Our President Barack Obama

[coconikki]

Ok, So Barack Obama is now our 44th president.
I would like to know everyones opinion on him,
how you think he'll be as president, should he
be president stuff like that. Everyone's ones making
a huge commotion out of it so, I wanted know what
everyone really think of him.

[suune]

I find him okay, for now. Seems like a person who knows his job. (I'm from Europe, so I don't know that much.) Some of our politicians should take an example from him and do better.

[quietchat]

He's our elected official, and it hasn't even been a week yet. There's no point in asking opinions until he's had a few months to perform his duties. Even after that, what's the point in asking opinions? The public hated George W. Bush and he was president for 8 years. The public opinion doesn't affect the president directly in any way.

[leerock89]

Ya it's a bit early to tell. He talks a good talk but does he walk the talk he talks? We'll know in about the first 100 days exactly if he's on the ball or not.

[justblazze]

i think that he is going to be the best ever

[Nightmare]

Barack obama
will he succeed
only time can tell.
haiku by Cain

[Ryuuzaki]

I hate him. Simple as that.

Barack obama
will he succeed
only time can tell.
haiku by Cain

Boooo! You suck! *throws rotten fruit*

[cutieB]

i think that he is going to be the best ever

yh i agree with you. Go Obama! :dancing:

[Koopaking]

Barack obama
will he succeed
only time can tell.
haiku by Cain

Sorry bub, Haiku fail. The pattern is 5-7-5 syllables.

Yeah like everyone else said, it really is too early to tell what kind of president Obama will turn out to be. But at least he's a young(er) guy who everyone seems to decently like, so he's got that over Bush so far. This could turn out to be an interesting term.

[Mugen]

Atleast watermelons and kool-aid will go down in price.

[analogZero]

he's good until he screws up. then you burn him and find a replacement.

[coconikki]

Ok, just to kind of clarify this a little more;
I'm not really asking about how you
feel about his actions, because of
course its to early to tell.
I'm talking about what he
has planned, how he is in general, things like that.

[atomsk]

i would like to say
everyone says "a historic barrier has been broken", there never was a barrier no one ever just tried to make it. barrack obama is not the black Jesus, he is an average man. he most likely will not perform a miracle and make the united states perfect with the swish of his magic fairy wand. he will not put an end to every bad thing on earth. he will not hand out freebies to every American. we are in for a surprise when we find out he is not godlike, but a human.

and he will be an average president. he has the riht job at the right time. if he plays his cards right he will finish what bush started and fix alot of our problems that were left over from years of lazy administrations.

only time will tell, only time will tell.
thats all i have to say for now

[Zaraki]

i think that he is going to be the best ever

if he turns out to be a black version of Regan then ya. right now to early to say he might be another Bush or Jimmy Carter, but what he has done so far in his first few days not impressed.

Ok, just to kind of clarify this a little more;
I'm not really asking about how you
feel about his actions, because of
course its to early to tell.
I'm talking about what he
has planned, how he is in general, things like that.

I didn't vote for him, and don't agree with his plans so this term will be interesting.

[coconikki]

i would like to say
everyone says "a historic barrier has been broken", there never was a barrier no one ever just tried to make it. barrack obama is not the black Jesus, he is an average man. he most likely will not perform a miracle and make the united states perfect with the swish of his magic fairy wand. he will not put an end to every bad thing on earth. he will not hand out freebies to every American. we are in for a surprise when we find out he is not godlike, but a human.

and he will be an average president. he has the riht job at the right time. if he plays his cards right he will finish what bush started and fix alot of our problems that were left over from years of lazy administrations.

only time will tell, only time will tell.
thats all i have to say for now

:scaried:Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!! Finally someone with the same perspective as me!! :cheerleader:

[analogZero]

i would like to say
everyone says "a historic barrier has been broken", there never was a barrier no one ever just tried to make it. barrack obama is not the black Jesus, he is an average man. he most likely will not perform a miracle and make the united states perfect with the swish of his magic fairy wand. he will not put an end to every bad thing on earth. he will not hand out freebies to every American. we are in for a surprise when we find out he is not godlike, but a human.

and he will be an average president. he has the riht job at the right time. if he plays his cards right he will finish what bush started and fix alot of our problems that were left over from years of lazy administrations.

only time will tell, only time will tell.
thats all i have to say for now

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[SmokedBoo]

if he plays his cards right he will finish what bush started and fix alot of our problems that were left over from years of lazy administrations.

