words is that they have definitions of what they mean. That's how we know what they mean. And the planet has been cartographed fairly well over the past 3000 years or so.

How do you know we live in earth? Or how do you know that you are in fact a human and not some kidnapped alien live in human society,and mirror's are just mere illusions to confuse you into thinking you are human.

We would still be humans because that's what we decide to call ourselves. We know we live on Earth because that is what we have decided to call our planet.

[monsoon 10]

I'm more for science but I also believe in God as well...Where science fails, God makes it happen...

Seems like you're using God as an excuse when you aren't able to figure something out.

[analogZero]

Seems like you're using God as an excuse when you aren't able to figure something out.

god makes my toast crispy and golden brown every morning. he's a good kid.

ps. he also puts soccer balls in the net

[deathkeepe]

Um no that's not preventing a war, that's called a Civil War.

because of are government we can overturn the decision without blood.

[animex09]

i believe mostely in science but still have some religious beliefs. im catholic. i like science and facts but i think that maybe some of the stuff written in religious books can be real. maybe not things like cutting lakes in 2 to get by but more beliaveable things.:dizzy:

[gunbound15]

I'm more for science but I also believe in God as well...Where science fails, God makes it happen...

science only fails about 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000001% of the time, and it's usually in hollywood movies that it fails. :ramen:

[Koopaking]

because of are government we can overturn the decision without blood.

You didn't say overturn a decision, you said rebel against the government.

[deathkeepe]

You didn't say overturn a decision, you said rebel against the government.

does this sound better? Overturn against that decision by getting hundreds of thousands to protest therefore not rebeling but getting what you want done.

[monsoon 10]

because of are government we can overturn the decision without blood.

What the hell is this gibberish?

[ak49]

i say ......i dont know ....

[Vaiyala]

Definitely religion. So far, God's given me more results than the ever-changing science. :happy:

Is it weird that I'm probably the only Christian who likes yaoi? O.o

[Azure]

I'm personally somewhere inbetween right now , Blind Fanaticism to religion was my original stand point but , after looking at it from a human logic point it seems to some extent less likely to have happened(The events of the bible - being of a christian viewpoint that is. ) , however taking into consideration it is a human stand point , who are we to argue the facts of the existence of anything other than what we've seen.

[deathkeepe]

I'm personally somewhere inbetween right now , Blind Fanaticism to religion was my original stand point but , after looking at it from a human logic point it seems to some extent less likely to have happened(The events of the bible - being of a christian viewpoint that is. ) , however taking into consideration it is a human stand point , who are we to argue the facts of the existence of anything other than what we've seen.

Christian fanatic all rhe way for me.

[the murder]

personally to me religion was just a way to put fear into people for control, and science to me should not be meshed in with religion.science-facts....there are so many religions, this proves its just belief, nothing real......just my opinion; no matter what i go with what i can see with my eyes