Allow teachers to carry Guns in schools?

[starscream]

O_o This is a little confusing to me. On one hand if the teachers have the guns I can understand they will be better equipped to handle situations like columbine. On the other who's to say the teachers are mentally stable themselves. I know I had some teachers that made me question their sanity. The thing that bothers me about this story is that they are still discussing whether or not to put this in place. It will be a scary thought for parents with children in these schools as they drop them off each day. Also there are now talks of leaving the descision up to the states themselves on whether to implement this or not. I was just wondering what your thoughts were on this.

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[AkiTorrien]

I don't think teachers should have guns in the school, for the same reason student's shouldn't. A Teacher might get pissed off at the class and might take out the gun and use it as a threatening measure. What if the teacher accidentally pulls the trigger? it could result in a few things. The kids get scared and report the incident to the police/parents. The bullet hits someone and seriously injure someone. The bullet kills someone all these would result in the school being sued and the teacher loosing there job. It might be a protection method but it is also a risk factor.

[wi_sam]

The idea itself is just absurd.

Eventhough some of them are unqualified for a heavy and rough job as a "teacher", I still believe that teachers these days are misunderstood and disrespected.

[analogZero]

So the way to stop guns in schools, is to give out more guns? As if you're going to make firearms training a prerequisite for school teachers. Sam's got it right, it's absurd. While teachers may have a stressful job, and the threat of firearms in schools can be real (in some places), it's not to say that the solution to guns is to hand out guns to those who don't have them. That just means that if something does break out, there's more guns firing, and a higher probability of unnecessary injury/death. Maybe, think about putting security guards or something like that in first, before you decide to give a gun to somebody doling out textbooks.

[Mugen]

So... if a student comes to school packing with intent to kill, a teacher also equipped with a gun will help the situation? Yeah, right. Sounds more like an exacerbation to me.

[bloodgurl8]

I'm not sure what to say about it. I think it could go both ways, a lot of kids these days thinks it's cool to carry a gun. Down here the schools are pretty bad, but I don't think it's right for the teachers to do the same as the kids. As for the security guards...I'm not sure if that would work though a lot of schools have them now. That is one of the reasons I'm glad I never went to public school.

[Inulove17]

I donno I live in an area where the crime rate is minimum to none, very rare... so in my oppinion I'd say having a teacher carry a gun would be an insane idea. Bad in so many ways, but on the opposite side I can see where they would want to where they may be necessary. But I mean with the shootings in the school perhaps a student would get the brilliat idea to sneak into the teacher's room/desk while they are not around.. aka killing everyone in the vacinity.. yeah great idea. Protection perhaps, but otherwise just a stupid idea.

[animex09]

Hell to the no. I would already be dead.

[quietchat]

This isn't a new debate. It's pretty much been around since the school shootings first occured, which if I'm right would be the Columbine High School shooting, but it's making a come back as we had like 10 of them in the last 3 years (I'm including over seas in Europe).

On that note, here's a better solution: MORE GUN CONTROL!!! Which everyone hates, but if you want to get rid of the threat and worry all together, this is your only way. Only law enforcement can have hand guns, all guns for hunting have to be kept securely at a station near where you would go hunting, and teach gas station attendants everywhere to use a tazer gun.

But, that's un-realistic and I know that everyone will be against that plan anyway. If you can't have more gun control, then the absolute best thing to do is to have more protection. At the college I go to, there is a police station right on campus. At the high school I went to, there were 2 officers max around at any time, except when we had bomb threats or drug searches. It was a large high school though and hard to move around. I would say 2 police officers for every 1000 people in a large high school, 3 in a school with less than 1000.

Again, this is unrealistic since it costs the school money to hire security, and schools have to cut back in everything now adays.

Third solution: Arm the teachers. Poor idea for the reasons everyone else has already listed, good idea for obvious reasons, but let's change this some.

Don't give teachers guns, let the secretary have a gun, let principals have guns. There, you now have probably 5 more people with guns, and they are usually going to be witness to any shooting that happens anyway. It costs no more money to the state, no worry for the kids, and you wouldn't even have to know they carry them. After that, make sure you can prevent the fucking shooting in the first place. Abolish any social classing, make sure everyone knows that they can go to a counsoler, and take every minor threat seriously. Figure out what students have access to guns in some way, talk to the parents, convince them to teach that guns are not to be used against other people, and now you have a plan with no possible flaws.