If it is of my understanding, it is because of Bush we have an economy crisis. It is because of Bush, we are fighting a pointless war. Bush can overrule whatever the House, Senate, and/or Congress proposes or makes happen. Finishing what Bush started is not the smartest move when some Americans are already iffed about having a black president. Obama would get nothing but a beat down and a bullet.

[acelomado]

Me and, i think tyhe world hope one thing: "change"...
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[Zaraki]

If it is of my understanding, it is because of Bush we have an economy crisis. It is because of Bush, we are fighting a pointless war. Bush can overrule whatever the House, Senate, and/or Congress proposes or makes happen. Finishing what Bush started is not the smartest move when some Americans are already iffed about having a black president. Obama would get nothing but a beat down and a bullet.

believe it or not Bush didn't start this fiasco it would be Clinton who started with Fannie and Freddy Mae (look it up of you don't know what it is). he in some cases made it worse for not trying to "close down" the Mae's, and with the spending. not to mention the idiots running the companies who would spend the money on themselves rather on their company. on the radio a few days ago it was the CEO or Co (i forget the correct term) spent about 10 million or billion on himself to re-do his office by adding stuff that he doesn't need like a expensive trash can instead of using that money to get the bank going into the right direction. the guy had the nerve to ask the tax payers to help the bank. if i can find a podcast or something like that i'll post it.

if you haven't figured it out my point is we are also to blame for our wasteful spending along with the idiots in D.C. so all the blame is not on the president like what everyone says.

[strike7785]

well there isn't really much you can say about. He is here now rather you likes it or not.

[SmokedBoo]

believe it or not Bush didn't start this fiasco it would be Clinton who started with Fannie and Freddy Mae (look it up of you don't know what it is). he in some cases made it worse for not trying to "close down" the Mae's, and with the spending. not to mention the idiots running the companies who would spend the money on themselves rather on their company. on the radio a few days ago it was the CEO or Co (i forget the correct term) spent about 10 million or billion on himself to re-do his office by adding stuff that he doesn't need like a expensive trash can instead of using that money to get the bank going into the right direction. the guy had the nerve to ask the tax payers to help the bank. if i can find a podcast or something like that i'll post it.

if you haven't figured it out my point is we are also to blame for our wasteful spending along with the idiots in D.C. so all the blame is not on the president like what everyone says.

That doesn't exclude him from the war. But no matter. I hope Obama won't make the same mistakes the others did.

[Solinari]

Personally, I think that some of the idea's Obama is preaching aren't feasable. He's saying that he's going to do so many things, and yet look at how the country is and where he wants to go with it. I doubt there is a way in 4 years for him to do even a quarter of the things he said. He isn't a god, just another human with a bit more power than the rest of us common people.

[AyumiBee]

Hm I don't know how you people think of him as a resident of the USA. As I saw his pretty popular, and might be a good choice? The only thing what I know Barack means peach in hungarian (my language) :P

[Nightmare]

Sorry bub, Haiku fail. The pattern is 5-7-5 syllables.

poetry is flexible, no form of poetry has a set pattern that absolutely must be followed. haikus pattern of 5-7-5 is more a guide line than a rule.
Any hoooo, in strait talk obama my be the best president ever, or he could be the worst. that is not for us mere mortals to know until after he done doing his job.

