The race for the presidency

[leerock89]

Ok folks, its election year in the good old U.S. Its the greatest reality show in the world with hundreds of millions watching and waiting to see which one of the evil corrupt politicians will be crowned "Most Powerful Man On The Planet"!

This years race is quite diverse then the rest have been. Theres a half-black muslim(Obama[Dem]), a women(Clinton[Dem]) and that ends the diversity. The rest happens to be old white men with power. So, after ignoring the old white men, who would u vote for between Clinton and Obama and why? If u cant vote pretend you can.

Obama so far is taking my vote. His voluntary health care plan is a lot better then Clinton's mandatory health plan. His plans for Iraq is a nice breather compared to the rest. And to be honest I don't want to vote for Hilary because I don't like the idea of the Bush and Clinton family's passing around the presidency like a frisby, even though having a female as president is something I'm rooting for.

[Ariya]

I have no clue, seriously. I was going to go for Fred Thompson, but sadly he dropped out. :/

Yes, I do know that I'm not quite old enough to vote yet, but I enjoy political discussions, especially elections. Loads of fun.

[Corwin]

while a female president is definitely something that should come around soon I'm thinking a black president(even half black) should be first, add in the fact that he's muslim going into a job that was originally intended for christians, I know we're the land of religious freedom but let's face it, when have they elected a non christian? but hopefully a black muslim will put an end to a lot of the crap going on in the US right now, muslims and blacks alike will no longer have license to bitch about the christian white man keeping them down, trying to destroy their religion and their way of life, although seeing the fact that he's not only black but muslim as well makes me wonder how much work he'll actually get done in office, if it's just going to be a political sideshow where the press does nothing for the next 2-3 years except ask him how it feels to be the first black person in the presidency, the first muslim in the presidency, and so on like that, or will it become an advertisement for the muslim religion, now his presidency may be nothing like this, but there is the possibility, although in the end I do agree w/ leerock about the clinton family throwing the presidency around like the Bush family did, 15 years from now their daughter will be running our country into the ground too at that rate

[Crymson]

I don't like Obama because I cant figure out where he stands on a lot of issues. I like Clinton's mandatory health care, because it puts the cost on big business, not on the average tax payer. Further, she's been in politics a lot longer, she knows how the game is played. further, Obama is the most liberal man in america, while Clinton has tried to walk a more moderate ground. We need that. we need someone who can get both parties working together on the same side, otherwise the USA will fail. I'm very afraid of Obama's very fast pull out tactic for Iraq will create an even worse government then the one we took out. Maybe even Iran invading. then we would really have a problem.

Corwin, I would like to point out as a Christian, that there are a lot of politicians who say they are Christians because it will win them certain votes, but their lives do not reflect that of a follower of Christ. I can't say for certain they are or not, but both Bill Clinton and W Bush have claimed it, and neither of them have been very Christian.

[Corwin]

I know that Crymson, I'm just saying that the appearances leading into the presidency have always been rich white christian landowners, it would be a nice change of pace

[leerock89]

well its true clinton does have more experience and she does have some good points. but the world isnt ready for her. IM not ready for all the taxes shes gonna raise and make.

[Ariya]

Hillary is indeed a Socialist, so taxes are going to shoot up if she is elected. :/

[nejih94]

i hate politics,its boring,i cant even vote so wat do i care

[leerock89]

hey youngin! to be american is to be able to vote for wat u believe in! thats wat the founding fathers of this nation wanted for its people. true, not voting is an option as well, but people that dont care is wats making the whole process a mockery. why do u think other nations laugh at the us? at first it was cause of our process of voting and now its our lack of interest in wat makes this country run. at least show some interest in the world around you. even though your one indiviual in many wat happens to the many effect u as well.

[nejih94]

everybodys lying so i dont no wat to believe in,i mean look at george bush,thats a fine example

[Gogo]

I like where Obama stands on schools, health care and the war. I also like how he's seems a little more genuine then other pres candidate in previous years.

Not so much into Hillary since a couple years ago when she stood alongside with Jack Thompson and belittled Video games and gamers, saying they were all indifferent to violence and that video games are evil, well in a nutshell anyway.

[leerock89]

//everybodys lying so i dont no wat to believe in,i mean look at george bush,thats a fine example//

true, but let me guess u dont trust him cause of what u see on tv and wat happened at 9/11. otherwise he was a pretty good president. he did land the nation in one heck of a debt but theres some policies he started, that, even though we wont see them in affect for awhile, will do this crounty alot of good. for presidents and high ranking politicians u have to go behind the scenes and try to see wat their doing to affect our nation. on the other hand he made terrible jokes, didnt know how to speak in public when he first started, and looks like a fool! as a person i hate him but as a politician he wasnt all to bad. and its a politicians job to lie to people. the better the lair the more money they have to do w/e they want. wat u want is a politician that actually gives a crap.