[mikesword]

I bet the teachers would shoot the troublesome students if they were pushed over the edge.

[Sadrith]

I think it is a perfectly sound idea now I may be crazy. Think about it what about in high crime areas or a hostile parent in certain enviroments it may be a good idea and you all seem to have it in your head that all teachers are crazy mother fuckers but that is the extreme one percent maybe. More teachers are there to help people and these situation would be all resolved by all the reforms that would happen if this was to be put in place. Also mike if a teacher was pushed far enough they could simpily buy a gun and bring it in and kill people. There is one police officer at most schools I have been to and in the event of a shoot out one person may not be enough to stop the situation before it gets to far out of hand but maybe only arming a few of the teacher may work.

[analogZero]

I'm going to go out and say that I don't see teachers as being crazy badass mofo's looking to blow some steam, I just think they're incompetent as a whole when it comes to firearms. It's better to leave the guns in the hands of the people who're trained to use them.

[spirit]

To allow teachers to carry guns in schools sound like a total insane idea to me. Teachers job is to teach not to use guns. If anyone needs a protection or wants to execute the law then they should rely on the Police or other Security forces.

[Koopaking]

I can't understand why a teacher would even walk anywhere near a school without being equipped with a firearm. Children are crazy. Everyone should get guns. More people need to own guns. More people need to shoot other people with guns. Teachers get guns, students get guns, EVERYONE SHOULD GET A GUN.

[spirit]

I can't understand why a teacher would even walk anywhere near a school without being equipped with a firearm. Children are crazy. Everyone should get guns. More people need to own guns. More people need to shoot other people with guns. Teachers get guns, students get guns, EVERYONE SHOULD GET A GUN.
Yeah, in that case- sure why not : P

[am0184]

Well, isn't that why we have police officers in school?

[ounsreymum]

if teachers hove gun ..somewhere down da line ..IF students arguing or fightin and if fun da gun somewhere wat do u think its goin to be happen ? dats right they goin to use it and shoot others ...duhhhhh comment sence.

[Inulove17]

I donno... I still think it's a bad idea, I suppose it depends on the place however. The matter of guns being in the school in the first place is just insane... bringing the guns to school is only the start of it. Teachers do teach not to use them, however kids being the way they are and I'm sure you all know what I mean, they don't listen. They don't care for that matter. *shrugs* I donno what can be done for the matter, more gun control would be nice but that's like saying we need to rid the world of polution. It needs to be done, but will never happen in full until everyone gets their act together.

Don't get me wrong, I feel bad for those teachers, and that shooting was horrible just to hear nevermind being part of it. *shivers at the thought* If you think of it though, anything can be turned into a weapon, you just need to know how to use it.. (yes I understand that is a bad thought, but it's true)

[suune]

Sure, and then we'll allow kindergarden kids to carry around ones... Hello?

[Sadrith]

if teachers hove gun ..somewhere down da line ..IF students arguing or fightin and if fun da gun somewhere wat do u think its goin to be happen ? dats right they goin to use it and shoot others ...duhhhhh comment sence.

Sir are you aware that there are firearms that only respond to a particular frequency or something that is emitted by a watch and if only the teacher has one then it makes it kind of hard.

Well, isn't that why we have police officers in school?

That is one person to most granted that will solve most problems but a major problem if it is one person it seems that it would be kind of hard if there where more then one person.

I'm going to go out and say that I don't see teachers as being crazy badass mofo's looking to blow some steam, I just think they're incompetent as a whole when it comes to firearms. It's better to leave the guns in the hands of the people who're trained to use them.

True but how do we make people not incompetent and don't most teachers go to trainings as odd as that sounds for this particular situation.

[Troy65]

Allow teachers to carry Guns! I don't think so!
I work at a school; some of the teachers I would not let allowed to carry a pack of gum. I think that schools are so desperate to get teachers they are are not doing background checks well enough. Though some of the students are not even smart enough to be a speed bump.

[carolyn07]

...huh?,.

of course not!,.

they shouldn't bring guns in schools,.

we all know how we youngsters think and when we see somthing that kind of cool for us,.we tend to do the same withouht thinking of the consequences!,.

it might cause us to think "oh my professor's bringing with him a gun and i think it's cool so i can do the same (even without adult's notice)",.

and with that,.it may cause accidents,.

teachers are the role models for the students so,.i dont think it's nice to bring guns with them!,.♥

[leshinor]

Sure, why not? Maybe have a mine field too so that students don't run on the hallways. And of course the director could be a SWAT member instead of a teacher. Another interesting idea is to give the cleaning ladies some firearms and a couple of katanas for close distance use. Sounds great!