[Viduus]

poetry is flexible, no form of poetry has a set pattern that absolutely must be followed. haikus pattern of 5-7-5 is more a guide line than a rule.
Any hoooo, in strait talk obama my be the best president ever, or he could be the worst. that is not for us mere mortals to know until after he done doing his job.He could also easily fall somewhere in between the two extremes. Either way, I'm actually looking forward to the next four years, instead of dreading it like the last 8.

[shadowfox]

Atleast watermelons and kool-aid will go down in price.

That's not funny...

[Corwin]

That's not funny...


actually it was kind of funny, totally inappropriate, somewhat racist, but it was funny.

[atomsk]

If it is of my understanding, it is because of Bush we have an economy crisis. It is because of Bush, we are fighting a pointless war.
as of current yes. but he did not start that. he was simply trying to clean up the previous messes. he just didnt do a good job see below V

believe it or not Bush didn't start this fiasco it would be Clinton who started with Fannie and Freddy Mae (look it up of you don't know what it is). he in some cases made it worse for not trying to "close down" the Mae's, and with the spending. not to mention the idiots running the companies who would spend the money on themselves rather on their company. on the radio a few days ago it was the CEO or Co (i forget the correct term) spent about 10 million or billion on himself to re-do his office by adding stuff that he doesn't need like a expensive trash can instead of using that money to get the bank going into the right direction. the guy had the nerve to ask the tax payers to help the bank. if i can find a podcast or something like that i'll post it.

if you haven't figured it out my point is we are also to blame for our wasteful spending along with the idiots in D.C. so all the blame is not on the president like what everyone says.

That doesn't exclude him from the war. But no matter. I hope Obama won't make the same mistakes the others did.

the war in afghanistan had a good point. iraq. well it was once again leftovers from bushes father this time. when they invaded kuwait bush sr. just gave them a slap on the wrist. bush kicked their asses into line. but it was pointless, however it did make accomplishments. for the first time in forever iraqis are voting. they can say what they want without getting machine gunned. they can practice their own religion. so iraq wasnt a total fail

[Zaraki]

That doesn't exclude him from the war. But no matter. I hope Obama won't make the same mistakes the others did.

in a way yes but i do believe a president has to go to congress to get permission to go to war with a country. i'm a bit rusty on that so correct me if i'm wrong. so in a way bush shouldn't have all the blame for the war if afgan either.

[Wonnetz]

u know idk y everyone is making such a big deal of a new president...i dont really care if the president dies....i only care if the president is going to lwer gas prices and other stuff so everything can b cheap like it used to back in the good old days....america is so lame why dont they just print more money and buy oil and gas from other country???america and this country is sooo lame....

[Viduus]

u know idk y everyone is making such a big deal of a new president...i dont really care if the president dies....i only care if the president is going to lwer gas prices and other stuff so everything can b cheap like it used to back in the good old days....america is so lame why dont they just print more money and buy oil and gas from other country???america and this country is sooo lame.......

I'll forgive you because you're young and don't understand basic economics. Printing more money is the worst thing any country can ever do for their economy.

[quietchat]

Besides the fact that printing money doesn't actually GIVE us more money.... and the fact that our ignorant one doesn't realize we get most of our oil from over seas.... And that it's not possible to just drop prices at will.

[leoern]

hope hes a good prez also hope he dosent get shot thatd fuck up any happiness between whites and african americans

[athrun0017]

Ya it's a bit early to tell. He talks a good talk but does he walk the talk he talks?

How did you come up with that one! nice!
Anyhow, though its way too early to tell, I do have high hopes for him and his upcoming achievments! America wanted change and they got it.. lets hope he is up for the task!

[coconikki]

hope hes a good prez also hope he dosent get shot thatd fuck up any happiness between whites and african americans

That's not necessarily true. What happens if and Asian, Mexican, Canadian, European, African American, etc. shoots him????

