Encouraging Suicide

[SteyrAUG]

So here's something I found on gaia. Apparently some people think that if you encourage suicide and the person you encourage goes through with it that you should be considered an accessory to the crime. What do you think?






Personally I think not. In many instances encouraging suicide is like this:

Emo Kid: Imma go kill myself! :crying:
Encourager: DO IT FAGGOT ::D:

In a case like this the encourager <i>might</i> have been the last bit that pushed the emo kid over the edge, but likely the emo kid would have done it anyway. He might have been able to stop it, but might not have.

I think that finding what drove people to suicide would be a more important detail to find out. If someone is threatening suicide and they mean it then they probably had a reason behind wanting to kill themself before talking to the person who encourages them.

So this all seems pretty obvious to me, but I still ask in case I am overlooking an important element. As always try to keep things somewhat intelligent. ::D:

[jyuukai]

I don't think so because I encourage suicide all of the time. Does it make me a bad person? Maybe, do I care? Nope probably because I am one of the emo people

[quietchat]

In my opinion, if you encouraged it, you should be blamed.

If you noticed on Gaia Online, there are rules that say you can't encourage suicide. The person may or may not kill himself, but you shouldn't ad to it by telling the person to go ahead with it. You can't tell what the person was thinking if he finally does commit suicide, but it's easy to point a finger at anyone that egged him into it.

Pretty much, blame the prick, stick him/her in prison or juvie for however long, and don't argue the bullshit free speech (That doesn't work here either) if you want him/her to be released.

[kitty-kat]

I agree with quiet...if you encourage it your might as well have done it to them yourself...

[AyumiBee]

Yes, if someone would tell it me that he/she wants to commit suicide I wouldn't think even for one sec to tell him/her : Go ahead.

You can always talk with him/her what can show him/her that there are ppl out in the world who care about you even if they don't know you. Maybe they just seek attention.
On my philosophy my classmate searched about this topic and she found a webpage for ppl who want to commit suicide or have tried it and they share their ideas how can they be succesful. It's very morbid and sad in my opinion. Though I heard that some ppl met at that page and got married and they live happily. Imagine their kids-, Mom where did you met dad? On a webpage for people who want to commit suicide. Oh my god! Besides there are peolpe who just visit the site to try to help them with little percent of succesfulness.

[animex09]

I disagree. You only put the idea of suicide in their head as a solution to whatever. Its their decision to go through with it or not.

[AyumiBee]

I disagree. You only put the idea of suicide in their head as a solution to whatever. Its their decision to go through with it or not.

Those who have the thought of commiting suicide are highly emotionaly weak, depressed, instabil. So you should help them and not carlessly say things like this to them.

[animex09]

If your encouraging suicide is something I would not do but those who do it, do it. One has to love their own life enough to realize what a stupid idea it would be to kill themselves.

[Russkie]

http://questionabletopic.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/suicide.jpg

[Lince]

If someone just said "do it" as a [stupid] joke, and didn't understand they were being a dweeb, then not really. But if someone was really pushing the guy to kill himself, then hell yes. (I vote yes)

//Gaia sucks. :D

[Ryuuzaki]

http://questionabletopic.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/suicide.jpg

Aww, I wanted to put that up...

[jyuukai]

Encouraging shouldn't be considered bad. If someone tells me kill myself, it's my choice whether to do it or not. Encouragement is just a suggestion, doing it is your decision.

[nosophoros]

Being accused as an accesory simply for encouragement is stupid... what if someone tells you that he is thinking about stealing and you tell him "go ahead" and he actually steals something does that make you an accesory to theft?not really...so why is it different with suicide???the only thing in question here should be the moral values of the one doing the encouragement and not his participation in the crime(wich there is none).

[Ryuuzaki]

Encouraging shouldn't be considered bad. If someone tells me kill myself, it's my choice whether to do it or not. Encouragement is just a suggestion, doing it is your decision.

Here's my answer.

