Beat your kids!

[CryticX]

http://ezinearticles.com/?Why-Child-Beating-Never-Helps&id=145557

I am just wondering why so many parents are pussies and say "go to your room" fuck it, Kids today need a good beating every now and then. If you don't beat your kids when they fall out of line, the next thing you know your son will go off and bang some hooker in the ass. You own your kids, that's what I believe so stop eating their shit and smack them. What will they do? Don't agree with me? eat me. Kids need to learn, little pussy parents don't need to listen to their children's opinions, fuck their opinion. Parents own. I'm 18, my parents raised me with a beating (or at least threat of one) - you'll thank me later if you don't understand, if you don't, then you still think you're right and a immature 16 fuckmuppet that just aced his second Algebra test, congratulations dumbass. I hate the news about parents getting in trouble for beating their kids, those kids probably pissed them off 60% of the time (I understand real abuse). I'm right you're wrong and that's why America is becoming stupid - the whole "Opinion" thing - kids should ask one time if the parent says no, means no and if they bug you break a PVC pipe on their little prissy back (not in a literal sense). If your parents are liberals who cares? then still listen to them the point is PARENTS OWN YOUR ASS. These news stories and articles piss me off.

[fazenda]

erm are you talking about beating your kids for something, or giving them spankings for something, because that a huge difference. the article only talks of beating, and they probably had someone with some type training in human behavior read it over so that people who see it will just see it as completely horrible and not think twice.

And yes some people would argue that spanking is beating, but if you slap a child, their is no way that could be considered spanking because it is beating and that is the image that they meant for you to see wen they wrote the article.

[CryticX]

If you read the article carefully as I did (otherwise I wouldn't have written such a fabulous topic) you will notice that the fag that wrote it put "majority" of parents and many schools (private I'm guessing) still punish by beating, and I don't think a majority of parents "beat" their children in an abusive way. The fag that wrote it used the word beat instead of spank to make it so "inhuman" and "mean". Beating and spanking were the same definition until crocbutters like that "behavior" specialist twisted it to be different. BEATING and SPANKING is the same, don't agree? Here's an example - "Son, if you don't listen to me I'll beat you with a belt" ...nuff said.

[Zaraki]

still someone will take it the wrong way and will say you're abusing. i'm all for getting the paddle or belt out to punish a kid who did something that they know they shouldn't have. just a light slap won't do anything. spanking is supposed to hurt, i was a little devil back then and would get slapped pretty hard by a belt or paddle. eventually i got the idea that what i was doing was wrong and didn't want to be at the wrong end of the paddle or belt. so saying it doesn't work is ludicrous.

[quietchat]

Well, first off, I'd like to go on the record and say that with how you're acting, it seems like the beating did shit, so that's one right there against your logic.

Second off, I was raised in a house where my opinion mattered, was considered, and I never once did anything that required being punished, and you'd never know me on the street from what you see here. No beatings for me, no behavior issues, no begging, whining, yelling, nothing. So, two against beating.

Third, I can easily find a number of articles that say spankings and punishment do shit, and do worse than shit by giving you what you thought you were stopping. In fact....

http://parentingmethods.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_pitfalls_of_punishing_children

http://www.caslondon.on.ca/helping-families/positive-parenting/reasons-not-hit-children

http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9708/14/nfm.spanking/

http://www.askdrsears.com/html/6/T062100.asp

http://www.kidsource.com/kidsource/content4/spanking.morph.html

As for the spanking = abusing debate, no, spanking is not abusing if it doesn't hurt the child. If you go and slap them, yeah, I'll kick your ass. You don't need to go about being violent to your kids.

[CryticX]

Allow me to say again my mediocre little friend, I never said slapping and frankly beating = spanking (the context is the clue). Hell, I grew up to be a obedient child and I grew up to be a respectable part of society. Your argument "it did shit", your personal opinion is as flawed as the next because I was never beaten and how I'm acting is correctly. Your "opinion" is probably "can we go eat somewhere?" or "I think Obama stinks" what I referred to is "I don't want to take out the trash, it stinks" that opinion is not to be even considered, whiny bastards. I never said violent, a good spanking (good beating) is necessary - not all kids grow up little angels like you dear sir. At those articles, I believe they would be a waste of time to read either way because it's the same parents who think the kid is as respectable as a grown adult. Spanking is healthy when necessary, sure, listen to your kids but PARENTS OWN YOU, get over it. You're wrong your parents RULE you, listen to them, disobey them multiple times - get a spanking. Simple as that.