Oh, and someone sent me a rep comment saying to rep them back (and called me a perv, I hate you for that just so you know) . Yeah please make sure to put who you are if you rep me. Thank you!!!!

[analogZero]

Besides the fact that printing money doesn't actually GIVE us more money.... and the fact that our ignorant one doesn't realize we get most of our oil from over seas.... And that it's not possible to just drop prices at will.

That's not necessarily true. What happens if and Asian, Mexican, Canadian, European, African American, etc. shoots him????


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greetings from canada, home to the majority of oil sold to the USofA. Also, our use of firearms and sharpshooting tactics aren't all too keen.

and coco, just for the record, most Presidential assassinations/attemps were executed by americans...

[coconikki]

and coco, just for the record, most Presidential assassinations/attemps were executed by americans...

Well it's just an example!!!!

[LoveleSS75]

For me, too much high expectations on Obama. Maybe he will be the person who will start to put a few bad things back on the right way but is not that easy and ppl are not that grateful when dont see results straigh away...Time will tell!

[analogZero]

Well it's just an example!!!!

just don't mess with canada, or we'll be forced to politely ask you to stop...please.

[misk]

Personally, I think that some of the idea's Obama is preaching aren't feasable. He's saying that he's going to do so many things, and yet look at how the country is and where he wants to go with it. I doubt there is a way in 4 years for him to do even a quarter of the things he said. He isn't a god, just another human with a bit more power than the rest of us common people.
He said he's going to do so many things, but it's been only a week. The country is heading in the direction it's supposed to. I'm learning economics, and the damage that's been placed on our economy is severe, so it'll still be going downhill for about another year or longer.
and of course it's going to be as long or even longer than 4 years for him to fix the economy...look at what shape it's in. It's like saying a 300 pound man can lose 100 pound in one month.
And because he's a mortal, he'll be making mistakes during his presidency. You can't expect a human being to be that great, and he knows that. We all know that. If you weren't expecting mistakes during his presidency, then you're a person with quite an imagination. Everyone has limits, and power is always limited.

[analogZero]

I heard something not to long ago on the radio that effects and influxes to the economy can take upwards of 18 months before they show actual results. But then again, with the way things are, don't expect to be out of the fire so soon.

[coconikki]

just don't mess with canada, or we'll be forced to politely ask you to stop...please.

I never did anything to Canada!!!!
What does Canada have against me?

[brawler]

This is an interesting question, coming about 2 or so months into Barack Obama's presidency, and there are already a plethora of people calling for his impeachment.... I'm not joking either.... Well either way, still quite early to tell whether this guy was worth it or not, though I can already somewhat tell that he's knows less about economics then I do (which is odd since I have at best a working knowledge of economics....). Meh..... again, this is coming from a guy who actually believes laissez faire can actually exist....

(irrelevant note): Thread Revival :dance:.

[Beastking]

i say give him more time b4 we judge....

[Zaraki]

very wrong place to post your hello.

[Dolly]

Saying that Barack Obama is new and thus, cannot really be judged is a pretty understandable argument. But in the time that he "has" been here, he's fixed things as well as made mistakes.

What can be said is that he approaches everything with candor and frankness. What will show us of our leader is the reaction to his mistakes, not his accomplishments. From what I've seen, I'm satisfied. I only hope that he does what he promises.

[Pandora]

Apparently, he's the first president to spend the most money when comparing it to George Washington to George Bush combined. This was stated like a couple of days ago and he's only been in the seat for a month if even. Other than that, I have no problem with him but I still wouldn't have him as president if it was my choice nor would I have McCain.