Is this what the teachers represent nowadays? When you can't convince someone to act well resort to violence? It goes against all of society's morals and beliefs. Besides that though, it is not practical either. Teachers are not trained to use them. Guns are made to kill people. If one is not trained well there will be many sad consequences. And I do not think that teachers should train in war...

[alsharid]

That a terrifying idea. You can't fight fire with fire. I doubt that any caring parent would allow their child to go to school if this would happen.

[WolfLupus]

Sure, why not? Maybe have a mine field too so that students don't run on the hallways. And of course the director could be a SWAT member instead of a teacher. Another interesting idea is to give the cleaning ladies some firearms and a couple of katanas for close distance use. Sounds great!

^^^ (sounds almost like a prison)
"Alright Honey have fun at School"
----- Teacher: "GET TO CLASS!!, FROSSY!!" "YES SIR!!"
(WHEN DID WE JOIN THE MILITARY???? ...... whats next ....? schools are gonna make us work for them?? like having a school in Texas that is gonna force the kids to labor for oil??.... >.> ..... just saying... wheres the morality in any of this)

[kanama k.]

really i think they shouldnt be able to i mean you see all these teahers already to hit the children when they get upset what makes you think they can handle a gun with out going nuts with power

[CryticX]

These whitehats and their uncontrollable lust of fascistic law. It honestly is laughable, security is a selling point of total goverment control, and we're following it like little sheep.

[jovana]

I think it should be alowed.

[Ashiya]

Who in their right mind would let a group of teachers carry around guns? To even consider this is just stupid. Our society knows the harmful effects of guns, and keeping them near a group of children should be out of the question, and completely ridiculous!
Not to say that guns should be completely band, because they do provide protection.
Who actually would vote for that?!

[ryuganatsu]

oh guns?...:fruit: whats wrong abt..bringing dangans anyway?...::D:hehehehe...if the school is the school of gang leaders and such..let the teachers have guns to protect themselves....anyway...it depends on the teacher...
do you honestly think a teacher would shoot s student directly?...bakaroh!!!teachers know a lot abt.. rules in countries anyway...JAILS are everywhere...

take note:if the teachers loose control and shoot...then she woould be on prison..isnt it great :cute: the lesser the teacher the lesser the class hours is hahahahahaha!!!or someday there would be no theachers anymore!!!!!:dancing:no more schools...and classess...:pissed:im tired of it...

use zanpakuto instead
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll145/spearhead_2008/motivator6515139.jpg

[ryuganatsu]

SPARE THE RODS SPOIL THE CHILD!!!!STUDENTS WOULD NEVER DO UNUSUAL THINGS IF THEY SAW GUNS IN FRONT OF THEIR EYES!!!!!

YES TO GUNS!!!!(or can we include zanpakuto to?)^^

[Zero Ichi]

Teachers they can teach you or kiss your ass goodbye

hahaha this is really absurd!!!

no way just keep up the work with metal detectors, thats good enough

[vinkie35]

:o check out this vid :P (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi5u8jzLzKM)

[Dolly]

This sort of problem is very true, but giving teachers guns won't help solve it in the long run, sadly. If you don't want kids shooting up schools, you take away the guns, not make them more available.

[soda_pop]

:o check out this vid :P (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi5u8jzLzKM)
that video is funny as hell

[Rock]

if i were a teacher i would carry a katana with me and unleash my bankai vs bad students :P

[aezgaga]

Gun are not the solution.... so HELL NO !!! .... The teacher should put teaser necklace to every student and puch a button to calm them :D ... that would be good :P

[ylaixVK]

The whole idea is absurd and ridiculous.

[gunslinger]

i think its ok as long as the teacher goes thought gun training so they know how to use it.
but the worst school shooting wasnt done by guns but by explosives.

look up penn and teller on youtube on school violence after a while youll find it.

[salmeria]

noo of course not !!! .. teachers r insane they'll kill everyone ! ><"

[vivek8000]

in my view NO

[gunslinger]

This sort of problem is very true, but giving teachers guns won't help solve it in the long run, sadly. If you don't want kids shooting up schools, you take away the guns, not make them more available.

umm if you going to shot someone at school what makes you think the student is going to obey the gun laws even with out guns there are many other things explosives [ blackpowder about 6 dollars per pound money umm job dealing drugs parents ect ] knifes. how they would get them in school idk but ppl can be creative if they need to be.