[Crymson]

There is always something to consider, that the president will have to suffer for the policies of the previous president (ie, what Clinton did wrong Bush had to deal with, what Bush did(does) wrong McCain or Clinton/Obama will have to deal with, etc).

The reasons politicians lie is because we don't like the truth. Americans want to hear nice things, great things about peace, love, and low taxes. we don't want to hear the truth about war, corruption, and political maneuvering. Look at what John Kerry did, told everyone exactly what they wanted to hear, even if it meant changing what he stood for at every rally.

And you know, maybe socialism isn't such a bad thing. You all seem to have a problem with rich white men, liars, and people who are bought and sold by big business and labor unions. so why not socialism? (Though maybe that needs its own thread)

[leerock89]

The reasons politicians lie is because we don't like the truth. Americans want to hear nice things, great things about peace, love, and low taxes. we don't want to hear the truth about war, corruption, and political maneuvering. Look at what John Kerry did, told everyone exactly what they wanted to hear, even if it meant changing what he stood for at every rally.
straight took the words out of my mouth. thats why americans are considered prude and stupid. they bitch and scream for the truth, freedom of speech and wat nots but when they get it they turn violent wanting someone to blame for the smallest thing and making it very hard to the people trying to work for them to do their job right.

[Ariya]

Socialism = Higher Taxes
Higher Taxes = Unhappy Americans

Plus, I just don't think Hillary is right for the job. I mean, it would be great to have a female president, but this is not the time. With the War, future war debt, etc. I don't think she'll know how to handle it. Keeping our troops over seas is hella better than having terrorist attacks over here. Think about it, do you want to bring the soldiers home and have Terrorist fighting over here, or do you want to keep the troops in the Middle East keeping us safer over here?

[Crymson]

So you want McCain. Obama wants a complete pullout in 12 months. Hillary is either 24 or 36 months. I can't remember which. either way she's got a longer time table.

[Ariya]

I guess I want McCain, then. But really, my guy dropped out of the race.

[Crymson]

My hope would not be that you vote for who I want (well, I do but...) that anyone voting researches the candidates and makes an educated decision.

anyway, Hillary wants to pull out by 2013 (thats 5 years from now, for the math challenged). And Obama is for a pullout in 16 months.
source http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/issues/index.html#/context=detail/issue=iraq/candidateA=clinton/candidateB=allDem

leerock89: I thought the world ended in 2000?

[leerock89]

screw it then!! i heard that the world was going to end in 2012 so it doesnt matter which one we choose!! WE ALL GONNA DIE!!

[Crymson]

How did you move that below me Leerock89? oh well.

[leerock89]

lol i deleted the post and made it again

[Crymson]

Dang. I thought I was developing clairvoyance.

[tangaloor5]

~Deep breath~

For one thing, I doubt keeping soldiers in Iraq is actually going to ward of terrorism in the US. If anything they may hate us more because we're over there. Come on, there really isn't any way to physically fight terrorism. Your best bet is to raise people's standard of living, so they are not so desperate that they are willing to die for their cause.

As for higher taxes, if you want things you have to pay for them. You want good roads, it costs money. You want decent schools you have to pay for it and pay the teacher's well enough that they don't leave. You want health care for everyone, someone has to pay for it. This nation is already insanely in debt. Do we really want to add to that debt by lowering taxes. Are taxes really that bad. I agree the tax system needs some serious work. I also know that national debt probably seems like it doesn't really matter to most people, but if the people we borrowed all this money from decide they want it back, we would be in very serious trouble. Do we really want that kind of power in other people's hands?

[Crymson]

do you realize that the US government can put the decimal point anywhere they want in the budget?

[tangaloor5]

Are you aware of how much money the government loses, and I mean it just vanishes into the cracks of the paperwork.

[leerock89]

America is the world police and they arent doing a good job of it. thats it i said it. GO AHEAD BIG BROTHER!! DO WAT U CAN TO ME!!

and america is incredibly rich. they just say that they aint go no money cause most of our taxes are actually ending up in politicians pockets for their own purposes. they really dont need more from us. i mean look at social secruity. where does all that money go when people die before they retire? i mean the government actually charges the deceased family members for the deceased.

[tangaloor5]

World police, yeah right.:rolleyes:
Does america really care what happens in other countries, I think not.

Also, I agree politicians are almost all corrupt and money grubbing sobs.

[leerock89]

actually they are the world police. do u know how many of our soldiers are overseas? over half the military is out in foriegn nations. and most of it is for the reason to protect america itself or so they say.

[tangaloor5]

Great, more ways to waste taxpayer money.

