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Shadow-San
02-28-2009, 08:10 AM
In this discussion, and future ones, i want to discuss the reality (which is entirely based upon your perception) of topics that affect us all. I will start each one with my reality of it, and, i hope, you will write what you believe, starting with the headline of either "AGREE" or "DISAGREE", and then follow with how you perceive the "reality" of the situation. So here goes.........

MONEY

In reality, money wasn't ever needed. you don't need money to hunt for your food.. you don't need money to find a mate, nor do you need it to build anything.literally everything we pay money for, we could get for free (with a little effort on your parrt, of course), or even barter for. honestly, if you think about it, money is useless, just printed on paper less valuable than the ink and material used to print it. All we look upon is free, yet we scramble for every piece of these papers we can grab..for what?, greed? Greed inspired by useless pieces of paper. People work their whole lives to earn them, to sustain themselves and families with each and every scrap they find. they pick it up off filthy streets, out of dumpsters if they spot some in one, and... beg for them. Everything we work for, for these papers, could be traded directly for what we work so hard to obtain. Since the invention of money, the gold dabloons, coins, and other items, emblazoned with an emporor's head, just as our dollars are today, have been worshipped ,something that we were told that,in order to survive, we must have it. so easily obtained and stolen by a few and yet are just another form of slavery, you are a slave to someone in hopes that they will give you another piece of the pie to feed yourself and/or family, figuratively speaking, only you don't get the the whole pie directly, you have to trade what you worked so hard for, to obtain only a small piece of it. then you must continuously slave for another piece and another. Has anyone ever even thought about reinstating the barter system? i know, i know..the world would crash and crumble, and disappear as we know it if that ever happened?, but really, is that such a loss? think about it....

A world in which crime for money is meaningless, because there is nothing to obtain by it, of course, there will still be crime, but, what would you get out of it? Not a single dollar. there would be murder....but without money, there wouldn't be as many. you may say it would be trading one reality of evil, for another, albeit lesser, form of evil. But at no time will this world ever see peace. truthfully speaking it isnt in human nature to co-exist peacefully with anything. we as a race, destroy everything we come into contact with. WE as a race, discriminate against EACHOTHER. You may lie to yourself and say " I don't do that."," I'm a good person.", or the ever popular, "I don't hate anyone for anything but their actions". Even IF that were the case, you would still be discriminating against SOMEONE. WE can't co-exist with ANYONE that doesn't fit into our description of how you should act, what is acceptable, and what you can/can't do. The non-existence of money would bring out what we truly are like. Take away a man's possesions, and you have just that man and his desire for his possesions and acceptance and love, right? But make those possesions non-existent, and you have Just the man and his desires, whether it be for "love" acceptance or gain. Take away what causes the desire to do anything for the financial gain, and you have just that.....the desire to do anything for gain, just in a lesser amount. There wll Never be anything remotely similar to a peaceful planet, i mean look at nature. But, we can take the violence, predjudice, and greed, the desire for acceptance, "love", and longing for better, all of which will Always be a part of nature, and bring them down to just the most basic level, refine it, and come out with a product that isn't rife with excuses. It's just what it is.

The Reality of The Situation.

analogZero
03-01-2009, 02:39 AM
AGREE:

Money is developing into the fictitious product that it has been for so long. It's not worth anything but what it is, and if that's nothing, then it's nothing. It's legal tender and lost it's true value long ago. Nowadays money is becoming more of a number than it is paper in your pocket. Employers can direct deposit your pay to an account, which is then spent by you by way of a card. if you check your bank account you get a number indicating how much money you apparently have. You can obtain credit, which is a number allotted to you in a set amount. Money is becoming less and less physical, and more and more intangible and imaginary. It's turning into what it actually is and people don't seem to realize it. They just know that the bigger the number they have the more things they can obtain, or can they? Life existed before the advent of currency, and can sustain itself without it, so why doesn't it and why won't it? It's seen now as a social ingredient, something required to maintain order, much like law. Or at least that's what it's original intention was, but it's morphed into something similar but less real. If your card were to one day cop out, would that mean that you're worthless?
I don't much feel like ranting at the moment, so i'll leave it at that. needless to say, I hope I see the next in the series.

Koopaking
03-01-2009, 02:58 AM
AGREE:
Money has no real worth, no actual value whatsoever. But this fiat money which we use is made completely out of convenience. We earn, spend, and circulate money because we trust that it will be valuable and that the government will enforce its value. At least in the old days the money had actual value, the currency was made of gold, silver, and other precious metals which were valuable by themselves without needing to be considered money. We switched to paper money completely out of convenience for an easily transported, universally accepted, uniformly valued form of currency. With the barter system, nothing had a set value, and depending on where you go you'd need to barter in different ways. Of course with today's urbanized society, you can't go and build yourself a hut in the woods and expect to get by far without cash, it's become absolutely essential. Like analogzero said, the money is becoming intangible now, with things like credit cards and PayPal, pretty soon all our money will be virtual, and will not only have no real value beyond its dependencies, but it won't even be real.

But of course we've reached the point of no return, and a society without money is seemingly unimaginable. Money is ingrained with the deep instinct of competition. People will always have something to fight over, something they try to get more of than others, something that will be of great value to themselves and other people. Whether it be rocks on the ground, crops in the earth, new land, new knowledge, or money... Money makes the world go 'round, because humans are always greedy no matter what.

strike7785
03-02-2009, 01:43 PM
yes in reality we dont need money, But when it comes to the basics like food, shelter, and cloths on your back. Will the people of this world really share. HELL NO!!! We will have to fight to keep what is ours or what we think is ours. So to keep the arguments on a low the govt came up with MONEY. I would like to go to a store and just pick up whatever game or anime I want and walk out the door but can I do that. NO

BoneTosser
03-02-2009, 07:37 PM
What all of you have said is true to one degree or another. But the reality of money is a measure of work done or services rendered. In other words, what you have done to help society. Are you a construction worker? If so you build the homes, factories, schools and hospitals that others need to live as they do. Are you a teacher? Then you teach the youth the skills and knowledge they will need to survive in society.

If you take away money as the corner stone of modern life then you take away peoples ability to live as they wish and work in a field that allows them to be what they want. Money is just an idea, but it is a necessary idea for our world.

To put it another way. No money = no anime. The writers and artist would be to busy hunting, farming, and building their homes.

strike7785
03-03-2009, 05:47 PM
What all of you have said is true to one degree or another. But the reality of money is a measure of work done or services rendered. In other words, what you have done to help society. Are you a construction worker? If so you build the homes, factories, schools and hospitals that others need to live as they do. Are you a teacher? Then you teach the youth the skills and knowledge they will need to survive in society.

If you take away money as the corner stone of modern life then you take away peoples ability to live as they wish and work in a field that allows them to be what they want. Money is just an idea, but it is a necessary idea for our world.

To put it another way. No money = no anime. The writers and artist would be to busy hunting, farming, and building their homes.

I dont know about you guys but I am sure as hell not working for free. Im going to get something out of it. Though I dont mind working especially if its to help out family and friends but as for myself. I need something to show a little grattitude or appreciation