[animex09]

Encouraging shouldn't be considered bad. If someone tells me kill myself, it's my choice whether to do it or not. Encouragement is just a suggestion, doing it is your decision.

I said the exact same thing.

[Lince]

Those who have the thought of commiting suicide are highly emotionaly weak, depressed, instabil. So you should help them and not carlessly say things like this to them.

There's my response. ;P
(except the spelling is a bit off)

[SmokedBoo]

I don't think so because I encourage suicide all of the time. Does it make me a bad person? Maybe, do I care? Nope probably because I am one of the emo people

I was about to say Jyuu. I don't think you should encourage it. But you can't help it if it actually happens and you think they'll never do it. Take that guy who commited suicide over the internet, with all of his buddies and other spectators pushing him to do it. They thought he was just kidding around.

[Vakarak]

Well as the law states encouraging suicide is considered to be an accessory to the death of the deceased.

But as I see it i don't really have compassion for other people. If somebody asked me whether or not they should kill themselves I would just slap them if i liked them enough to stay around anything less and I would respond " DO IT FAGGOT ::D:

[Lince]

True, if you hate people in general you can't really be punished too harshly. xD

[amerikajin]

I can't really see encouraging suicide as something that should be done. What a lot of you do not seem to bring up is that sometimes people whose lives are really that f*cked up are trying one more time to reach out and find a reason to not kill themselves. If you turn around and shout "DO IT FAGGOT" to that person, you probably just pushed him or her over the edge. Anyway, their are also stories of people falling into the peer pressure because others have told them to commit suicide. I'm sure this law exists to prevent this, so I firmly support it.

[Ryuuzaki]

I can't really see encouraging suicide as something that should be done. What a lot of you do not seem to bring up is that sometimes people whose lives are really that f*cked up are trying one more time to reach out and find a reason to not kill themselves. If you turn around and shout "DO IT FAGGOT" to that person, you probably just pushed him or her over the edge. Anyway, their are also stories of people falling into the peer pressure because others have told them to commit suicide. I'm sure this law exists to prevent this, so I firmly support it.

You have a point that saying "Do it faggot" could push them over the edge, but not only is it no the yeller's fault that their lives are fucked up, but it's also not really their fault they got pushed over the edge by it. It's still the suicidey's choice to go and kill themselves.

[Lince]

If your standing at the edge of a cliff and someone scares/pushes you off is it your fault you fell? It's not necessarily the person's fault their life is fucked either, could just be really bad luck and whatnot.
Not a very good comparison but, so what. xD

[amerikajin]

You have a point that saying "Do it faggot" could push them over the edge, but not only is it no the yeller's fault that their lives are fucked up, but it's also not really their fault they got pushed over the edge by it. It's still the suicidey's choice to go and kill themselves.

I'm just bringing up the argument. I would never encourage suicide and don't believe anyone should, but the only way I could see it as actually assisting in a crime would be if you offered suggestions on how to do it. I just see the reason for creating that law to avoid something like that happening.

You have to look at the reason for laws. They do not exist to punish, but to protect. This law was most likely put in place for reasons similar to what I mentioned.

And Lince, if you want another example of something similar, if you kill someone by hitting them with your car, you can be convicted of vehicular manslaughter. You could just be driving the way you normally do, but if it happens to be a little over the speed limit, it can be considered reckless driving. You could even be convicted if you were to accidentally throw something, say a rock, into traffic and it causes an accident/death. You didn't want to kill someone, but an action that you took caused that death. There is a possibility that the example you gave could be considered recklessness and you could be convicted of involuntary manslaughter.

Really, as human beings, we should be trying to reach out to those on the edge to prevent them from committing suicide, not egging them on. Ya know, the whole "love your neighbor as yourself" kinda thing.