[Zebro-X]

eh i don't care as long as he is better than Bush

[Tsvetkova]

I'm starting to get really iffy about him honestly. I didn't like either of our canidates but thought that he was definatly the lesser of two evils. I have more of a personal bone to pick with him though because he's already trying to give the military the shaft:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20090316/pl_usnw/the_american_legion_strongly_opposed_to_president_ s_plan_to_charge_wounded_heroes_for_treatment

http://soldiersmind.com/2009/01/07/proposed-tricare-cuts-could-cause-problems-for-military-families-and-retirees/

It angers me that we're the first ones to suffer when I'm sure that the unemplyed crackheads will get all the help and medical care they need free of charge. It's not like we don't pay for our health care (families I mean) and what happens to a soldier wounded in action, they're trying to pawn that off on private insurance companies...most soldiers don't even have private insurance. So, take a bullet and pay for it? That's real nice.

[Zaraki]

yeah he's just making my point he wasn't ready. by insulting our allies, wanting russia to talk to iran about its nuclear program, and on fox news yesterday him and the rest of liberals had a three to four days to read the rescue bill, but lied about it and signed it without reading it. now i know most of you will say something like so bush did this and that and don't care. if a republican did this people would be making it a big deal.

[Viduus]

I'm starting to get really iffy about him honestly. I didn't like either of our canidates but thought that he was definatly the lesser of two evils. I have more of a personal bone to pick with him though because he's already trying to give the military the shaft:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20090316/pl_usnw/the_american_legion_strongly_opposed_to_president_ s_plan_to_charge_wounded_heroes_for_treatment

http://soldiersmind.com/2009/01/07/proposed-tricare-cuts-could-cause-problems-for-military-families-and-retirees/

It angers me that we're the first ones to suffer when I'm sure that the unemplyed crackheads will get all the help and medical care they need free of charge. It's not like we don't pay for our health care (families I mean) and what happens to a soldier wounded in action, they're trying to pawn that off on private insurance companies...most soldiers don't even have private insurance. So, take a bullet and pay for it? That's real nice.

yeah he's just making my point he wasn't ready. by insulting our allies, wanting russia to talk to iran about its nuclear program, and on fox news yesterday him and the rest of liberals had a three to four days to read the rescue bill, but lied about it and signed it without reading it. now i know most of you will say something like so bush did this and that and don't care. if a republican did this people would be making it a big deal. The amount of reliance on misinformation and general bigotry here amuses me endlessly.

[Zaraki]

The amount of reliance on misinformation and general bigotry here amuses me endlessly.

oh really i guess cnn and msnbc never mentioned it....hmmm i wonder why. once again if a republican did that, every liberal news station would be bashing them about it.

[coconikki]

He insulted handicapped people on tv T.T

[brawler]

He insulted handicapped people on tv T.T

He already done worse than that (though that proved to some degree his insensibility).... he's beginning to make industries (such as the automobile and tobacco industries) into government ran monopolies..... :oo:.

[Zaraki]

He already done worse than that (though that proved to some degree his insensibility).... he's beginning to make industries (such as the automobile and tobacco industries) into government ran monopolies..... :oo:.
yeah slowly starting to become a socialist country. though i couldn't help myself from laughing when the NK missile launch made him and the other world leaders look like fools when it failed.

“So this is how liberty dies… with thunderous applause.”

[leshinor]

Oh come on. He was a nice guy... in Air Gear! lol

Well, I don't know a lot of things about politics in America since I am from Europe but I am interested in seeing what will he do. He is young, smart and he seems full of hope and dreams of getting America back to her feet!

[Sarmondia]

:scaried:Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!! Finally someone with the same perspective as me!! :cheerleader:

~hops on small band wagon~

[Ramrok]

im canadian and im not really into politics... but i have to say that alot of bad things happening in the US are cuz of Bush and what he left behind... all of this bad stuff is falling on Obama now... all im saying is give him some time before starting to judge, give him a chance... he has a big mess to fix, majority of which is left over from Bush.

[mellowguy]

You people are kind of creepy. I think he's doing a great job. Yeah, he has to keep making payments on bush's mistakes, but if you take a look not at the commentary but at what he's actually been doing, you can see he's starting to make progress. More importantly, we all know the world was tired with America's way of doing business under Bush. One of the most important things Obama is doing right now is showing the rest of the world that the USA isn't the arrogant pig it used to be.