How I'm acting ,huh? And what would that be? does it make you grit your teeth of some of my comments, I was never punished by beating because I never needed one. Your "social" rules may have been violated by my "rant", but did I in anything that I write suggest that "it did shit"? A rant is a rant and this is the internet, my friend. Social etiquette is for the posing suckup.

Are you saying spanking isn't suppose to hurt? Seriously? Are we to tap them lightly on the ass? What is a spanking then? I don't see the logic if the child does it over and over again and you tried "grounding", but it doesn't work. I would spank the kid, it is correct. Perhaps since you were never even punished your opinion is not to be appreciated. I was threatened by spanking, it was enough for me.

[CryticX]

My point exactly, when a beating or spanking (damn social faux pas) is necessary then do it, be consistent. I believe spanking in good for 7-13 maybe 14 age group is needed. These stories of people saying "My mother beat me, that's why I'm crazy" - I laugh at them. Kids go crazy because they weren't raised correctly or they go off without notice. Beating is all in the context, I just named it for the sake of attracting good arguments of which many failed. Shit Pastry arguments are terrible.

http://www.lifelounge.com/resources/IMGDETAIL/pastry_poo.jpg

[analogZero]

Well your article is rather biased to begin with. It makes a lot of assumptions at human psychology with nothing to back it up.
That said though, the thought of beating children to set them straight is rather lazy in and of itself. It's a fast attempt at getting a child to behave, and often the act of a parent who doesn't want to put forth the effort toward proper care of their child.
Parents tend to act in the heat of the moment, and it can hardly be blamed of many individuals to make rash decisions on the spot to keep their kids in line. It's the ones that are extreme that need to be weeded out and put under the hot lamp. Anything from physical violence to yelling just shows ignorance and lack of control on the parents behalf. Yet, that's the route many parents choose to take, because it's a simple reactionary impulse. The kid does something out of line, and you get angry. Projecting that anger onto them is a quick fix at best. Quick fixes being known for their instability being in harmony with their immediate effectiveness. As a result, it's no wonder that kids portray erratic development.
Now what if in every situation such as this, the parent took the effort to control their nerves and make a proper assessment of the situation? To make a rational and just punishment equivalent to the damage done? It's fair to say that punishments are required; that from mistakes the child learns the value of consequence. It's when we leave it to instinct or leave our reactions to quick fixes (eg. what our parents did to us) that we lose sight of our reason and act out of impulse; instilled or not.
I'll stand middle ground in the end, that consequence and punishment are vital to proper development, but to base these punishments on violent retribution or primal reaction is rather feeble-minded and monstrous.

[CryticX]

I never suggested quick fix. Consistency and proper punishment, a spanking can be a good punishment. Spur of the moment would probably be abuse anyway. I don't have assumption as I read hundreds of articles, but for people like you let me cut down my topic in one sentence since it's hard to understand.

"Most parents COMPLETELY discourage spanking" and I don't believe spanking (or disciplinary beating) should be completely rejected. Some offenses require different punishments. Don't agree? eat me.

[fazenda]

This said it much better than I could have.

I never suggested quick fix. Consistency and proper punishment, a spanking can be a good punishment. Spur of the moment would probably be abuse anyway. I don't have assumption as I read hundreds of articles, but for people like you let me cut down my topic in one sentence since it's hard to understand.

"Most parents COMPLETELY discourage spanking" and I don't believe spanking (or disciplinary beating) should be completely rejected. Some offenses require different punishments. Don't agree? eat me.

[MelodyHeal]

http://www.answerbag.com/articles/How-to-Include-Spanking-in-Child-Discipline/7d393e0c-6f4a-e050-4a2c-929d14648fc5

That's the only thing that doesn't let me reject spanking entirely. As long as it doesn't go to far from spanking.

[mellowguy]

I'm hopefully going to train my children to be silent pseudo-ninja omnivores with a knack for hacking and d&d. If they don't turn out this way, I'll probably blame it on genetics.

In all seriousness though, I'd rather children found out about consequences from outside, real world devices- like bumping into bullies or not looking where your going. Allowing children to be injured, instead of protecting them from all harm, is very important to me. One article which describes this perfectly is:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200411/nation-wimps

[analogZero]

I never suggested quick fix. Consistency and proper punishment, a spanking can be a good punishment. Spur of the moment would probably be abuse anyway. I don't have assumption as I read hundreds of articles, but for people like you let me cut down my topic in one sentence since it's hard to understand.