[Ryuuzaki]

If your standing at the edge of a cliff and someone scares/pushes you off is it your fault you fell? It's not necessarily the person's fault their life is fucked either, could just be really bad luck and whatnot.
Not a very good comparison but, so what. xD

You're right it's not that great of a comparison, since pushing someone or scaring them so much that they fall of is very different. The person who fell can't help they were pushed or scared off. However, even if someone had really bad luck (I mean, let's say they get pushed down/beat up every day, they're poor, they aren't smart at all, nothing goes their way), that doesn't mean shit. Hell, I know a guy who's life sucked ass for 4 years and he's still alive. No one helped, and I'm sure people told him he should go kill himself.

I probably just went rather off topic...

I'm just bringing up the argument. I would never encourage suicide and don't believe anyone should, but the only way I could see it as actually assisting in a crime would be if you offered suggestions on how to do it. I just see the reason for creating that law to avoid something like that happening.

You have to look at the reason for laws. They do not exist to punish, but to protect. This law was most likely put in place for reasons similar to what I mentioned.

Really, as human beings, we should be trying to reach out to those on the edge to prevent them from committing suicide, not egging them on. Ya know, the whole "love your neighbor as yourself" kinda thing.
Well obviously saying something like, "Oh, well go slit your neck instead of hanging yourself, it's much faster" is wrong, I'm sort of against that and all, but just telling them they should and leaving it at that I'm fine with (seeing as that was sorta the example given).

[Vakarak]

Even so why would a person want to ask somebody that shouts stuff like,'Do it faggot' for life advice? They should just go ahead and kill themselves if they're that fecked and btw i voted 'no' just thought i should make that offical.

[analogZero]

SUICIDE!!! sweet, these threads always get shut down before I can say anything...jinx.

To this particular angle on suicide, I'd say ya, it's rather despicable depending on the situation. Most of the legal cases on this matter usually involve some asshole who is pushing somebody over the edge for fun, or doctors who either feel morally obligated to end a suffering life, or to whittle away a troublesome patient, etc. a lot of ifs ands and/or buts involved, but usually the accused is a dickwipe anyway.
Now, being an accessory is a shady bit of business. If a family member escapes from prison and comes to your house, and you let him/her in out of moral obligation, the you've committed an illegality to the system. If you are present and not even knowing that someone with you has stolen something from a store (somewhat as mentioned before), you can actually be arrested too. Even in seinfeld, you may recall the final episode where they're arrested for not helping the fat guy when he got his car stolen. That 'was' and perhaps could still be an actual law in some places.

It's all well and good then? to tell someone to commit to their boastings of suicide? Well your actions are what define you and those involved, and though it may be a small or grand percentage of what it took to push that person to the brink of self annihilation, you're still responsible for that amount. There's a good chance the person offed themself because people don't give a shit and say "do it FAG!". Your impatience and intolerance just killed little timmy, and you don't feel remorseful. Take pride, you're a cunt.

Now on the other hand, ethics and morals can be a solid factor as far as I'm concerned. If somebody is physically dying, like giving a morphine shot to a dying ally on the battlefield and they're begging you to end it for them, or euthanizing a dying pet who stares at you with hopeless eyes as it suffers, then so be it. Delaying the inevitable might be a tad harsh in some cases, wouldn't it. But the emotionally damaged still have hope, whether they see it or not.

[Lince]

If your someone partly responsible for fucking up their life then tell them to kill themselves, you deserve it a lot more then they do. Comgradulations, you just killed a guy you didn't take the time to know.
But that's just my opinion; I don't really care what you guys do. I'll just never be the one to encourage them.

[Dolly]

Death is a very serious matter, one that's taken lightly by a disturbing number of people. Some may argue that just saying it to a person may not have even affected their own suicide, after all, it wasn't started by you, right?

Does it matter? If you can stop someone from thoughts about suicide, you should. Even if you consider it their own business or just something you don't want to involve yourself in, what the hell is backing it going to do for that person? Be humane.

[jyuukai]

Even so why would a person want to ask somebody that shouts stuff like,'Do it faggot' for life advice? They should just go ahead and kill themselves if they're that fecked and btw i voted 'no' just thought i should make that offical.