[Zaraki]

You people are kind of creepy. I think he's doing a great job. Yeah, he has to keep making payments on bush's mistakes, but if you take a look not at the commentary but at what he's actually been doing, you can see he's starting to make progress. More importantly, we all know the world was tired with America's way of doing business under Bush. One of the most important things Obama is doing right now is showing the rest of the world that the USA isn't the arrogant pig it used to be.

yeah more like retards. :/ he's already spent more than bush has, or at least will spend way more. bailing out the dead beats is never the greatest idea and even though he said there will be higher taxes on the wealthy middle class will be feeling it more.

[coconikki]

You people are kind of creepy. I think he's doing a great job. Yeah, he has to keep making payments on bush's mistakes, but if you take a look not at the commentary but at what he's actually been doing, you can see he's starting to make progress. More importantly, we all know the world was tired with America's way of doing business under Bush. One of the most important things Obama is doing right now is showing the rest of the world that the USA isn't the arrogant pig it used to be.

How dare you call me creepy!!

[mellowguy]

yeah more like retards. :/ he's already spent more than bush has, or at least will spend way more. bailing out the dead beats is never the greatest idea and even though he said there will be higher taxes on the wealthy middle class will be feeling it more.

The only point I can be mutually worried about is his spending habits. Bailing out dead beats? That was Bush's idea. Look at it this way, get a guy (the banks) addicted to heroin/any incredibly addicting drug (government money). Then cut him off cold turkey. Know what happens? It's not pretty. I'd rather have a warm vegetable than a corpse. And how do you know that since there will be higher taxes on the wealthy that the middle class will feel it more? how could that possibly work? He's cutting taxes for the entire middle class. When the top 10% of the population has 86% of the income of the entire united states, you can bet that I would tax the rich more. It hasn't been this bad since the great depression, and I can only hope we can agree that we don't need another one.

[Zaraki]

The only point I can be mutually worried about is his spending habits. Bailing out dead beats? That was Bush's idea. Look at it this way, get a guy (the banks) addicted to heroin/any incredibly addicting drug (government money). Then cut him off cold turkey. Know what happens? It's not pretty. I'd rather have a warm vegetable than a corpse. And how do you know that since there will be higher taxes on the wealthy that the middle class will feel it more? how could that possibly work? He's cutting taxes for the entire middle class. When the top 10% of the population has 86% of the income of the entire united states, you can bet that I would tax the rich more. It hasn't been this bad since the great depression, and I can only hope we can agree that we don't need another one.
yeah that we don't need. it was on fox news who explained it, but i honestly forget how that was going to happen. so spreading the wealth is fine? wanted to say something else but forget now.

[runt32a]

well with how hes running things now i really dont like him i think he had the right idea in change but the way he wants to change things is not the right idea to me. improving the "health care" is a good idea but it should be improved where the people of the nation can afford it so it should be where the "health care" can make a payment where the people of the nation can afford it for the fact that the government laws and military was all created to protect the individles their property and their liberty are the three basic things that every human should till they cross the line to where having it taken away is the consquenes for the fact that nothing is free you have to fight and protect those three basic things that you are in ways born with. you are born with your freedom your liberty and your individlatiy in the USA the reason why i did not say your freedom in the first three is because in other parts of the world the people of some nations are not free like the people of the USA's nation but that is my opion so who am i really to say

[Zaraki]

The only point I can be mutually worried about is his spending habits. Bailing out dead beats? That was Bush's idea. Look at it this way, get a guy (the banks) addicted to heroin/any incredibly addicting drug (government money). Then cut him off cold turkey. Know what happens? It's not pretty. I'd rather have a warm vegetable than a corpse. And how do you know that since there will be higher taxes on the wealthy that the middle class will feel it more? how could that possibly work? He's cutting taxes for the entire middle class. When the top 10% of the population has 86% of the income of the entire united states, you can bet that I would tax the rich more. It hasn't been this bad since the great depression, and I can only hope we can agree that we don't need another one.