[Crymson]

Lets add lots of special government programs that only benefit a few people, and the sprawling bureaucracy to that list of wasted money

[tangaloor5]

Do you have any idea how long that list will be?:eek:

[Crymson]

yea, exactly.

[archangle]

i am not sure which candidate i am going to vote for b/c none of these candidates stand of stuff that i want and all of them got money form lobbiest so they will do what they say and not w0rrry about if it's right for people, all of them say that they will take care of US but when the time comes to walk the walk none of them ever do, even if u vote for them b/c they stand for your view point tell me if they ever complete what they had stated to do when u gave them your vote

[Crymson]

At some level you just have guess which one is the lesser of two evils.

on that note, a funny bumpersticker:
"Why vote for a lesser evil? Cuthulu 2008."

[leerock89]

in the world of politicians i dont think there is a lesser evil. maybe dumber.

[Thoza]

well i think......
what i care about politicians......... NEVER BEaLIVE EVRY POLITICS PEOPLE
BECAUSE THEY TO MUCH LIE ( to much lie politics people in Indonesian ?? )

yeeee Long LiVe For My Self In The Girl I Love..... ( Even I DonT Have 1 Now )

[silkshadow]

yep i agree all poloticains curropt

[leerock89]

its kinda sad too, the leaders of our nations are considered liars corrupt power hungry mongrels

[Ariya]

Did you guys see Hillary on Ellen today? The whole "Banning Glitter" thing cracked me up.

[leerock89]

no wat stupid thing did she say?

[Thoza]

ok that's it......
i want a Peace Full World..... No War..... if the next President Good......
he/she will Think About It ????
Hillary<<<<< sucks !!!!

[Ariya]

She said she'd ban glitter. xD ROFL!

[Thoza]

WHAT? ????? Ban Glitter.....
ROFL thats Dummies

[Ariya]

Only people under 12 can use glitter. xD I think she was joking, though.

[Thoza]

ok i to much hate people.........auhauhauhauhauahhu
maybe >.>

[leerock89]

i dont think she know how to joke. she might actually do it.

[Ariya]

She better not. I love glitter.

Please don't elect Hillary for the sake of glitter.

[leerock89]

lol!!! omg thats funny!! yea what would america be without glitter!!??!! maybe we should start a thread on that or something

[Ariya]

Obama should use that against Hillary! xDDDD

"Vote for Obama. Hillary's baning Glitter."

[Crymson]

I think she was referring to the way Obama talked... she's been doing a lot that recently. I find it pretty funny personally.

[Thoza]

wait ..... i want make clear.....
what glitter ??
Naiyate ??? ( What Was that ) ???

[leerock89]

w/e the case she seems like a dunce sometimes. not really wat im looking for our next leader to have.

and glitter are those shiny little thing u sprinkle on glue or other objects to make them all shinny and pretty.

[Thoza]

what ????
ohh ok......nice one
then lets see our next leader ( the truth its........i dont know )

[Ariya]

@Thoza:
http://www.nationalartcraft.com/images/sub-0296-01.jpg

See the stuff in the container? That's glitter.

And yes, Hillary is a dunce. She is in no condition to run this country.

[leerock89]

well it looks like the majority of the people prefer obama over clinton. gj folks i say its the right choice. now lets hope he makes it and hope that mccain loses to him in the finals.

[Zaraki]

actually they are the world police. do u know how many of our soldiers are overseas? over half the military is out in foriegn nations. and most of it is for the reason to protect america itself or so they say.
you do realize the US is in a 9 trillion debt right now do you?

Well I'm a Republican I really don't like Obama or Hillary. Universal Health Care I believe won't do jack it doesn't work in Canada really don't think it'll work in the US. If one of those two get into office and withdraw troops way before we should then Al Qaeda will take over Iraq then we will be in Iraq again. Clinton wants to get rid of private sector which I think is frickin retarted, not too mention the tax increase. I don't like Obama because I don't know (pardon my french) where in the Hell he stands, and of course the tax increase. I wouldn't mind having a female president or a black president I just think those two aren't up for the job.

Patriot Act I like because thanks to it we have stopped terrorist cells in the US. American's need to realize if they want the government to protect them then they should realize some privacy needs to be taken away. If you have nothing to hide then don't complain about it.

well it looks like the majority of the people prefer obama over clinton. gj folks i say its the right choice. now lets hope he makes it and hope that mccain loses to him in the finals.
he probably will beat mccain.

[leerock89]

wow the partiot act. if there ever was something that brought this crounty closer to stalinist state, that would be the one. i mean seriously observing all of us?? it like orwells 1984!!

[Thoza]

ok AriYa.....Thank's
But

Zaraki

i little understand what you say
and the truth its....
USA always think about them self.....
so....they really" dont care about iraq or something like that

they just care about their country and about terrorist
well terrorist its hard to find.......