"Most parents COMPLETELY discourage spanking" and I don't believe spanking (or disciplinary beating) should be completely rejected. Some offenses require different punishments. Don't agree? eat me.

Thanks for simplifying for "us people"?
Dude, repetitive condensation aside, I said roughly the same thing you did (consequence good, aggression bad, inaction bad) only I tilted more in favour of not hitting the kid. I just threw down a thought and didn't direct at your comments or anyone else's. They're simply words for the ears, not ones I'm trying to put in your mouth.

Just to add though, reading hundreds of articles doesn't absolve you of assumption. You might want to try publishing something on the subject, before you preach your sound experience and wisdom.

[suigintou]

I was under the impression that most of us already knew by now that physical punishment isn't worthless. And that we knew already that both punishment and reinforcement only truly work when consistent.

I feel like this thread isn't teaching anyone anything.

Then again, maybe I just assume too quickly that people are knowledgeable.

[CrazyHazel]

i agree with the topic a good well desevered beating is best if you wish to raise well behaved kids i may be only 16 but i was raised right and i think im a pretty good kid i was beat or threatened to be when i needed to be (i think im babling now)

[MelodyHeal]

i agree with the topic a good well desevered beating is best if you wish to raise well behaved kids i may be only 16 but i was raised right and i think im a pretty good kid i was beat or threatened to be when i needed to be (i think im babling now)

I was also raised that way, and I think I'm a pretty good kid.

My mom works as a nurse, so she understands what (out-of-control) physical punishments will do to us. She only spanked us sometimes, but now me and my siblings are older. We're at the age of understanding what they expect of us when they yell at us.

[yameel]

I dont think beating kids is alway a good solution but it sometimes works, but it can also backfire and become a crime so when you say something as dangerouse as beating children there always pros and con to the issue.

[CryticX]

Yes I read many articles, I just wrote that so you won't shove your Google knowledge into my face. I call it the "Google shield" XD .

@Sui

No. People don't agree with that assumption, some of which commented in this thread. I hope those people buy some 'No more Tears tm.' shampoo and wipe those little prissy tears away.

BTW, I noticed somebody gave me a neg rep for this thread. All I can tell you is - It's a fucking debate topic, that's why it's in a debate section you socksniffer, what's more ridiculous is that you were too cowardly to leave a name and put a dot as the comment, fag, I have no respect for people like you. Instead of getting all butthurt, I suggest you type something instead of lurking and being a chimp.

[Koopaking]

This thread gave me a hearty laugh.

Your kids are yours, you created them, so do what you want to them - just keep it to yourself.

[analogZero]

BTW, I noticed somebody gave me a neg rep for this thread. All I can tell you is - It's a fucking debate topic, that's why it's in a debate section you socksniffer, what's more ridiculous is that you were too cowardly to leave a name and put a dot as the comment, fag, I have no respect for people like you. Instead of getting all butthurt, I suggest you type something instead of lurking and being a chimp.

There's no need for bad repping when a spanking would do just as well, people.

[Caster9301]

I don't know why someone would neg rep b/c of a debaters topic anyway, ya know? It just kinda bugs me that someone would be so juvenile

[aezgaga]

I'll say what my dad told me ... You are a parent not to educate your kid but to beat the shit out of them !! :D I was raised like that and i'll raise my kid that way too >= D I created them so if they not obey me they'll pay >=D ..... I know the law don't agree but... the ''go to your room'' or ''no video game'' work... seriously my father beat the shit out of me everytime i did something wrong.... and my mom... send me to my room... And I have more respect to my father than my mom that just involve her damn rules of we have the power of making you do what we want !...

And if she can't hold me she told me to GTFO to my father's place... Where it's so much better ^^ So .... Let's beat the shit out of your kids and they'll like you more! all my friend and my little brother friends ( like 11 years old) when their dad want to punish him he just say Go fuck yourself fatty and his father his like .... okay.... So ... They won't respect you until you show them who's the boss ! ^^

[Bobadoe]

I'll say what my dad told me ... You are a parent not to educate your kid but to beat the shit out of them !! :D I was raised like that and i'll raise my kid that way too >= D I created them so if they not obey me they'll pay >=D ..... I know the law don't agree but... the ''go to your room'' or ''no video game'' work... seriously my father beat the shit out of me everytime i did something wrong.... and my mom... send me to my room... And I have more respect to my father than my mom that just involve her damn rules of we have the power of making you do what we want !...