how do you know he won't raise taxes on everyone else as well? in order to pay for everything that he wants is going to cost a lot of money. that's going to be one hell of a tax increase on the rich in order to pay for it. now what if it comes to the point where the rich couldn't pay their taxes because of the increase? that'll possibly mean the middle-class, and lower-class will be taxed. yes bush did come up with the idea to start bail out for those who need it. hell obama lied about the stimulus package, knowing it was full of pork. he said it was to help those who need it and help creating jobs right away, which it hasn't. yes i know it'll get worse before it gets better, and his approval rating now under 50%. so far he's just proving my point and other's point that he doesn't know what he is doing. only thing we can agree on is like you said we don't need another depression. i swear to god i do not want to hear hope and change use in someone's campaign ever again.

[runt32a]

yea i know what you mean but there are some things that has to be changed i do agree with what you are saying and that we don't need another drepression the why it is called "The Great Depression" is because no one expect it to happen agian like "The Great WAr" now more known as "World War 1" if we have another Drepression its going to be called something like "The World Depression" mostly if it effects the whole world more with how income and outcome taxes would have to rise for other countries to buy our stuff and import their stuff into our country or am I wrong about that? Please do correct me if I am wrong in any way

[mellowguy]

how do you know he won't raise taxes on everyone else as well? in order to pay for everything that he wants is going to cost a lot of money. that's going to be one hell of a tax increase on the rich in order to pay for it. now what if it comes to the point where the rich couldn't pay their taxes because of the increase? that'll possibly mean the middle-class, and lower-class will be taxed. yes bush did come up with the idea to start bail out for those who need it. hell obama lied about the stimulus package, knowing it was full of pork. he said it was to help those who need it and help creating jobs right away, which it hasn't. yes i know it'll get worse before it gets better, and his approval rating now under 50%. so far he's just proving my point and other's point that he doesn't know what he is doing. only thing we can agree on is like you said we don't need another depression. i swear to god i do not want to hear hope and change use in someone's campaign ever again.

If he starts taxing the middle class and the poor, I'll cut my very real life expensive top hat into very little pieces and eat them. It will be like eating my words, except it will be my soul. I mean really, first of all, he said he wouldn't. Letting pork into a bill is one thing (and I mean to debate that point later), lying to people about taxes is quite another, and not one that he could get away with. More importantly, why would he need to? That statistic I put up here is accurate- the top 10 percent of Americans have more wealth than the bottom 86 percent. If he only taxed the top 10 percent of people, he would be taxing more than 86 percent of this nations wealth. Unless he plans on buying China, I don't think he'll need to tax poor little us.

Oh yes, the pork. I think it's a good thing. I mean, pork spending is when a congressperson sets aside money in a bill for projects in their district, right? How do those projects get done? Pork spending to one is another 50 to 100 jobs somewhere else. Pork projects help the economy in a localized area, not the country, is all. I mean, it's not like they were building a bridge in Alaska to an island with 7 people on it... exceptions do occur, but they are helpful.

[runt32a]

umm true..........

[Zaraki]

If he starts taxing the middle class and the poor, I'll cut my very real life expensive top hat into very little pieces and eat them. It will be like eating my words, except it will be my soul. I mean really, first of all, he said he wouldn't. Letting pork into a bill is one thing (and I mean to debate that point later), lying to people about taxes is quite another, and not one that he could get away with. More importantly, why would he need to? That statistic I put up here is accurate- the top 10 percent of Americans have more wealth than the bottom 86 percent. If he only taxed the top 10 percent of people, he would be taxing more than 86 percent of this nations wealth. Unless he plans on buying China, I don't think he'll need to tax poor little us.