True. If you're a dumb enough emo to ask someone who'll tell you "Do it faggot" just go and do it anyway.

[leerock89]

Everyones going to die at any rate, whats the big fuss? Get over it and die, thats all it is.

[Unknown]

I'll just leave this here.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/Vampiric_Blood/4chan_serious_business.jpg

[BlueSano]

well in my opinion ... if some one encourages suicide he should take the blame if something actually happens...and not in all cases ..cuz some ppl would go "do it!" as a sick joke... but others may actually intend to get rid of the person with out taking the blame for it ... so it kinda depends ... but either way there should be punishment with different excutions ^^

[AyumiBee]

There's my response. ;P
(except the spelling is a bit off)
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^^' My grammar is not that good, my english teacher told me too XD But I can expres myself even if my grammar is a lil'bit incorrect.

[spirit]

If your encouraging suicide is something I would not do but those who do it, do it. One has to love their own life enough to realize what a stupid idea it would be to kill themselves.
<I am not being personal; this is addressed to anyone who wants to participate in this subject.>

Ohhhh come on! What makes you think that killing itself in order to die.. is a "stupid" idea?
Maybe "death" is the only salvation? Redemption for soul: freedom? What if "life" and "to live" is the stupid idea in spite of everything? What if life is only a "painful tiny crumb, an obstacle stuck in the eye of eternity?" What if life is a vicious ridicule.

/philosophizing

[SteyrAUG]

I'll just leave this here.

/edited by sp!r!t (sorry I had to make that image smaller - it didn't fit the window)


Who's to say he wouldn't have done this if he hadn't gone to /b/? Cho knew he was going to do what he did at V tech. The same thing goes for Harris and Klebold at Columbine. They hated life and wanted to make people pay before they finally died. If you went back in time and told them not to do it before they did it I'm not so sure they would have stopped.

<I am not being personal; this is addressed to anyone who wants to participate in this subject.>

Ohhhh come on! What makes you think that killing itself in order to die.. is a "stupid" idea?
Maybe "death" is the only salvation? Redemption for soul: freedom? What if "life" and "to live" is the stupid idea in spite of everything? What if life is only a "painful tiny crumb, an obstacle stuck in the eye of eternity?" What if life is a vicious ridicule.

/philosophizingThat's more or less my view on suicide only with less flowery speech. Still that's my main view on suicide. Obviously it's not ALWAYS the right choice. Results may vary.

well in my opinion ... if some one encourages suicide he should take the blame if something actually happens...and not in all cases ..cuz some ppl would go "do it!" as a sick joke... but others may actually intend to get rid of the person with out taking the blame for it ... so it kinda depends ... but either way there should be punishment with different excutions ^^Sometimes the dead leave behind a note or a journal describing why they hate life. I've heard that Eric Harris left behind a journal of why he hated life and why he wanted to shoot up Columbine. I haven't read the journal so I don't know if it's true or not, but from what I heard he was constantly physically and verbally abused by the other students. Supposedly he had a chest deformation that he was constantly tormented about and shit. If he was bullied then the bullys would have been much more damaging than anyone that would have said DO IT FAGGOT. Therefore I think that in cases like that the bullys should be punished rather than the guy telling him to kill himself.

inb4 He could tell a teacher. I know he could have. I don't know why he didn't. I'm just saying the bullys are worse than the guy who could have said do it.



Encouraging shouldn't be considered bad. If someone tells me kill myself, it's my choice whether to do it or not. Encouragement is just a suggestion, doing it is your decision.To be fair I don't think encouraging suicide should be smiled upon either though I think if you want to tell others you will kill yourself you should be ready to hear pleas for you to stop as well as people telling you to go for it.

Being accused as an accesory simply for encouragement is stupid... what if someone tells you that he is thinking about stealing and you tell him "go ahead" and he actually steals something does that make you an accesory to theft?not really...so why is it different with suicide???the only thing in question here should be the moral values of the one doing the encouragement and not his participation in the crime(wich there is none).That's pretty much how I feel in a nutshell.