[nejih94]

i dont understand anyone*SOB*im stupid

[leerock89]

im telling you if bush has his with that act this country might turn into what the romans where by the end of their emipre.

[Thoza]

well......
ho oh......
sometimes this thing make me confused

[leerock89]

lol its ok thoza and nejih. it can get very complicated sometimes. very very very complicated...

[archangle]

anyboyd has prediction on who is going to be the next president of US

[Ariya]

It's hard to say, really. I'm thinking it will be Obama, even though I don't really like him.

I'm moving back to Vietnam if Hillary wins, no joke. I don't care what my parents say, I'm leaving.

[Thoza]

well..........
no joke ......
this thing very.....very very very complicated

[Zaraki]

yeah i really don't give a rat's about politics but i think if clinton beats obama mccain will have a better chance of winning.

[Crymson]

anyboyd has prediction on who is going to be the next president of US

Too early to say. Nader is back in the race, and that will help McCain. It will also help McCain if Obama wins, because he is so liberal, and McCain is a moderate Republican. Hillary has her haters, who would vote for Stalin first, but she also has just as many people who would vote for her before anybody you could come up with. Obama is very liberal, which means he will alienate the moderates and slightly left (liberal).

It will also matter who is the VP. If McCain is smart he'll pick Huckabee, as that should ease the heads of the Republicans who are far too conservative. Obama needs to pick someone more moderate to make the rest of us feel more comfortable.

[Thoza]

ya ah......
you right .....
this is maybe complicated........
i really" agree with crimson..... !!!
but how do make US feel more comfortable ??

[Crymson]

Thoza, you make them feel like you understand them and that you are a normal person, out to do things for normal people.

[Thoza]

Thoza, you make them feel like you understand them and that you are a normal person, out to do things for normal people.

im not normal.....
im stupid:confused::confused::confused:
but the thing is......there no problem for people to give their opinion

im free ........
the more specific or reason into my head......
that's what i chose.....

[Ariya]

Is Nader seriously running again? LMAO.

Speaking of Nader...
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/nader

Hey Hillary! Become an hero nao. lolwut. kthxbai

[Crymson]

I'm glad. It hurts Obama's chances.

however, I do have to say, Nader is a guy who just doesn't know when to quit. He's like that guy at the party that you have to *make* leave because they just refuse to accept that there's no more booze to drink. and everyone else has gone home

[Ariya]

Nader's a goof. Even with him in, I still don't want to vote. xP

[leerock89]

ive seen so many political comics with nader in them the last few day. all of them shows him with a blank tired look on his face. i says crew all the candidates and we choose ourselves a monarchy.

[Koopaking]

I remember the Jib Jab cartoons of Bush and Kerry, they were awesome!
I wonder if they have or will do one about Hillary and Obama?

[leerock89]

yea i saw one yesterday. hilary is skiing and down comes obama in the form of a giant snowball.

[Ariya]

@leerock: Do you know how well Monarchies work? Not too well. The whole reason why the U.S. exists is because we were unhappy with monarchies. We would just be contradicting ourselves. Plus, very few monarchies exist now. :/ I think it's like 8% are in a monarchy. I can't remember.

[Zaraki]

Too early to say. Nader is back in the race, and that will help McCain. It will also help McCain if Obama wins, because he is so liberal, and McCain is a moderate Republican. Hillary has her haters, who would vote for Stalin first, but she also has just as many people who would vote for her before anybody you could come up with. Obama is very liberal, which means he will alienate the moderates and slightly left (liberal).

It will also matter who is the VP. If McCain is smart he'll pick Huckabee, as that should ease the heads of the Republicans who are far too conservative. Obama needs to pick someone more moderate to make the rest of us feel more comfortable.

I think Obama might win if it comes down to those two..i don't know i hope obama doesn't....of course i really don't like him that much even though I'm a mod-conservative but i do like him more than the two Dems.

[analogZero]

k, the health care thing (zaraki, i'm talkin to everyone, but pointing at you for mentioning canada). canada's health care put's yours to shame. It works fantastic, and in a poll throughout canada rating who the greatest canadian ever was, they voted for tommy douglas, the guy who started our health care system. you guys have a long way to go on that issue, let me tell you that.

second, if you think politicians are scum, and you haven't seen this, check out this movie:

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

conspiracy nuttery aside, it deserves a watch. And while it does faulter in many areas, and warrant serious questioning (which is exactly what they want you to do in the end) overall it bares amazing and astonishing fact. could totally make up it's own thread.

last, I'd say you're not looking at a republican win. Your government follows a pattern starting approximately around the turn of the last century. I could elaborate, but that said, you're due for a democrat.

ps. your idiots are way more fun to watch then ours.