[cherry_23]

teachers are just as likley to shot someone as we are.... so no

[mblizzow]

this would be just as bad as lowering the age where u can have a consealed weapon license to 13. all kinds of bad things would happen, cause people are crazy.

[gunslinger]

this would be just as bad as lowering the age where u can have a consealed weapon license to 13. all kinds of bad things would happen, cause people are crazy.

lol some kids at 13 have there first drive by and carry a gun so that has already happend you just have to go to the right place and non of those ppl are crazy just are doin what they have been told are right.

[partyprobe]

wow who came up with that bad idea they cant stand half the kids as it is and people want them to carry a weapon HA.

[leshinor]

Gun are not the solution.... so HELL NO !!! .... The teacher should put teaser necklace to every student and puch a button to calm them :D ... that would be good :P

Hmm... that might work! Great idea aezgaga!!! lol!

[Zero Ichi]

....oooorrrrr, we could stay with metal detectors and bag checks to avoid anyone having a concealed wepon!!!! yippee, everything is solved!!!!

[blood zero]

Isnt there already a controversey to stop violence in schools so what the hell are they thinking?

[dragonrock]

This isn't a new debate. It's pretty much been around since the school shootings first occured, which if I'm right would be the Columbine High School shooting, but it's making a come back as we had like 10 of them in the last 3 years (I'm including over seas in Europe).

On that note, here's a better solution: MORE GUN CONTROL!!! Which everyone hates, but if you want to get rid of the threat and worry all together, this is your only way. Only law enforcement can have hand guns, all guns for hunting have to be kept securely at a station near where you would go hunting, and teach gas station attendants everywhere to use a tazer gun.

But, that's un-realistic and I know that everyone will be against that plan anyway. If you can't have more gun control, then the absolute best thing to do is to have more protection. At the college I go to, there is a police station right on campus. At the high school I went to, there were 2 officers max around at any time, except when we had bomb threats or drug searches. It was a large high school though and hard to move around. I would say 2 police officers for every 1000 people in a large high school, 3 in a school with less than 1000.

Again, this is unrealistic since it costs the school money to hire security, and schools have to cut back in everything now adays.

Third solution: Arm the teachers. Poor idea for the reasons everyone else has already listed, good idea for obvious reasons, but let's change this some.

Don't give teachers guns, let the secretary have a gun, let principals have guns. There, you now have probably 5 more people with guns, and they are usually going to be witness to any shooting that happens anyway. It costs no more money to the state, no worry for the kids, and you wouldn't even have to know they carry them. After that, make sure you can prevent the fucking shooting in the first place. Abolish any social classing, make sure everyone knows that they can go to a counsoler, and take every minor threat seriously. Figure out what students have access to guns in some way, talk to the parents, convince them to teach that guns are not to be used against other people, and now you have a plan with no possible flaws.
don't you know anything i mean those are constinutional rights and if you take those away from us were nothing. I think teachers should be allowed to have guns in school as long as the can safely use them take a test and stuff like that every so often and even the teacher shot a student they should get the death penalty and if it's a reoccuring incident then get rid of the guns i mean think how shootings could have been stopped i mean died because the teacher could not properly protect the student.

[DjKuato]

i am a student and i think this is the worst fuckin idea ever cuz u never no when a teacher will snap and they can just reach in there desk pull out the jammy and shoot up a bunch of Innocent bystanders

[bodlin]

don't you know anything i mean those are constinutional rights and if you take those away from us were nothing. I think teachers should be allowed to have guns in school as long as the can safely use them take a test and stuff like that every so often and even the teacher shot a student they should get the death penalty and if it's a reoccuring incident then get rid of the guns i mean think how shootings could have been stopped i mean died because the teacher could not properly protect the student.

I may just be ignorant to things in the U.S.A but why is it a right to have a concealed weapon doesn't that just make probolems worse and larger in number?

[lilShiro]

Hell no I would be dead already x-x.

[DjKuato]

i hear ya on that

[Tyranno]

teacher shouldnt have guns
it will freak if i saw a teacher with a gun

[Csylene]

a big no. What if a teacher loses his temper?

[DjKuato]

if i teacher took a gun to school i wouldn't go or i would take my own gun im capable of defending myself