Oh yes, the pork. I think it's a good thing. I mean, pork spending is when a congressperson sets aside money in a bill for projects in their district, right? How do those projects get done? Pork spending to one is another 50 to 100 jobs somewhere else. Pork projects help the economy in a localized area, not the country, is all. I mean, it's not like they were building a bridge in Alaska to an island with 7 people on it... exceptions do occur, but they are helpful.

yes the pork that was in the bill can create jobs, but how long will those jobs last and how many jobs would be available? i'm not saying all pork is completely bad even though there still is a reason why it's called pork. for example when they were talking about the stim package that was supposed to go dayton, ohio was a whore house. if i remember right in ohio prostitution is illegal. now what would be the point of having one if that was the case. maybe i should say how would that benefit the people of dayton? ok i know i'm starting to ramble, but trying to make a point about it even though it's a crude example.

Pork projects help the economy in a localized area, not the country, is all. if it helps the economy of that area how would it still be pork? my definition of pork money would be money going to certain projects an localized area, state, or entire country does not need. alright it could help the economy some, but could it cause a major boost? depends what it is.

now going to the tax on the wealthy something about that still rubs me off in the wrong way. 10% of wealthy americans is till a small amount of people (i could be wrong). like i said earlier that's going to be one hell of a tax increase, and when i made that comment earlier i was playing devil's advocate because of all obama's plans for the country. like the healthcare system. i do agree there needs to be some changes in it, but does it need to be socialized? i don't believe it should. what it should be i don't honestly know considering the only option i've been hearing lately is to socialize it. buying china? china already owns us and our souls, but that's another whole debate. xD

[mellowguy]

the whore house is an example of a synecdoche, of a part representing the whole- which is flawed simply because one cannot represent the whole in any system. Mistakes and exceptions happen. Also, pork is every localized project sponsored by the country- good and bad.

Hate to bring the FDR to the forums, but he was probably the lord of pork before the war- tried just about everything to get people jobs. He did okay, not really failing, but it was the war that finally hoisted us out. Now, I really don't want a big war, but the parallels are similar: Obama just needs to find a way out without WWIII.

Reforming healthcare and all the local projects are like taking out a huge loan to buy a house, or to go to college. Yeah, we're going to be in debt for 20 years now, but we have a place to live, or a chance to get a life.

[DjKuato]

he is doin alright but this health bill shit is killer

[hotlynkz]

so your saying we fall behind Canada, united kingdom because we can not come up with a health care system similar to theirs, i think not. we can handle this new change because right now you may be chastising the president but the value of the American dollar is on the rise not to mention jobs are also on the rise. I know what the president says seems difficult and it seems almost imposable for us to make those changes but i do be leave it will not bankrupt us.
so have faith i say because i president rocks :cute:

[Tyranno]

oooo wow:o.o:

[Zaraki]

so your saying we fall behind Canada, united kingdom because we can not come up with a health care system similar to theirs, i think not. we can handle this new change because right now you may be chastising the president but the value of the American dollar is on the rise not to mention jobs are also on the rise. I know what the president says seems difficult and it seems almost imposable for us to make those changes but i do be leave it will not bankrupt us.
so have faith i say because i president rocks :cute:

really? most of his plans will be costing the country a lot of cash. right now he already made the deficit worse in his first year than Bush did. don't be drinking the Kool-Aid. :usagi:

[ErlKonig01]

Unlike the 44 presidents before him, Obama is not someone who goes around trying to make himself be the center of attention. You were so used to Bush making everything about a calculated political decision, it is very frightening when someone comes along and makes YOU have to do the work for a change. Any of his policies that he creates, are made that our representatives would do what is best in our interest as a whole and the individual areas. If your congressperson has nothing to offer that helps everyone here, then you will get this mess of half-truths and wasted time and work as such. Bottom line, Obama may make the frame work for what he would like to see done, but if the workers(congress) does not do the job correctly, then all you have is a expensive and time-wasted work of nothing.