I was about to say Jyuu. I don't think you should encourage it. But you can't help it if it actually happens and you think they'll never do it. Take that guy who commited suicide over the internet, with all of his buddies and other spectators pushing him to do it. They thought he was just kidding around.You mean like that British emo girl that killed herself to impress her emo internet friends? :dancing:


I can't really see encouraging suicide as something that should be done. What a lot of you do not seem to bring up is that sometimes people whose lives are really that f*cked up are trying one more time to reach out and find a reason to not kill themselves. If you turn around and shout "DO IT FAGGOT" to that person, you probably just pushed him or her over the edge. Anyway, their are also stories of people falling into the peer pressure because others have told them to commit suicide. I'm sure this law exists to prevent this, so I firmly support it.I don't think that suicide should even be considered a crime. Who are we to tell someone they HAVE to live? If they are suffering they should be allowed to just end it. It would be pretty funny if they started arresting suicide victims and putting them in jail though. :dancing:


Yes, if someone would tell it me that he/she wants to commit suicide I wouldn't think even for one sec to tell him/her : Go ahead.

You can always talk with him/her what can show him/her that there are ppl out in the world who care about you even if they don't know you. Maybe they just seek attention.
On my philosophy my classmate searched about this topic and she found a webpage for ppl who want to commit suicide or have tried it and they share their ideas how can they be succesful. It's very morbid and sad in my opinion. Though I heard that some ppl met at that page and got married and they live happily. Imagine their kids-, Mom where did you met dad? On a webpage for people who want to commit suicide. Oh my god! Besides there are peolpe who just visit the site to try to help them with little percent of succesfulness.http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll294/marshell76/funny/suicidehelpline.jpg
I'll just leave this here for morbid lulz.


http://questionabletopic.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/suicide.jpgpretty much



If someone just said "do it" as a [stupid] joke, and didn't understand they were being a dweeb, then not really. But if someone was really pushing the guy to kill himself, then hell yes. (I vote yes)

//Gaia sucks. :DGaia has pretty well degenerated from crap to well... something much lower. Still I met AngelKit there so I guess it's got some good to it.

[spirit]

That's more or less my view on suicide only with less flowery speech. Still that's my main view on suicide. Obviously it's not ALWAYS the right choice. Results may vary.

Errr what? I think you didn't understand it. Flowery? lol... It was "everything" but not "flowery" /sheesh

That's more or less my view on suicide I didn't even talk abut the suicide!!! lol
I was only cynical.

[SteyrAUG]

Errr what? I think you didn't understand it. Flowery? lol... It was "everything" but not "flowery" /sheesh
I didn't even talk abut the suicide!!! lol
I was only cynical.
"Maybe "death" is the only salvation? Redemption for soul: freedom? What if "life" and "to live" is the stupid idea in spite of everything? What if life is only a "painful tiny crumb, an obstacle stuck in the eye of eternity?" What if life is a vicious ridicule. " That sounds a little loaded to me. Anyway if someones life is like that then maybe suicide is an acceptable way out.

[Dolly]

<I am not being personal; this is addressed to anyone who wants to participate in this subject.>

Ohhhh come on! What makes you think that killing itself in order to die.. is a "stupid" idea?
Maybe "death" is the only salvation? Redemption for soul: freedom? What if "life" and "to live" is the stupid idea in spite of everything? What if life is only a "painful tiny crumb, an obstacle stuck in the eye of eternity?" What if life is a vicious ridicule.

/philosophizing

It is a stupid idea in the instance we're talking about. Let's face the very obvious fact, a majority of suicides aren't because life is so unbearable.
Also obviously, people's conceptions of this differ--but the extremes stay constant. And having your girlfriend dump you or your particular lack of friends or bad grades does not justify suicide. Life should be treasured, it's pessimists that make people really doubt it.
And even then, this isn't particularly relevant to the topic.