I agree entirely... I was raised on the belt... And I feel I am a better person for it.

And I also respect my dad more... Mom did not give a damn...

Belt or yard stick for a kind of preplanned punishment and a couple whacks upside the head for a quick punishment.

I thank him for it. I truly feel like I am better for it.

[yameel]

I was raised by a single parent she used the belt a shoe what ever that was at had i turned out ok but my bother sit in prison that is the reason for my earlier comment.

[Jello]

Well

I wasn't raised by harsh beating, just the spanking and i believe i turned out all right. i do believe that as a young kid, like 2,3-6, it should be a little lighter physical disipline and when they have the judgement to realise that belts hurt thats when you threaten them with the heavier beatings. THREATEN them. obviously if they don't listen to you then go at it. I want my kids to love me and respect me, but not fear me and hate me for hurting them.

but that's just me.

[CryticX]

It proves I'm completely right in more than one occasion, therefor I'll celebrate me graduating above the class of whimsical chimps and lame liberal answer throwers.

[Bobadoe]

Congrats Crytic. You should throw yourself a graduation party.

[analogZero]

whoa whoa whoa, I was gonna throw myself a graduation party for being self declared above and beyond everybody here. Who are you inviting? Cuz I don't want people feeling they have to choose their favorite. Also, I call dibs on devil's food cake at mine. you'll have to deal with plain white cake...or lemon.

[CryticX]

I'll visit, of course those droppings are not blamed on me by default, correct?

[Zaraki]

whoa whoa whoa, I was gonna throw myself a graduation party for being self declared above and beyond everybody here. Who are you inviting? Cuz I don't want people feeling they have to choose their favorite. Also, I call dibs on devil's food cake at mine. you'll have to deal with plain white cake...or lemon.

plain white cake i can handle but lemon?!?!:dizzy::dead:

[wi_sam]

I believe deciplinary actions are a must, IF needed.

[gunslinger]

http://ezinearticles.com/?Why-Child-Beating-Never-Helps&id=145557

I am just wondering why so many parents are pussies and say "go to your room" fuck it, Kids today need a good beating every now and then. If you don't beat your kids when they fall out of line, the next thing you know your son will go off and bang some hooker in the ass. You own your kids, that's what I believe so stop eating their shit and smack them. What will they do? Don't agree with me? eat me. Kids need to learn, little pussy parents don't need to listen to their children's opinions, fuck their opinion. Parents own. I'm 18, my parents raised me with a beating (or at least threat of one) - you'll thank me later if you don't understand, if you don't, then you still think you're right and a immature 16 fuckmuppet that just aced his second Algebra test, congratulations dumbass. I hate the news about parents getting in trouble for beating their kids, those kids probably pissed them off 60% of the time (I understand real abuse). I'm right you're wrong and that's why America is becoming stupid - the whole "Opinion" thing - kids should ask one time if the parent says no, means no and if they bug you break a PVC pipe on their little prissy back (not in a literal sense). If your parents are liberals who cares? then still listen to them the point is PARENTS OWN YOUR ASS. These news stories and articles piss me off.

umm yeah a parent did that near my neighborhood umm kid waited till mom went to bed [i dont think he even waited] then grabed knife slash stap ect mom dead. perfect way to piss your children and make them killers or make em run away or they call child abuse your ass gets locked up. today kids teens got GUNS and can easily hide it from parents anyone. the usa becomeing idiots are because of what they teach in school there methods suck and disapline actions as well and most ppl need a good ass whoopin the ppl who run there mouths not only that but goverment is partly to blame.

[Zero Ichi]

why is this thread still getting posts?
it should have ended back in September, kid does bad slap'em, they do it a second time you are obligated to beat them within reasonable terms, if the kid has a gun or is psychotic enough to use a knife toward the parent then that was a terrible parent, plain and simple, end of story

...and on another note i love devil's food cake!

[PinkyQutie]

Anyway, I hate all family violence. I think if parents beat their children too much, the children will always remember what they did to them. Once when the children's hearts are broken, it will be amostly impossible to recover.

[f0x_trot]

beating is bad and helps no one it just makes the kid snap eventualy and freak out

[ray neon]

how could u child abuse is a rising concern in todays society